Discussion Best Wano Upgrade?

What was the best Wano Upgrade?

  • Enma (Haki control/output)

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • Avanced CoA (advanced damage output)

    Votes: 21 60.0%
  • Raidsuit (invisibility, durability, speed)

    Votes: 7 20.0%

  • Total voters
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I hate that Raidsuit is winning, must be all Zoro fans.
Zoro fans what Sanji's Power Up to win? Lol
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lol, thats not what the poll says... its an upgrade poll
It is, but invisibility as most part. Not like others that give him new attack power. His attacks and power are still his own. He isn't desperate on use if it for fighting as shown with Drake X.
 

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Zoro fans what Sanji's Power Up to win? Lol
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yea, cos its a bad powerup for Sanji, but maybe its just me who feels that way.
 

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yea, cos its a bad powerup for Sanji, but maybe its just me who feels that way.
It's the best power up Sanji could have ever asked for.

It is literally his dream to be invisible. You cant ask for a better PU for him lol
 

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Alright, its not Zoro fans, its Sanji fans except one who voted for....

Either ways, i think Luffy's haki upgrade is the best so far.
 

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The problem I think is that people dont seem to realize how it is an upgrade for Zoro. Either because they are to stubborn to realize it is an upgrade or they just genuinely dont unstand how it is an upgrade.

Is is a tool in which Zoro can work on upgrading his haki wether is is with control or output of CoA.

In the end, Zoro will become stronger by wielding Enma and if he gets Shunsui back he will be that much more powerful.
Yes I think so. That said, I'm all good with people seeing it differently.

It's a fast track for Zoro, no different from Luffy meeting Katakuri and Hyogoro. Zoro and Luffy needed this chance - but they also have the innate ability to take the chance. That is how I see it anyway.
 

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Lol I voted RS even though Zoro is my favorite OP character...this isn't about Zoro vs Sanji. It is about what absolutely makes sense. The point is even without Enma Zoro is training his Haki. He will be training his Haki for the rest of his fighting life. With or without Enma. But Sanji...he was so mad he didn't get the invisibility fruit suke suke no mi? I forget what it was called. But no matter how ninja you are you cannot train to become fully invisible. By extension, ACoA can be trained for too. A lot of this crap is just working hard to get your gains but the RS literally provides a skill that is near impossible to acquire. And to top it off it raises all your stats too. It's almost cheating lol. The Raid Suit still has my vote.

Oh yeah, it is probably important to point out that even with a Raid Suit it will not make sense for Sanji to not still hone his haki. In fact I can see him using the Raid Suit to increase his CoO. Like cetacean echolocation or something. See the image. Feel the image. Guess we will see in future fights.
 
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I like Luffy's advanced armament the most out of the three. It is also the only one that required real effort and training to achieve, not a fan of instant power ups.
 

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The better upgrade in my opinion is RS. Like @TitaniumOxide said, it provides a great ability and it can increase the Strength, Durability, Mobility... It’s a well round upgrade. But it’s not a Haki upgrade and in New World Haki is essencial. Katakuri especially is CoO and is CoA still monstrous strong. It and the fact Sanji didn’t need to train to reach this, my vote is for Luffy
 

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Alright, its not Zoro fans, its Sanji fans except one who voted for....

Either ways, i think Luffy's haki upgrade is the best so far.
Luffy's upgrade hasn't been framed in the right spotlight yet imo. I think it'll be tremendously more well recieved once Kaido gets one in the face.
 

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the only upgrade here is the RS, since unlike haki which you have to work on to improve the RS took Sanji from being someone irrelevant vs Yonko hierarchy to being able to fight equally vs P1, not only did it boost his durability, it boosted his mobility, attack power and even gave him a special ability to boot.
Luffy and Zoro training haki is really not an upgrade!
 

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the only upgrade here is the RS, since unlike haki which you have to work on to improve the RS took Sanji from being someone irrelevant vs Yonko hierarchy to being able to fight equally vs P1, not only did it boost his durability, it boosted his mobility, attack power and even gave him a special ability to boot.
Luffy and Zoro training haki is really not an upgrade!
Yes they are.

If you dont see them as such, you dont need to bother yourself with discussing it on this thread.
 

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Lol I voted RS even though Zoro is my favorite OP character...this isn't about Zoro vs Sanji. It is about what absolutely makes sense. The point is even without Enma Zoro is training his Haki. He will be training his Haki for the rest of his fighting life. With or without Enma. But Sanji...he was so mad he didn't get the invisibility fruit suke suke no mi? I forget what it was called. But no matter how ninja you are you cannot train to become fully invisible. By extension, ACoA can be trained for too. A lot of this crap is just working hard to get your gains but the RS literally provides a skill that is near impossible to acquire. And to top it off it raises all your stats too. It's almost cheating lol. The Raid Suit still has my vote.

