American Politics

[kkck]

So... rather than actually take a stance and fight back against trump's attack at democracy.... biden quietly asks for money to cover something which is already covered by taxpayer dollars? No wonder wall street is ecstatic at the next 4 years of presidential inaction...

 

[M3J]

Democrats are torn between those who are against what defunding the police actually means and those who won't actually try to get their message across. Essentially, they are not on board. But that doesn't mean "Defunding the police" isn't a shit slogan. it's just an extra pile of shit on top of a turd of a slogan. Slogans are supposed to be clear and convey meaning instantly. It shouldn't require research for people to get that those behind this aren't actually trying to make the police disappear altogether (which would be stupid and indefensible). The message and slogans regarding this issue should invariably and strictly convey the message that the intention is to make the police better and make it work for everyone without needing people to do research.

Not really, they aren't torn. They know what it means, and they're just performing acts to look good.

I mean, people have been saying "Abolish the Police" instead of "Defund the Police" as well, but people are dumb.

A slogan lacking any nuance that turns off pearl-clutching white people is not going to get a "reasonable" response. There are those, like abolitionists, who truly believe in defunding the police and abolishing prisons, etc. Regardless of the reason, that's not going to be a popular thing. So of course moderates and people on the right are going to focus on this sort of thing and make it into something it isn't.

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I think the slogan itself is in response to the sense of futility seen when reform fails. There are an incredible amount of corrupt police departments in this country. They put protecting each other over serving and protecting. That is the kind of cancer that needs to be removed, but how do you do it? New policy with the same old faces? Not very likely. That's where defunding/replacing the police comes into the conversation.

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uh... yikes

I mean, I just looked it up, and Biden does not support defunding the police at all, so it is weird that people seem to think he does. There seems to be no point in arguing against this when they could just do simple research.

Especially abolishment. EVen after the protests few months ago, cops are still violent and useless, so people are using evidence to explain why abolishing cops is better.

So... rather than actually take a stance and fight back against trump's attack at democracy.... biden quietly asks for money to cover something which is already covered by taxpayer dollars? No wonder wall street is ecstatic at the next 4 years of presidential inaction...

This is why the election was close rather than Biden winning by thousands more, if not millions more. The further left see him as another corp Dem, and he just proved them correct.

But he is fighting back against Trump. Getting into war of words doesn't help anyone.

 

[xi0]

I mean, I just looked it up, and Biden does not support defunding the police at all, so it is weird that people seem to think he does. There seems to be no point in arguing against this when they could just do simple research.

Especially abolishment. EVen after the protests few months ago, cops are still violent and useless, so people are using evidence to explain why abolishing cops is better.

It doesn't matter what Biden believes, it matters what people think his party represents

Abolitionists don't limit this to just cops though. And like I said, starting the conversation with "defund the police" instantly ends the conversation with some people lol

 

[kkck]

This is why the election was close rather than Biden winning by thousands more, if not millions more. The further left see him as another corp Dem, and he just proved them correct.

But he is fighting back against Trump. Getting into war of words doesn't help anyone.

I would make the point that said war on words is important. If only to at least get a message across. It's not about being civil, it's about actually fighting for your positions and getting your message across. Biden could be doing more to get his message across, if at least only to his own party, that trump is actually trying to end democracy in the US, to steal the election. Republicans actually do this, get their bases to engage and that shifts policy, which gets them wins. In spite of the republican party being utterly unable to get a majority of people behind their president...

 

[Sanity Check]

Proof democrats are doing everything in their power to "fight" big tech.

 

[M3J]

It doesn't matter what Biden believes, it matters what people think his party represents

Abolitionists don't limit this to just cops though. And like I said, starting the conversation with "defund the police" instantly ends the conversation with some people lol

Okay, that makes sense. Biden may be against defunding, but if majority of his party supports it, then that'll rub people the wrong way.

