Discussion Awakened Devil Fruits

[kkck]

A few points on your post:

I would argue your first conclusion is wrong. Not the conclusion itself but rather how you got to it. You say:

joker first analyses Luffy's gear 4th and his analysis implies it's being supported by haki rather than being solely used to enhance.
Joker proceeds to confirm this assertion by acknowledging Luffy's fairly good grasp over his ability which in other words means he doesn't have perfect control yet.

Based on this, it seems rather conclusive that only perfect control is necessary for one to awaken.

Why are you relating doflamingo's analysis of luffy's abilities to an awakening? Nothing about it is even remotely connected to an awakening and the implication so far is that luffy does not even have one.

Now, your conclusion that awakenings require the user to be skilled with the fruit in question is not wrong however we can infer it from the basic context of doflamingo's original explanation of an awakening as he specifically called it a more advanced skill.

As for whether it is permanent, I would argue it depends on the ability in question. The guards were indeed in a permanent state of awakening, or at least that seems to be the implication so far. However with doflamingo the case can easily be made that he activated his awakening. And even with zoans I would argue it is probable there is more to the awakening. The guards seemed to have reduce intelligence and never spoke a word. Chopper for instance would loose a lot more than he would gain in such a state. With that in mind it is probable there is more to zoan awakenings than merely awakening. It would make sense if there is a way for a zoan to awaken and not end up like the ID guys.

As far as luffy goes, I don't think his gears having detrimental states necessarily imply lack of mastery of his abilities. His gears are something he came up with, not a necessary step towards mastering his fruit and awakening. I would think his gears and awakening will largely be independent. Its not like there is a set number of gears he should master before being able to use an awakening. It'd be interesting if his eventual awakening allows him to diminish the side effects of his gears though.

All of that post to say awaking requires better mastery of your powers? That seems kinda moot lol.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

A few points on your post:

I would argue your first conclusion is wrong. Not the conclusion itself but rather how you got to it. You say:


Why are you relating doflamingo's analysis of luffy's abilities to an awakening? Nothing about it is even remotely connected to an awakening and the implication so far is that luffy does not even have one.

Now, your conclusion that awakenings require the user to be skilled with the fruit in question is not wrong however we can infer it from the basic context of doflamingo's original explanation of an awakening as he specifically called it a more advanced skill.

As for whether it is permanent, I would argue it depends on the ability in question. The guards were indeed in a permanent state of awakening, or at least that seems to be the implication so far. However with doflamingo the case can easily be made that he activated his awakening. And even with zoans I would argue it is probable there is more to the awakening. The guards seemed to have reduce intelligence and never spoke a word. Chopper for instance would loose a lot more than he would gain in such a state. With that in mind it is probable there is more to zoan awakenings than merely awakening. It would make sense if there is a way for a zoan to awaken and not end up like the ID guys.

As far as luffy goes, I don't think his gears having detrimental states necessarily imply lack of mastery of his abilities. His gears are something he came up with, not a necessary step towards mastering his fruit and awakening. I would think his gears and awakening will largely be independent. Its not like there is a set number of gears he should master before being able to use an awakening. It'd be interesting if his eventual awakening allows him to diminish the side effects of his gears though.

All of that post to say awaking requires better mastery of your powers? That seems kinda moot lol.

Reading Joker's analysis to me makes sense anyway:

1. He first wondered why Luffy wasn't shrinking back.
2. He realized it was because he combined his DF with haki; not to enhance or support it, but to maintain the form which makes it a requirement as for now. Enhancing would be the way he currently uses haki with Gear 2, he doesn't need haki for Gear 2 or 3; so haki is clearly being used to primarily maintain it (but it still enhances it nonetheless).
3. Joker is on the floor, analyses his DF usage and tells Luffy his control over his DF is fairly commendable.
4. Progresses on to boast about awakening and calls him a hatchling which is his way of tacitly mocking Luffy's lack of control and calling him a beginner and is most likely referring to his DF control. He even goes on to scoff at how long he can maintain gear 4th since it depends on haki and this is clearly why he decides to stay on the defensive till Luffy collapsed.

To me, I take it as solid evidence that Awakening is based entirely on perfect control over the fruit at it's initial stage before progressing to the awakened stage. The order in which his monologue progressed is not random but quite logical which is why it suggests he's implying that awakening is indeed dependant on mastery/perfect control over a fruit/ability. If you can find a better explanation, I'd be interested.

