American Politics

[Thunderheart]

It's sort of jarring to see people blatantly reveling in his death, as if it rights any wrongs his policies may have caused. Even the dipshit that's currently in office had the decency to keep his mouth shut and sit in a pew to pay respects, and he's no fan of the Bush family. He even shook both of the Obama's hands, which I was sort of shocked by, given what Michelle has said recently.

I think it is more like just honoring the fact that someone who previously fought in WW2 and was a significant figure in history died more than anything else. I don't think people are forgetting what he did or didn't accomplish, more just are mourning that someone important died.
I don't want to say outright where I live, but I will say I was surrounded by a lot having to do with his funeral, and a lot of people here went out of there way to send their respects off with him, which I thought was very heartfelt and sweet

 

[xi0]

I wouldn't have expected them not to shake trumps hhand tbh. I mean, they were literally right next to him while the entirety of the world was watching.

Michelle Obama said she would never forgive Trump for what he said. Also, they were further away and there was no pleasantries exchanged between him and the Clintons. I guess it's speaks to the Obama's classiness.

I think it is more like just honoring the fact that someone who previously fought in WW2 and was a significant figure in history died more than anything else. I don't think people are forgetting what he did or didn't accomplish, more just are mourning that someone important died.

No, they are. I saw people all over Twitter literally celebrating his death due to his handling of the AIDs crisis, among other things.

 

[Thunderheart]

I just think it should have been a day of mourning the loss of a life more than thinking about what he did or didn't do in the past. It makes me sad to hear so many people complained about someone who just died.

 

[Reebi]

To be honest, I disagree with you on marijuana being harmful. There have been studies shown that using marijuana before driving, for example, does impair someone's judgement and conscious abilities. And I don't want to ban alcohol, I agree that isn't a good idea, but I don't think a drug that causes addiction in society and that can lead to a lack of cognizant abilities is needed or needs to be legalized

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I didn't like marijuana use before it even became big in the industry buisness. To me it is like vaping- everyone would say how vaping didn't cause any issues but then there has been research done that does say putting foreign substances into your lungs does lead to an increase in the likelihood of diseases and cancers. I just don't think any sort of putting something foreign into someone, especially breathing it into someone's lungs, is healthy

Weed isn’t as addicting and isn’t as dangerous as smoking tobacco. The reason is most tobacco smokers smoke multiple cigarettes a day whereas cannabis smokers may not smoke everyday.

Since weed has been legal here for about two months there have been pros and cons:

Pros:

• Boosted the economy by creating jobs and businesses.
• Tax revenue for schools, roads, and hospitals, etc.
• Eliminates the black market and keeps money away from criminals and frees up the court system for more serious offences.
• More awareness and transparency for those contacting emergency services.
• More research into cannabis for health reasons.

Cons:

• Some provinces can only purchase from a single government-operated enterprise.
• Legal weed is expensive and limited, leading people back to the black market (https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canad...cannabis-shops-doing-brisk-business-1.4179699)(https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...re-caught-up-on-cannabis-deliveries-1.4902362)
• It’s more apparent
• Users can be banned from entering the US for life (https://business.financialpost.com/...sers-investors-executives-at-canada-us-border)

There are also laws in place to keep it away from children (legal age is 18-19 in provinces) and prevent drug impaired driving. Some provinces allow smoking/vaping/eating where tobacco laws are applicable (no indoor public places, schools, playgrounds, etc) where as some allow only in residential homes. Packaging and marketing is restricted. Even our government websites (federal and provincial) have more information on the laws and science.

 

[M3J]

No, they are. I saw people all over Twitter literally celebrating his death due to his handling of the AIDs crisis, among other things.

What's wrong with that? Some of these people likely lost loved ones due to Bush Sr. fucking over AIDS and HIV positive people, while others may have suffered due to him. He seemed like a good man but a shitty president, which is why he got criticism.

 

[xi0]

What's wrong with that? Some of these people likely lost loved ones due to Bush Sr. fucking over AIDS and HIV positive people, while others may have suffered due to him. He seemed like a good man but a shitty president, which is why he got criticism.

What's wrong with reveling in a war hero's death? You serious?

He wasn't a "shitty" president IMO. He wasn't reelected because he reneged on his "No New Taxes" statement due to compromise with Dems in congress and Ross Perot took a lot of his votes away in the General Election. Criticizing a President and his policies has nothing to do with taking joy in someone's death.

