American Politics

[James Rye]

What do you all think of the NBAJ interview with Trump? I thought it was very aggressive tbh. Like fist swinging into the interview. And then the interview was cut short by his own Team. I'm not sure they wanted the Interview to go the way it did.

 

[M3J]

And I said that's factually incorrect. Biden's Israel policy was completely irrelevant to him stepping down.

You're not making any sense in response to my post. You're talking about why he stepped down, I'm talking about why certain people wanted him to step down.

 

[ninjabot]

Is Harris aware that one of the main reasons why people wanted Biden to step down is because of his Zionism and defending Israel's evil actions while doing very little to help Palestinians? Does she remember how Andrew Yang fucked his own political career up playing both sides instead of supporting Palestine? Yeesh.

No, she isn't, because no, that's not the reason. For the thousandth time, politicians don't give a shit about people that aren't going to vote.

I promise you Zionism was never mentioned anywhere when Biden dropped out of the election. It wasn't even an after thought. They literally said "You're too old to win, let alone govern" and that's it. No one, anywhere, EVER said "We need a president that's interested in the wellbeing of nations other than our own, at our own expense."

 

[M3J]

You guys keep saying that, but logic isn't making any sense. Why would they not care about losing votes? Lot of people that wasn't going to vote for Biden was going to vote for Harris, and even Biden was trying to court the left. It's this kind of thinking that lost Clinton the election. Reps don't care much because they know they already have their voter base, and they probably won't get more voters other than maybe centrists or moderates.

Why do I feel like you guys are purposely twisting what I'm saying? I'm talking about why certain people were vehemently against Biden, and you guys are talking about why Biden stepped down.

 

[ninjabot]

You guys keep saying that, but logic isn't making any sense. Why would they not care about losing votes?

You're not losing any votes if they weren't going to vote in the first place!

Lot of people that wasn't going to vote for Biden was going to vote for Harris,

Of course they were/are, but not because they thought she'd be more in line with their own Israel/Palestine beliefs. It's because she's not a cenile old man. Policy-wise she's here to appeal to Biden's voter base.

Why do I feel like you guys are purposely twisting what I'm saying? I'm talking about why certain people were vehemently against Biden, and you guys are talking about why Biden stepped down.

No, I'm not twisting anything. You said "One of the main reasons people wanted him to step down." That implies that it's a bigger problem than it was. It was not a big problem at all because none of the people that preach this rhetoric vote. The reason I brought up the mental decline is because that's a much, much bigger problem to his electability. By like, several orders of magnitude.

You preached for a year that Biden would lose the election because he's a Zionist. You're implying here that Kamala will lose because she's not sufficiently anti-Israel or pro-Palestine. I'm saying the same thing I've said since October: that normal people don't give a shit about what's happening outside of America, and they're not using that as a determining factor for who they should vote for. The only people that would happen to be young Leftists that again, do not vote. That's why she doesn't need to appeal to them. For the same reason Biden didn't need to. Because they don't matter. Fuck 'em.

Fuck 'em.

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What do you all think of the NBAJ interview with Trump? I thought it was very aggressive tbh. Like fist swinging into the interview. And then the interview was cut short by his own Team. I'm not sure they wanted the Interview to go the way it did.

It wasn't aggressive, it was defensive. It was thin-skinned and weak, and he did it because he can't handle criticism.

 

[M3J]

You're not losing any votes if they weren't going to vote in the first place!

Show me evidence that they weren't going to vote!



If Harris chooses Shapiro, then she'll likely lose. I think Shapiro is seen as a fake and is a Zionist, so he isn't popular. If Harris screws up this election like Clinton did then that'll be beyond embarrassing because by all rights, Trump's incompetent ass should not be winning regardless of his cult.

 

[ninjabot]

Show me evidence that they weren't going to vote!

That's like asking me to show you evidence that Black people won't vote for Republicans. Do historical trends not mean anything to you?

 

[Darklord#10]

What is third world? When you say immigrants, where are you thinking of?

Sudan
Iraq
Iran
Syria
Afghan
Nigeria
Lots of African countries.

 

[xi0]

Is Harris aware that one of the main reasons why people wanted Biden to step down is because of his Zionism and defending Israel's evil actions while doing very little to help Palestinians? Does she remember how Andrew Yang fucked his own political career up playing both sides instead of supporting Palestine? Yeesh.

It wasn't a main reason, people wanted him to step down because he embarrassed himself on national television and his polling numbers tanked. That and the Democratic apparatus finally accepted quietly what everyone knew for a while now.

There's a difference between being hopeful that a different candidate wouldn't be as much of a dyed in the wool Zionist as Biden is and deluding yourself into thinking it was a "main reason". She's off to a pretty terrible start in that area given her statements on protesters, but there might be some slight hope if she picks Walz instead of someone like Shapiro or Kelly.

Also Yang ended his political career by being an unabashed moron and going third party.

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Good pick, fuck Josh Shapiro

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Yeah, they're terrified

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God... it's like a greatest hits album on twitter right now...

 

[ninjabot]

I feel like everyone expected her to pick Shapiro, and the only reason she didn't is because he has skeletons that are easily exploited by the culture war MAGA crowd. Good idea to leave no glaring optics loss targets for them to attack. Plus, Walz seems to be a darling amongst the further left crowd so she can, at the very least, feign an attempt at appealing to further left voters long enough to get the few votes they have.

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Lol, well, he seems like a nice guy at least. Apparently he detailed and maintained that car himself. I know none of these pics have anything to do with his political acumen, but I think it helps to endere politicians to people and make them like them. I mean, I personally vote for policies and not people, but there are plenty of people out there who use likability as a determining factor for who they're voting for.