As for awakening being permanent, I think the Zoans prove that. What basis do you have to argue that it possibly doesn't? I currently see none as you provide no possible alternative or better alternative to suggest otherwise.

He also said "when the fruit/ability awakens", and that implies it's not the user that awakens, but the fruit itself.

When he stated he was an awakened DF user, there's little basis to go on to say it's an activated state like Super-Saiyan is or Bankai. For one, he didn't begin to lose stamina from using those huge attacks and in fact, he does say his abilities don't even require stamina which also implies it's not a state, but something he can do without effort.

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It's also quite clear this awakened techniques he's using is purely the power of his fruit and has no effect on his stamina, also we see he's not actually using his body to fight but the strings from his fruit which is probably why his stamina isn't depleting. He's already in a weakened state, so even this implies that this awakening that occurred is clearly not a state and is purely progression of the devil fruit itself to another stage.

As for Luffy, his gears do show how well he's learnt to use his Devil fruit. Initially Luffy had to hold on to his shoulders after stretch or punching into the distance, now he doesn't need to do that because he's learning to be more adept at controlling his fruit. Since the time skip, he's learnt to maintain G2 and G3 without little to no stress on his body; Gear 4th is clearly forced and shows the lack of control he has over his fruit if he's needing to use haki to.

The ID guards were reffered to as Children by Sadie and that may not even mean they're kids but the mucus oozing out their noses and their lack of intelligence to me implies they're possibly animals to begin with or kids. They weren't mindless at all, they just look dull; they only do what they're told to do and don't appear to be like Chopper when he went Monster Point pre-timeskip.

Marco is a Zoan, I don't expect him to become daft just because he awakens. He's the only one to use semi-transformations and if it's based on control like I've said; then look at how Chopper is able to maintain Monster point without losing his mind? I think the losing intelligence comparison is just a misinterpretation personally.

Once Chopper awakens, imo he'd be able to use his forms without the need to use his Rumble drugs and he'd probably have enhanced his forms too to be more effective since the fruit it's based on evolution. The only reason Chopper couldn't control Monster Point is because his level of control over his DF wasn't at a high level and it's getting there as we're currently seeing.

Just my opinion on this anyway, lol.

 

[kkck]

Reading Joker's analysis to me makes sense anyway:

1. He first wondered why Luffy wasn't shrinking back.
2. He realized it was because he combined his DF with haki; not to enhance or support it, but to maintain the form which makes it a requirement as for now. Enhancing would be the way he currently uses haki with Gear 2, he doesn't need haki for Gear 2 or 3; so haki is clearly being used to primarily maintain it (but it still enhances it nonetheless).
3. Joker is on the floor, analyses his DF usage and tells Luffy his control over his DF is fairly commendable.
4. Progresses on to boast about awakening and calls him a hatchling which is his way of tacitly mocking Luffy's lack of control and calling him a beginner and is most likely referring to his DF control. He even goes on to scoff at how long he can maintain gear 4th since it depends on haki and this is clearly why he decides to stay on the defensive till Luffy collapsed.

To me, I take it as solid evidence that Awakening is based entirely on perfect control over the fruit at it's initial stage before progressing to the awakened stage. The order in which his monologue progressed is not random but quite logical which is why it suggests he's implying that awakening is indeed dependant on mastery/perfect control over a fruit/ability. If you can find a better explanation, I'd be interested.

As for awakening being permanent, I think the Zoans prove that. What basis do you have to argue that it possibly doesn't? I see currently see none as you provide no possible alternative or better alternative to suggest otherwise.

He also said "when the fruit/ability awakens", and that implies it's not the user that awakens, but the fruit itself.

When he stated he was an awakened DF user, there's little basis to go on to say it's an activated state like Super-Saiyan is or Bankai. For one, he didn't begin to lose stamina from using those huge attacks and in fact, he does say his abilities don't even require stamina which also implies it's not a state, but something he can do without effort.

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It's also quite clear this awakened techniques he's using is purely the power of his fruit and has no effect on his stamina, also we see he's not actually using his body to fight but the strings from his fruit which is probably why his stamina isn't depleting. He's already in a weakened state, so even this implies that this awakening that occurred is clearly not a state and is purely progression of the devil fruit itself to another stage.