 

[M3J]

He's not seen as a war hero, he's seen as a war criminal, like the four presidents who succeeded after him. That's your opinion and all, and I'll leave at that because I'm willing to bet you're better educated/knowledgeable on this than I am. Or at least, you remember more about his term than I do.

 

[z.5]

Not wanting to derail the thread too much, by talking about what feelings are 'right' or 'wrong' when dealing with another's death

What's wrong with reveling in a war hero's death? You serious?

But, to be fair, I think that the fact that if someone was a war hero or not is kinda irrelevant - either revelling in someone's death is ok, or it's not.
War heroes don't (shouldn't?) gain immunity from being considered as dicks [and their deaths celebrated] and shouldn't be treated any differently than people who didn't fight in any wars.

Also, I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing to revel, but I really can't see that most of the people who are joyous in Bush's death have any particularly strong reasons to be so.

Then again, I also get somewhat confused by all of the effusive love and respect that is being offered when any celebrity dies.

I mean, sure, he was the president of the USA (so he's a kinda important [in that he had an obvious effect on history] celebrity), but getting very upset when anyone you never knew, nor thought about (before they died) seems rather odd to me.

To me, Bush's death is the same as Stan Lee, Burt Reynolds, or Scott Wilson's deaths - I didn't know any of them personally and feel very little emotion at all towards them passing on.

 

[xi0]

But, to be fair, I think that the fact that if someone was a war hero or not is kinda irrelevant - either revelling in someone's death is ok, or it's not.
War heroes don't (shouldn't?) gain immunity from being considered as dicks [and their deaths celebrated] and shouldn't be treated any differently than people who didn't fight in any wars.

Also, I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing to revel, but I really can't see that most of the people who are joyous in Bush's death have any particularly strong reasons to be so.

That's fair, but my point was this isn't the case of some scumbag chickenhawk or spoiled-brat bullshit artist farting their way into political power etc. The guy at least knew what real sacrifice was, so regardless of your views on his politics, I don't think his character could be questioned.

Then again, I also get somewhat confused by all of the effusive love and respect that is being offered when any celebrity dies.

Oh I agree, I merely pointed out some of the gross reaction to it. It's not like I wore all black myself lol.

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He's not seen as a war hero, he's seen as a war criminal, like the four presidents who succeeded after him. That's your opinion and all, and I'll leave at that because I'm willing to bet you're better educated/knowledgeable on this than I am. Or at least, you remember more about his term than I do.

A war criminal? By whom? You know we're talking about Bush 41 right? Not Bush 43? This is the Bush who waited for UN authorization to liberate Kuwait and refused to march to Baghad because they didn't approve of it, despite many wishing him to. This is a guy who was shot down over the Pacific Ocean and could have easily been tortured, executed and his liver eaten by the Japanese, like some people he served with.

 

[M3J]

That's fair, but my point was this isn't the case of some scumbag chickenhawk or spoiled-brat bullshit artist farting their way into political power etc. The guy at least knew what real sacrifice was, so regardless of your views on his politics, I don't think his character could be questioned.


Oh I agree, I merely pointed out some of the gross reaction to it. It's not like I wore all black myself lol.

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A war criminal? By whom? You know we're talking about Bush 41 right? Not Bush 43? This is the Bush who waited for UN authorization to liberate Kuwait and refused to march to Baghad because they didn't approve of it, despite many wishing him to. This is a guy who was shot down over the Pacific Ocean and could have easily been tortured, executed and his liver eaten by the Japanese, like some people he served with.

Four presidents who succeeded after him. IF I was talking about Jr., I'd say two. Either way, he's still seen as a war criminal during his presidency, even if he was a war hero when he served.

 

[xi0]

Four presidents who succeeded after him. IF I was talking about Jr., I'd say two. Either way, he's still seen as a war criminal during his presidency, even if he was a war hero when he served.

You didn't answer my question about who sees him that way though. Ba'athists? Supporters of Noriega?

 

[Core D. Roy]

It's sort of jarring to see people blatantly reveling in his death, as if it rights any wrongs his policies may have caused. Even the dipshit that's currently in office had the decency to keep his mouth shut and sit in a pew to pay respects, and he's no fan of the Bush family. He even shook both of the Obama's hands, which I was sort of shocked by, given what Michelle has said recently.

You could tell he was just seething in anger at being coerced into doing the absolute bare minimum of public expression of respect. Being quiet and shaking hands. He was just sitting there arms folded, shoulders hitched up, pouting. Even when doing that bare minimum he still manages to look like an elderly toddler before nap time.