 

[kkck]

Hmmmm, my news feed already suggested that republicans were kinda struggling with how to attack Kamala (not sure I necessarily buy it is as bad as it has been framed) so I imagine kamala picking what seems like a likeable human being is not going to go well for them. I suppose it's unrelated to this specific election but on the off chance kamala wins I hope the US learns that elections don't have to be a 2 year long process. This shit can be done in a few months....

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"One person’s socialism is another person's neighborliness."

I have no earthly idea of what that means.

 

[ninjabot]

"One person’s socialism is another person's neighborliness."

I have no earthly idea of what that means.

It means that Conservatives think that supplying your neighbor with food or shelter out of your own pocket is socialism instead of just human empathy. It's a remark about how Conservatives get out of their supposed responsibility to their societal brethren by calling policies that help those less fortunate than us "socialism", to scare other people away from it.

 

[kkck]

Hmmm, fair I suppose? Democrats need to get of the socialism bandwagon at least. They aren't actually that and they'd be fools to want socialism anyways. And even then the word means a bunch of different things to a bunch of different people. Just yesterday I was watching a report where the honest to god framing was how in venezuela maduro turned people's neighbors into violent militants, guerrillas in all but name, more than ready to kill for the socialist cause. Clearly this isn't the context in the US but messaging wise it's awful. Almost as bad as "defunding the police" was.

 

[ninjabot]

I don't disagree with any of this.

 

[xi0]

I feel like everyone expected her to pick Shapiro, and the only reason she didn't is because he has skeletons that are easily exploited by the culture war MAGA crowd. Good idea to leave no glaring optics loss targets for them to attack. Plus, Walz seems to be a darling amongst the further left crowd so she can, at the very least, feign an attempt at appealing to further left voters long enough to get the few votes they have.

The main thing is that bringing him into her camp means she potentially has to defend his positions and record. That's a win-win either way.

Shapiro is a massive piece of shit by all accounts and there's really no guarantee him being on the ticket delivers PA in the first place. Walz was always the best pick, and absolutely shits on JD Vance as far as "middle american, normal guy" goes.

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Hmmm, fair I suppose? Democrats need to get of the socialism bandwagon at least. They aren't actually that and they'd be fools to want socialism anyways. And even then the word means a bunch of different things to a bunch of different people. Just yesterday I was watching a report where the honest to god framing was how in venezuela maduro turned people's neighbors into violent militants, guerrillas in all but name, more than ready to kill for the socialist cause. Clearly this isn't the context in the US but messaging wise it's awful. Almost as bad as "defunding the police" was.

We already have socialism, even republicans fucking love social security. The messaging and association isn't the issue here, it's people being stupid.

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I wonder if context is even necessary here....

 

[ninjabot]

BRAINBLAST

I just figured out how we win.

We ride the "They're wierd" train all the way to the white house. We need to co-opt Kendrick Lamar and have him hanging out with Kamala and Tim at like a Compton Waffle House. Kamala needs to come out to Not Like Us at the next rally. And they need to up the memery x10.

"Matt Gaetz got a wierd case, why is he around?"

Walz should stop by the Daily Show. Maybe Kamala can make an appearance on Bill Burr's podcast. And not so that they can just talk about policy, but so they can join the hosts in shitting on anyone right of center. Get gutter with it. Don't differentiate between MAGA and regular conservatives either, because the non MAGA crowd still voted for Trump even if they didn't like him.

There should be a social media account like Libs of TikTok called WIERDWATCH that just shits on wierd conservatives nonstop.

Threads should be moneyhatted into becoming Leftwing Twitter, and it should be promoted in all media, at every movie, in every restaurant as the platform you go to to escape the wierdos.

 

[xi0]

What in the fuck is he even talking about here? Walz supports Israel... but because Harris didn't pick a literal member of Hasbara, Walz is somehow the pick favored by antisemites? What sort of brain disease do these people have?

 

[ninjabot]

Van Jones isn't one of CNN's best. I remember his "Tonight Donald Trump has finally become president" gaffe. My guess is he assumed that the fact further left folks on twitter are over the moon over the Walz pick, that that means Walz is probably more aligned with their beliefs. In particular being pro-Palestine... which is easily misinterpreted as anti-semitic if you only pay attention to the most vocal people on social media.

Or Mangahelpers.

 

[kkck]

We already have socialism, even republicans fucking love social security. The messaging and association isn't the issue here, it's people being stupid.

My stance there would be that social security isn't socialism.

 

[xi0]

Van Jones isn't one of CNN's best. I remember his "Tonight Donald Trump has finally become president" gaffe. My guess is he assumed that the fact further left folks on twitter are over the moon over the Walz pick, that that means Walz is probably more aligned with their beliefs. In particular being pro-Palestine... which is easily misinterpreted as anti-semitic if you only pay attention to the most vocal people on social media.

Or Mangahelpers.

Thankfully Mark Lamont Hill isn't braindead over this issue, but I have no idea if he's on CNN anymore

Saying mostly the right things in the wake of the mess isn't enough to excite people over his stance there IMO. The reason people are excited is because it's clearly the best choice the Democrats could have made and they somehow didn't fuck it up. If you go further into electoral politics and actually examine what the other options supported it becomes even clearer. I have no idea how a Democrat could support a school voucher program in 2024 in the case of Shapiro or how Mark Kelly could get away with voting with the likes of Sinema against the PRO Act. Whether it's misguided or not, it gives hope that "better" choices can be made now.

My stance there would be that social security isn't socialism.

Why? It is 100% a socialist program and is probably the most popular government program we've ever had

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And just like that you can see how easy it is to throw all of that optimism out of the window lol

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She acts like that on stage for some reason, meanwhile......




Seems like these are unforced errors that are easily avoidable