As for Luffy, his gears do show how well he's learnt to use his Devil fruit. Initially Luffy had to hold on to his shoulders after stretch or punching into the distance, now he doesn't need to do that because he's learning to be more adept at controlling his fruit. Since the time skip, he's learnt to maintain G2 and G3 without little to no stress on his body; Gear 4th is clearly forced and shows the lack of control he has over his fruit if he's needing to use haki to.

Again, I don't think your conclusion of awakening requiring absolute mastery of an ability is wrong, I just don't see how your reasoning regarding luffy's use of haki and his gear along with what doflmaingo thought is evidence of that. We know awakenings depend on skill specifically because joker almost literally says so. Which is pretty much all the evidence we need right now. The stuff before that neither adds nor takes from the point made by doflamingo.

Well, zoans are just one case, their situation does not actually proof awakenings are the same for all fruits. If all awakenings were exactly the same then stuff around them would turn into animals as well, kinda like how doflamingo turns stuff into strings. And even with doflamingo the situation is a tad weird. Doflamingo's basic ability is to make strings however his awakening turns everything around him into strings. Which he can control. It's a tad weird because he himself can't become a string so to speak. Going on about the zoans... Can you imagine people like marco, chopper, sengoku or several other characters in a state similar to the guys at ID? Not appearance wise but rather personality wise. The guys at ID were seemingly incapable of speech and displayed diminished intelligence overall. Unless the plot point here is that zoan users shouldn't aim for an awakening the implication would be that for any of these guys to use an awakening it should be distinctly different from the ones we have seen. More than, that, not all abilities are "permanently" activated to begin with. Some, if not most, are inactive unless the user specifically activates it or fulfills a condition. How would a permanent awakening work with those if to begin with the ability is not regularly active? Take venderdecken for example.

I am not saying that awakenings necessarily take up stamina or are an equivalent to bankai or SS. Such a thing wouldn't make sense with someone as worthless as vanderdecken being able to move the giant ship with his ability in spite of being fodder himself or doflamingo's birdcage whom the coloseum fighters, zoro, many strong haki users and even an admiral were unable to break. At this stage more than abilities seem like forces of nature itself

Of course luffy's gears show mastery of his devil fruit. My point was more along the lines of how it would relate towards acquiring an awakening. Its not like there is a manual regarding what steps you need to take to use your abilities or anything of the sort. With that in mind there probably isn't a fix way to use abilities and perhaps across different users abilities would be used differently. Take crocodile. He usually goes for dehydration and sandstorms with his ability but he could as easily have gone any other way about it. Say, he could have used his ability to make giant sand fists or sand waves... And it wouldn't necessarily imply he has more or less mastery of it, he just uses it differently. My point with regard to luffy would be that mastering his gears does show improve usage of his fruit but in turn it does not necessarily show mastery in a way which is relevant to an awakening. Otherwise the implication would be that without gears there wouldn't be an awakening for luffy in the future. Which means that him acquiring the awakening relied on him coming up with something as arbitrary as his gears.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Again, I don't think your conclusion of awakening requiring absolute mastery of an ability is wrong, I just don't see how your reasoning regarding luffy's use of haki and his gear along with what doflmaingo thought is evidence of that. We know awakenings depend on skill specifically because joker almost literally says so. Which is pretty much all the evidence we need right now. The stuff before that neither adds nor takes from the point made by doflamingo.

Well, zoans are just one case, their situation does not actually proof awakenings are the same for all fruits. If all awakenings were exactly the same then stuff around them would turn into animals as well, kinda like how doflamingo turns stuff into strings. And even with doflamingo the situation is a tad weird. Doflamingo's basic ability is to make strings however his awakening turns everything around him into strings. Which he can control. It's a tad weird because he himself can't become a string so to speak. Going on about the zoans... Can you imagine people like marco, chopper, sengoku or several other characters in a state similar to the guys at ID? Not appearance wise but rather personality wise. The guys at ID were seemingly incapable of speech and displayed diminished intelligence overall. Unless the plot point here is that zoan users shouldn't aim for an awakening the implication would be that for any of these guys to use an awakening it should be distinctly different from the ones we have seen. More than, that, not all abilities are "permanently" activated to begin with. Some, if not most, are inactive unless the user specifically activates it or fulfills a condition. How would a permanent awakening work with those if to begin with the ability is not regularly active? Take venderdecken for example.