I would make the point that said war on words is important. If only to at least get a message across. It's not about being civil, it's about actually fighting for your positions and getting your message across. Biden could be doing more to get his message across, if at least only to his own party, that trump is actually trying to end democracy in the US, to steal the election. Republicans actually do this, get their bases to engage and that shifts policy, which gets them wins. In spite of the republican party being utterly unable to get a majority of people behind their president...

Why is it important for Biden to harp on and on about something that others are already saying? Anti-Trumpers are aware of what Trump is doing, while the Trump cult are still idiotically blind and will continue to side with him. Why shouldn't Biden focus on actually coming up with good policies? Republicans don't need to do much, they can easily lie and get away with it because their bases are gullible, whereas in this case, all Biden would be doing is reiterating what others are saying. I don't remember if he's mentioned what Trump is doing, but he probably has, and he doesn't have any need to keep going.

 

[Raven]

How many people in US who didn't vote, Is there any statistics out?

 

[Sanity Check]

How many people in US who didn't vote, Is there any statistics out?

Around 150 million voted.

Out of approximately 250 million eligible voters.

"Officially".

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The area of foreign policy where Joe Biden shines is

ISIS, drug cartels and terrorists who feared Trump can come out of hiding and return to expanding their power and influence. Knowing they're safe.

Above is known.

After an Iranian nuclear scientist was killed in an apparent ambush near Tehran on Friday, former CIA Director John Brennan said that it was a "criminal act & highly reckless." He said it "risks lethal retaliation & a new round of regional conflict." Brennan said that Iranian leaders should wait until Biden is in office, and not engage with the Trump administration.

Former CIA Director Brennan's bizarre tweet condemning killing of Iranian scientist sparks criticism

Brennan asked that anyone seeking to retaliate should wait until Biden is in office, and not engage with the Trump administration.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[hokageji]

Surely Iran and USA must have better relationships. But I doubt Iran can trust the nation after backing out of the nuclear deal. Its wise to wait for Biden.


I think Biden's focus would remain on restoring the nation post covid and get everyone back on their feet.

 

[M3J]

How will Biden do that? And even if he's serious about it, unless McConnell loses power, he'll just cockblock anything that'll help Americans.

 

[hokageji]

The covid thing is the only focus the next administration will have... whether they will or won't is always a problem. I think Biden and McConnel have a better history of working together but bad boy Mitch will be a hard play no matter what.

 

[kkck]

Uff, not even Barr is supporting trump in his election fraud claims.... Welp, the thing is basically over. All that is left is a few more months of trump's "legal team" making fools of themselves.

 

[M3J]

I just hope this plunges Trump further into debt and hurts his supporters as well

 

[hokageji]

Hurts his supporters? Or do you mean reduce his support?

JK

Its a done deal, he has to walk away, there's way around it... Now it remains to see if the republicans will alienate him, which i think they may not.

 

[M3J]

Makes them lose their money and possibly go into debt, for being idiots.

I feel there's an agenda behind Trump's behavior though. Why would he spend so much time on insisting he's won and that the election is fraud?

 

[xi0]

Makes them lose their money and possibly go into debt, for being idiots.

There is no "debt" when it comes to people who have that kind of wealth (or at least in his case, "value").

 

[M3J]

Isn't it rumored that Trump is in deep debt, though? And I was also talking about the average Joe cult of his, not just the wealthy.

 

[xi0]

Isn't it rumored that Trump is in deep debt, though? And I was also talking about the average Joe cult of his, not just the wealthy.

The fact that he was able to raise more than 150 million dollars since election day shows that most of his backing isn't coming from small, individual donors.

 

[M3J]

The fact that he was able to raise more than 150 million dollars since election day shows that most of his backing isn't coming from small, individual donors.

I mean, it's not like all of it would have been raised by wealthy people and companies; small poor donors could have also contributed a bit as well.

Though I did see few people sell Trump stuff by the road, and it makes me wonder if they bought those stuff from Trump or made their own and pocketed all the money they made.

 

[Sanity Check]

Thoughts?