American Politics

[M3J]

If I remember correctly they paid it off early with an early payment penalty. Granted startups might need these kind of things to get going but big oil aren't start-ups? So not exactly apples to apples comparison.

But he still relied on them to get started, and as someone who should be supporting businesses, he should not be against subsidies.

 

[Charlie]

But he still relied on them to get started, and as someone who should be supporting businesses, he should not be against subsidies.

He is but again not an exact fair comparison to compare an established business who still receives massive subsidies to a new startup. Who paid the subsidies off with interest (despite the payback penalty) and stopped taking anymore.

 

[M3J]

He is but again not an exact fair comparison to compare an established business who still receives massive subsidies to a new startup. Who paid the subsidies off with interest (despite the payback penalty) and stopped taking anymore.

then they should make it that new startups get subsidies, not established businesses.

 

[xi0]

Elon Musk says the US should ‘get rid of all’ government subsidies

Citing the federal deficit

www.theverge.com

Elon Musk says the US should ‘get rid of all’ government subsidies

He also said the Biden infrastructure plan should get canned

It's very interesting how becoming the market leader in electric vehicles causes Musk to no longer want tax credits for anyone else selling electric vehicles because he and market research suggest Tesla may no longer need them... weird

 

[Sanity Check]

A thousand facepalms is not enough for this

This can't be real lyfe.

 

[xi0]

Why is that? He's within his rights after all~

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Ah maybe the Barstool Stooge then? Guess that would make more sense on your end perhaps.

Yeah, no fear, idk anyone with a normal amount of chromosomes that enjoys that shit

 

[Sanity Check]

Not a fan of people joking about shooting other peoples husbands/brothers/uncles/nephews/sons.

It doesn't sit right with me.

 

[xi0]

Idk, is anyone shocked by this? He made himself available to the media as soon as he was acquitted, he obviously doesn't have great judgment in the first place.

 

[kkck]

Welp, I saw a few interviews with the guy where he almost sounded like a person.... That bit in turn is perfectly aligned with the amount of stupid/pathetic I'd expect from a guy that would go play vigilante with an ar15 in the middle of a riot.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

An 18yo from the Midwest (how's that for generalizations?) comes across as a total douchebag - shocking news at 11.

It's almost as if people are imperfect, he never should have been canonized a saint, and teenagers are typically pretty dumb.

Still has very little to do with the case/right to self-defense.

vigilante

I see you're still having trouble with this word.

 

[kkck]

I see you're still having trouble with this word.

Welp. do you have a better one?

 

[M3J]

tbh Rittenhouse is further proof that as long as you have some sort of conservative views or are white, you will rarely be held accountable even after murdering two people and showing no remorse.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Welp. do you have a better one?

Yeah, not using a term that hasn't been proven to be accurate in court - and as such has no evidence to support the claim - for one.

Malign his character all you'd like, that's subjective. Facts however are facts, and he was found not to be a vigilante.

I guess you think 12 citizens made a bad judgement call.

tbh Rittenhouse is further proof that as long as you have some sort of conservative views or are white, you will rarely be held accountable even after murdering two people and showing no remorse.

This is very true - it's actually codified into law. You just aren't supposed to know. Drats.

 

[kkck]

Yeah, not using a term that hasn't been proven to be accurate in court - and as such has no evidence to support the claim - for one.

Malign his character all you'd like, that's subjective. Facts however are facts, and he was found not to be a vigilante.

I guess you think 12 citizens made a bad judgement call.

The guy and a bunch of his friends grabbed guns an went to a riot to "protect businesses". How is that not textbook vigilantism?

 

[M3J]

vig·i·lan·te
/ˌvijəˈlan(t)ē/
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noun

1. a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

Definitely a vigilante. If a BLM member did this, or anyone protesting at a white supremacy rally, they'd get charged guilty. Even if they were 100% justified.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

OK, big brains, how *exactly* did Kyle use a weapon to enforce the law of the land?



I CC'd in a store once. I'm certain someone, somewhere was stealing a pack of gum. Did I go ViGiLaNte too?

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Definitely a vigilante. If a BLM member did this, or anyone protesting at a white supremacy rally, they'd get charged guilty. Even if they were 100% justified.

Your crystal ball works better than mine. I concede defeat.

 

[kkck]

OK, big brains, how *exactly* did Kyle use a weapon to enforce the law of the land?



I CC'd in a store once. I'm certain someone, somewhere was stealing a pack of gum. Did I go ViGiLaNte too?

The guy picked a gun and went to a riot to protect businesses with friends... How is that not vigilantism? It's literally something you'd expect law enforcement to do. His abject failure to do any good there does not make him less of a vigilante....

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The guy picked a gun and went to a riot to protect businesses with friends... How is that not vigilantism? It's literally something you'd expect law enforcement to do. His abject failure to do any good there does not make him less of a vigilante....

I'll repeat myself, because this ^ is not an answer.

How... EXACTLY did he use his weapon to enforce the law?

 

[kkck]

I'll repeat myself, because this ^ is not an answer.

How... EXACTLY did he use his weapon to enforce the law?

How is it not an answer? That's absurd.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

How is it not an answer? That's absurd.

I know you're not this dense. But perhaps you are.

It's not an answer because I asked for details.

Taking a gun somewhere doesn't mean you turn into ____.

If I concealed carried into a bank and make a deposit and leave - I'm not a bank-robber.

If I CC'd in a bank that was actively being robbed (but was not a part of it) - I'm STILL not a bank-robber.

If I CC'd in a bank that was robbed incidentally and I used that weapon to defend myself - I'm not only not a bank-robber I'm not a vigilante - I'm a citizen acting in self-defense.

If a cop stopped a bank heist with a gun, because he was called there to do so, he actively used his weapon to enforce the law.




Spell it out for me. He took the gun to a protest...... AND THEN? How. EXACTLY. Did he use his weapon to 'enforce the law'? What EXACTLY did he do?


- did he go around pointing it at people he thought were out of line?
- did he make actionable threats to people burning things?
- did he fire a warning shot into the air?




Tell me what he did that was an act of vigilantism. Having a gun for self-defense purposes =/= vigilantism.