I am not saying that awakenings necessarily take up stamina or are an equivalent to bankai or SS. Such a thing wouldn't make sense with someone as worthless as vanderdecken being able to move the giant ship with his ability in spite of being fodder himself or doflamingo's birdcage whom the coloseum fighters, zoro, many strong haki users and even an admiral were unable to break. At this stage more than abilities seem like forces of nature itself

Of course luffy's gears show mastery of his devil fruit. My point was more along the lines of how it would relate towards acquiring an awakening. Its not like there is a manual regarding what steps you need to take to use your abilities or anything of the sort. With that in mind there probably isn't a fix way to use abilities and perhaps across different users abilities would be used differently. Take crocodile. He usually goes for dehydration and sandstorms with his ability but he could as easily have gone any other way about it. Say, he could have used his ability to make giant sand fists or sand waves... And it wouldn't necessarily imply he has more or less mastery of it, he just uses it differently. My point with regard to luffy would be that mastering his gears does show improve usage of his fruit but in turn it does not necessarily show mastery in a way which is relevant to an awakening. Otherwise the implication would be that without gears there wouldn't be an awakening for luffy in the future. Which means that him acquiring the awakening relied on him coming up with something as arbitrary as his gears.

If Luffy could have used gear 4th without haki, he'd only have needed to use it on his fist when necessary. We see he literally used it all over his body except for his abdomen and it begs the question why since it's inefficient. We don't see Luffy cover himself in haki when in gears 2 or 3 so it really seems to be a requirement to maintain the form. I'd assume if he were able to control his ability perfectly, he wouldn't need to waste haki as excessively as he did against Joker and that would literally have guaranteed his victory against Joker had he not had to waste it so excessively based on Joker's analysis and even Law/Cavendish made mention of this waste.

I don't explicitly mean all awakenings are the same, the only thing they have in common imo is the method in how they're awakened and that's by mastering control. How the fruits awaken will be different depending on what the fruit does. I don't expect Luffy to start turning buildings into rubber just because Joker did; for Joker being able to produce more string is beneficial while it really isn't for Luffy and that's why it'd make more sense if the properties of his rubber were to be enhanced.

The way I see it, awakening just improves the things possible with a devil fruit. If Joker were able to only use 10 types of attacks before awakening his fruit; when it awakens, it has a range of 20 attacks types in total since it's able to access a greater pool of strings and variety for more advanced attacks. The awakening is affecting the fruit specifically, so just because Joker is unconscious doesn't mean his fruit loses its status as an awakened fruit or reverts to not being an awakened fruit any more.

I don't think one is always in an awakened state as the user can't awaken, just the fruit or ability can be awakened and one can't make use of their fruit while unconscious.

The ID Zoans are quite odd thinking about it, Kaku for example reverted to being a human form when unconscious and these ID Zoans don't. Even if these ID Zoans are people or animals, they should have reverted back to whatever they were. The only Zoans that can be knocked out and still retain their form are weapons (inanimiate objects) that have been given Zoan fruits like Lassoo Spandam's sword and maybe these Zoans are toys/dolls given Zoan DFs based on their clothing and appearance. I'm beginning to doubt they were actual beings to begin with as absurd as that may be, lol.

 

[EddyBob15]

Here's a crazy thought but, what if Luffy's 'Awakened' DF powers allow him to mold his body into any shape he chooses? Rubber is similar to putty after all. It's possible Luffy could give Bon Clay a run for his money as a master of disguise.

 

[Fox666]

I do expect Luffy to be able to turn his surroundings into rubber. I can think of many uses for it, including rubber weapons.

 

[McNuss]

On the awakened Zoans, I think the similarities to Choppers Monster Point are obvious. Both forms have similiar shapes and attributes including the enormous resilience boost. Also, in both forms, the owner loses consciousness. This is because the form is not an natural awakening. In Choppers case it's through the Rumble Ball, but I believe the Impel Down guards also take drugs to maintain their forms.
Why? Because I belive when you reach a natural awakening, you obviously won't lose consciousness. After the time skip Chopper doesn't lose his mind anymore, because he trained his Devil fruit to a further degree and quite likely also enhanced the Rumble Ball. This means while not truly awakened, Chopper emulates Awakening quite good.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

The Zoans in ID were awakened and they didn't affect surroundings, so that hints that not all abilities will awaken to have similar effect to Joker's awakening.