 

[xi0]

You could tell he was just seething in anger at being coerced into doing the absolute bare minimum of public expression of respect. Being quiet and shaking hands. He was just sitting there arms folded, shoulders hitched up, pouting. Even when doing that bare minimum he still manages to look like an elderly toddler before nap time.

I was actually pretty surprised there wasn't any drama surrounding him and the service. It's like the GOP got to him and he decided to not be a moron about it somehow. Because we all know he had nothing nice to say about the Bush family prior to him being elected.

 

[Core D. Roy]

You didn't answer my question about who sees him that way though. Ba'athists? Supporters of Noriega?

I mean it is pretty easily googleable. Way before Jr. lied about WMDs, 41 pulled some serious bullshitting of his own to get us into the first Gulf War, massacred civilians and their infrastructure to gain leverage over Saddam, and then there's Iran/Contra. The apple didn't fall very far from the tree when it comes to war crimes.

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I was actually pretty surprised there wasn't any drama surrounding him and the service. It's like the GOP got to him and he decided to not be a moron about it somehow. Because we all know he had nothing nice to say about the Bush family prior to him being elected.

"Donald it'll only be an hour. We'll have all the chicken nuggets and juice boxes and tv sets in the world for you when you get out. You can go right back to tweeting, just do this one thing for me, okay sweetie?"
-whoever in the GOP that hasn't been thrown under the bus yet

 

[M3J]

You didn't answer my question about who sees him that way though. Ba'athists? Supporters of Noriega?

People who are left and not blind to Bush's bullshit.

 

[kkck]

So, trump backed from the government shutdown... Seriously, trump needs to stop threatening democrats with government shutdowns that would hurt him politically. Doesn't he have ONE advisor that could have told him that the shutdown would hurt him, politically, than it would democrats?

And on other news, US apparently withdrawing from siria? My first impression on the headline was that that seemed like a good thing but I am not familiar enough with the conflict to know if that is the case. Any thoughts?

 

[xi0]

Doesn't he have ONE advisor that could have told him that the shutdown would hurt him, politically, than it would democrats?

He has a bunch, but they usually end up quitting

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And on other news, US apparently withdrawing from siria? My first impression on the headline was that that seemed like a good thing but I am not familiar enough with the conflict to know if that is the case. Any thoughts?

A good thing for Russia and Turkey, sure. I mean, there are still troops stationed in Iraq, so perhaps the necessity to keep troops in Syria isn't that high. But it does seem to come from nowhere.

 

[kkck]

He has a bunch, but they usually end up quitting

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A good thing for Russia and Turkey, sure. I mean, there are still troops stationed in Iraq, so perhaps the necessity to keep troops in Syria isn't that high. But it does seem to come from nowhere.

Ah, right, silly me.Of course, advisers are more punching bags than people nowadays.

Yeah, at least on what little I know on the issue it seems like a victory for Russia in that area as they get to keep their influence in Siria. Then again this is not merely a geopolitical power struggle between the US and Russia, there are lives at stake here. The US being there did not help remove Assad and it leaving does not appear to guarantee the end of the civil war either. I guess on that end we can't do much more than hoping this helps reduce the violence...

 

[M3J]

So, trump backed from the government shutdown... Seriously, trump needs to stop threatening democrats with government shutdowns that would hurt him politically. Doesn't he have ONE advisor that could have told him that the shutdown would hurt him, politically, than it would democrats?

And on other news, US apparently withdrawing from siria? My first impression on the headline was that that seemed like a good thing but I am not familiar enough with the conflict to know if that is the case. Any thoughts?

What makes you think he'd listen to his advisors? If he did that then Trump would probably in way less shit than he is now. Trump does what he does to please his supporters and make it look like he's doing something, including blaming Democrats and scapegoating them for everything. He knows that as long as he has his supporters, he's safe enough.

 

[kkck]

So, the shutdown starts.... On one hand, democrat should be ecstatic that trump is shooting himself in the foot over this. Democrats would even have pressure from their base and then some to not yield. On the other hand, both parties are ultimately controlled by their donors and they hate shutdowns so both democrats and republicans will be pressed to find a solution so to speak. Even though politically it makes more sense for democrats to just let trump keep digging... This seems like an easy win for democrats (not for government workers though) but I am afraid they just might be incompetent to cave.... On an issue where the majority of the country opposes trump.