For one we know Joker's power is create and manipulate strings, it's obvious that more strings would make his attacks stronger and this directly augments his ability.

There's also strong hints that PH is as a result of Kuzan and Akainu being awakened and even they have similarities with Joker: their ability allows them to produce something to manipulate.

Based on this, it makes sense why some awakenings will have external effect and why most awakenings will just affect the ability or the user's body.

Luffy like the Zoans is more suited to enhancement to his body, so his awakening will most likely be along these lines.

If we take everything we know, it shows consistency in how awakening will affect a user:

• If the ability creates something to manipuate: it progresses to creating more of the thing through the surroundings for greater attacks.

Abilities that fit into this category

1. Sabo's Fire.
2. Monet' Snow.
3. Kuzan's Ice.
4. Akainu's Magma.
5. Joker's Strings.
6. Crocodile's Sand.
7. Smoker's Smoke.
8. Trebol's snot.
9. Magellan Venom.
10. Robin's Flowers.

Note: Only a handful of abilities fit this category which is why such awakenings are considered rare; the majority are Logia which are known to be rare while some Paramecia share this attributes.

• If the ability doesn't create something to manipulate: It progresses to make the ability stronger or the user body if that's the ability's effect.

Abilities fitting this category

1. All Zoans.
2. Literally all Paramecias too.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Isnt it a shame Mr. 5 will not live to see his bomb bomb fruit be awakened? Bombing his suroundings away with every step he takes?

 

[EddyBob15]

Isnt it a shame Mr. 5 will not live to see his bomb bomb fruit be awakened? Bombing his suroundings away with every step he takes?

Mr. 5 wasn't killed. He and Miss Valentine's Day were the ones who freed Mr. 4, Miss Merrychristmas, Lassho, and Miss Doublefinger.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I never said he was killed, i just dont think he will ever be awakened.

 

[alhatmy]

u'll see soon enough ..

Brook awakened his Devil fruit .. "No one here believes me"

& now, Usoop can use haki now & no one could imagine that !!!!!!
while different members will be star in one way of One Piece .. like luffy with his haki .. Zoro with swords .. u can imagine all of it but what about the rest

I'm sure that Brook already awakened it (already he said I awakened new sort of power in my Devil fruit"

 

[EddyBob15]

Brook awakened his Devil fruit .. "No one here believes me"

If you want to convince us, why don't you ask Oda for his next SBS?

 

[alhatmy]

well, I wish to meet ODA himself if I want to ask him.

As I said, each member is specialized in 1 area;

Luffy All 3 types of Haki
Zoro with his Swords unique style & 2 types of Haki ..
Sanji using his Leg with the same power as Devil fruit User
Franky with Lazer & unique things Vegapunk invented
Nami with the ability to sense weather !! We already saw FULL movie about this and how a Legendary Pirate was shocked !!
Robin is the only survival from O'hare - read Poneglyph - as her mother was also unique (might be part of Gold Roger crew back then)
Usopp might be master soon with his new Haki more than anyone to attack with distance @@
Chopper not sure, but he might be able to transform more than anyone in One Piece & might also be a great Doctor to cure many diseases.

& Brook with his Devil fruit ..

The time will come soon to prove my theory ^_^

 

[kkck]

well, I wish to meet ODA himself if I want to ask him.

As I said, each member is specialized in 1 area;

Luffy All 3 types of Haki
Zoro with his Swords unique style & 2 types of Haki ..
Sanji using his Leg with the same power as Devil fruit User
Franky with Lazer & unique things Vegapunk invented
Nami with the ability to sense weather !! We already saw FULL movie about this and how a Legendary Pirate was shocked !!
Robin is the only survival from O'hare - read Poneglyph - as her mother was also unique (might be part of Gold Roger crew back then)
Usopp might be master soon with his new Haki more than anyone to attack with distance @@
Chopper not sure, but he might be able to transform more than anyone in One Piece & might also be a great Doctor to cure many diseases.

& Brook with his Devil fruit ..

The time will come soon to prove my theory ^_^

A decent bit of that is factually not true.

Luffy does not specialize in the 3 types of haki. We know for a fact he specializes in conqueror's haki, oda said so in an SBS. And zoro specializes in armor haki and sanji in observation haki. Haki is a generic skill available to even the lowliest and most worthless of individuals. Its unlikely haki will be a distinguishing factor so to speak.

Sanji using his power the same as a DF user? what does that mean?

Isn't that franky as he currently is?

She can already sense weather.

Robin is the only ohara survivor. Also, raileigh made the point that no one in his crew could read poneglyphs. Though the timeframes seem to match so it is possible there was a relationship between olivia and roger at some point. Actually, that seems likely. Although she probably was more like a companion than a crewmember.

 

[EddyBob15]

Hey, I just had a thought. You know how Logias can only control the element they generate? Well, what if 'Awakened' Logia Fruits allowed one to control outside sources of their elements as well? That could mean Sabo could manipulate torches and candles, Crocodile would be master of a desert, and Blackbeard could control any darkness in his presence. What do you think? Sounds plausible?

 

[kkck]

Hey, I just had a thought. You know how Logias can only control the element they generate? Well, what if 'Awakened' Logia Fruits allowed one to control outside sources of their elements as well? That could mean Sabo could manipulate torches and candles, Crocodile would be master of a desert, and Blackbeard could control any darkness in his presence. What do you think? Sounds plausible?

As far as we have seen logia can already control their element even when it wasn't generated by themselves. IIRC ace was able to collect fire from around him (maybe it was the anime), crocodile being at a desert was sort of a plot point during the alabasta arc and IIRC enel used lightning itself to power himself up.

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To add to that ceasar was able to create air vacuums and absorbed the shinokuni to strengthen himself.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

As far as we have seen logia can already control their element even when it wasn't generated by themselves. IIRC ace was able to collect fire from around him (maybe it was the anime), crocodile being at a desert was sort of a plot point during the alabasta arc and IIRC enel used lightning itself to power himself up.

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To add to that ceasar was able to create air vacuums and absorbed the shinokuni to strengthen himself.

There's limitation to how they can manipulate elements not produced from their powers or they'd be launching a lot of long-ranged attacks.

 

[mioluva]

Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

Nah, alhatmy. What brook did is called Hypnotism. Just like what Jango does. You don't do anything to their souls, you just mess up their brain and they will see what brook wants them to see.

Maybe awakening works in different ways when it comes to paramecia.

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I'm thinking too that Brook is a good candidate for the awakening, but for me it's only close to achieve it. Same for Akainu and Aokiji, and also Robin and Whitebeard, who can use their paramecia powers not only on their body.
Ok, the fuit allows Robin to grow extra body parts, but normally you can't imbue objects and people with your DF power and use it.

I think that the awakening of a Devil Fruit has something to do with knowledge and experience.
One DF user who wants to awaken his power may need to know what Devil Fruits are, this intel will give him the best chances to learn what is the true nature of his DF power, then he'll need to know himself and get so much experience in using that specific power that... this will finally make him able to "hack" his body and his own power to make it reach its fullest extent. Nothing more than Luffy is already doing, but on a whole different scale.

Maybe "awakening" a DF has different effects for every power, or maybe the awakening is the same thing for all, but produces different effects for every DF class.

Let's make the hypothesis that "awakening" can also enable one to extend his true power outside of his body.

Paramecia: This type of fruit will give you superhuman abilities.

Logia: this one will permanently "change" your body into an element.

Zoan: this fruit will enable you to change into an animal with various degree of hybridization, like if every single time you transform into one of the three basic forms... your body is the result of a variable amount of your ancestors doing or not doing dirty things with that specific animal.

But this does not describe the Awakened Zoans we saw in Impel Down, at all.
We never saw them extending their powers outside of their bodies, turning walls and people into animal flesh and ordering them around like they're their pack leader or something.
But they're mindless beasts, so maybe they're failed experiments, maybe they're not even made by government, but they're in there as ex-prisoners became useful tools.

Lastly, in OP we saw some examples of "powers that manifest themselves in extended areas", to me the extent of this phenomenon depends only on strenght. It doesn't matter if it's Haoshoku Haki, "Room", "Birdcage", or the effects of a Logia Power. Strenght = area.

Awakening for Zoans likely is just reaching monster point. Except for Sengoku ,who ate a variation of the human-human fruit, since he's already human.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Awakened Zoans are not mindless creature
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There's a misconception that's been perpetuated that Zoans lose control of their mind as a result of being awakened because most interpret the scenes of the Awakend Zoans in Impel-down's fight as their going on a rampage.

Note: The picture above shows a contrast between the Awakened Zoans and Monster-point Chopper. ​

If the Impel-down Zoans are mindless:

1. They wouldn't be idly stood by Sadie, they'd be out of control.
2. We never even see the Awakened Zoans attack their own allies while Monster-point Chopper did.
3. They're clearly capable of following orders while Chopper is not.
4. One of the main reasons they're deemed as mindless is because they fight aggressively, but that's just their style of combat.
5. They wouldn't be able to fight with Weapons adeptly if they were just mindless creatures.
6. They wouldn't have specific job roles. Minotaurus beats up inmates in their cells and calmly leaves, not something a "mindless" creature does.
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   Monster-point Chopper pre-timeskip would never have been able to behave like this since he is indeed mindless and feral.
7. They're even capable of eating out of bowls, mindless creatures couldn't do that.
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What's the point I'm trying to make here?:

Simply that there's no correlation between being an out of control Zoan (like Monster-point Chopper pre-timeskip) and being awakened. If that were remotely true:

1. It's contradicted by the fact that Chopper only needs 1 rumble ball, not 3 to transform into Monster-point while he's now able to access some "Points" that required rumble balls before without their aid now.

It ultimately shows that Chopper's rampage was due to his inability to control his abilities as well as he is now (post-timeskip).

How Awakening will affect Chopper​

Chopper's devil fruit is one of the most complex fruits to understand due to it's name; it's called the Hito-Hito no Mi which translated into english is known as Human Human fruit, and is why people believe the point of Chopper's DF is to make him closer to being as human as possible.

However, I'll elaborate on why this is wrong, the name of the fruit is a bit of a misnomer (wrongly designated name for it's purpose) and this isn't the first time Oda has done this; Blackbeard's fruit is called the Yami Yami no Mi which is trnaslated into Darkness Darkness fruit, yet it acts like a Blackhole.

Due to this, I believe one should take the names of fruits with a pinch of salt and focus on what it does in order to gain a good understanding or hint of how said devil fruit works.

Lastly, let's be honest, Chopper looks nothing like a human; just look at how his Reindeer point changed in the 2 years timeskip:

1. He has bigger horns.
2. Bigger tail.
3. Claws when he previously had something closer to hands.

Yes, he's standing on 2 legs, but he's still very much an animal looking form with anthropomorphic qualities.

However, can we say his "Horn Point" has not improved?

We can't because it clearly has and even Chopper himself confirms he's improved, so who are we to say otherwise? With that said, I'll continue on with Chopper's devil fruit. With that said, I'll like the focus to be on what about Chopper has improved and how that helps us understand what exactly his ability is.

What Chopper's devil fruit does despite the name

Well, as I pointed out earlier with Chopper's Horn-point, it's improved despite not looking anymore human. What is evident is that the features that accompany Chopper's new and improved Horn point since the time skip is:

1. With Bigger horns, he's horn is more formidable and much stronger.
2. He now walks on 2 feet which means he can move while using his hand as a weapon.
3. With his tail, it allows him to maintain balance.
4. An upright spine to support his huge horn and also to help him walk upright.

Clearly, his fruit has improved his previous forms, but how exactly did they improve them?

The reason why Oda named this fruit the Human Human fruit is because Human's greatest fit is that we improved, or in other words, we evolved. Chopper's fruit is based on evolution which is what Chopper has been exhibited through the obsevable changes that have occured in Chopper's Horn point.

Evolution:

Evolution occurs through a process called natural selection which is basically mutations that randomly occur which helps a species to survive in its environment. Sometimes, these mutations are good and some are bad; if these mutations are suited for the environment, these mutations help that specie to thrive.

Reindeer Evolution:

It's important to notice that the Human fruit is based on evolution as previously stated, we once started off as primate and overtime, we became what we are today though evolution. Chopper's forms have since (the time-skip) changed and become more complex and effective for the desired purpose; for him, his evolution makes his points stronger and more effective.

Monster Point:

Monster point is the pinnacle of his abilities, it's simply a merge of all his points into 1.

Awakening:

As I've stated in my analysis on awakening, it's a power that's attained only when absolute control over an ability is exercised or simply mastery over an ability. Mastering the ability awakens the devil fruit and Chopper mastering his ability would very likely evolve all his points to their highest states which essentially means even his Monster point would look a lot more refined than it currently is.