Oh yeah, it is probably important to point out that even with a Raid Suit it will not make sense for Sanji to not still hone his haki. In fact I can see him using the Raid Suit to increase his CoO. Like cetacean echolocation or something. See the image. Feel the image. Guess we will see in future fights.
There you go, you proved my point..... :D JK...
But thats exactlu why i am biased against the RS. I am not gonna debate that its not an upgrade, cos it surely is. But its not a well suited upgrade for Sanji, simple because hating his family has also shaped his character, and suddenly accepting tech from them does dilute it.

I am not sure how will RS upgrade his CoO.... We've already seen Sanji show immense skills at using CoO, more than Zoro and Luffy, pre Katakuri battle.

Sanji's persona is already one of a handicap, in the sense that he only uses his legs for a fight. I am convinced now that RS is the only upgrade Oda will give him and i dont even see Sanji giving it off to others, like maybe Nami. Thats not happening. But if Jinbei is gonna join and Sanji needs to be in the top 3, this could be the fastest way unfortunately.
 

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I will still argue against the raid suit in general. The raid suit for all its perks is just that, a suit. Meanwhile the upgrades for zoro and luffy represent actual permanent increases in skill. As in, once zoro masters controlling haki with enma he will still have that haki upgrade even without enma. Meanwhile sanji will remain entirely reliant on that specific suit and stuck with what appears to be third rate haki skills outside his observation haki. Oda limiting sanji's upgrade to the suit meanwhile zoro and luffy are getting actual skill upgrades is a huge disservice to sanji as character. At the moment I have no hope at all that sanji will fight one of kaido's executives and win.... Not even against the weakest one.
 

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I will still argue against the raid suit in general. The raid suit for all its perks is just that, a suit. Meanwhile the upgrades for zoro and luffy represent actual permanent increases in skill. As in, once zoro masters controlling haki with enma he will still have that haki upgrade even without enma. Meanwhile sanji will remain entirely reliant on that specific suit and stuck with what appears to be third rate haki skills outside his observation haki. Oda limiting sanji's upgrade to the suit meanwhile zoro and luffy are getting actual skill upgrades is a huge disservice to sanji as character. At the moment I have no hope at all that sanji will fight one of kaido's executives and win.... Not even against the weakest one.
It's only a disservice if you chose to see it that way. In every way it actually compliments Sanji's already established abilities. Leaves room for Sanji to infuse the suit with CoA for even greater durability or combine his invisibility with CoO. Even both. His suit is fire resistant so if he can somehow increase the heat of his Diable Jamble because of it?

So many possibilities.

Every single strawhat has an item that complements their fighting style BUT Sanji

Luffy = DF
Robin =DF
Zoro = Swords
Ussop = Slingshot
Chopper = Rumble balls
Brooks = DF/Sword combo
Franky = Modifications
Nami = Climatact
Jinbe= Fishman Karate

Oda is finally evening the playing field and many are choosing to ignore it. The suit compliments his fighting style without completely changing his character.

I can 100% see Sanji defeating Jack or Queen if certain conditions require it.

On top of the suit we haven't Seen Sanji go all out in a 1 on 1 fight nor have we seen his "Hell Memories" or his 99 Okama recipies

Sanji's capabilities are still very much a mystery
 

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It's only a disservice if you chose to see it that way. In every way it actually compliments Sanji's already established abilities. Leaves room for Sanji to infuse the suit with CoA for even greater durability or combine his invisibility with CoO. Even both. His suit is fire resistant so if he can somehow increase the heat of his Diable Jamble because of it?

So many possibilities.

Every single strawhat has an item that complements their fighting style BUT Sanji

Luffy = DF
Robin =DF
Zoro = Swords
Ussop = Slingshot
Chopper = Rumble balls
Brooks = DF/Sword combo
Franky = Modifications
Nami = Climatact
Jinbe= Fishman Karate

Oda is finally evening the playing field and many are choosing to ignore it. The suit compliments his fighting style without completely changing his character.

I can 100% see Sanji defeating Jack or Queen if certain conditions require it.

On top of the suit we haven't Seen Sanji go all out in a 1 on 1 fight nor have we seen his "Hell Memories" or his 99 Okama recipies

Sanji's capabilities are still very much a mystery
I am not saying the suit doesn't synergizes with sanji. That much is a given. But the case remains that while luffy and zoro are getting meaningful skill upgrades sanji remains entirely subpar. Haki is at the core of combat in OP and sanji barely seems adequate at it. If sanji fights queen now, suit and all, he will be basically an annoying mosquito. I doubt he could even defeat oven or daifuku, let alone kaido's second strongest crewmember.
 

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I am not saying the suit doesn't synergizes with sanji. That much is a given. But the case remains that while luffy and zoro are getting meaningful skill upgrades sanji remains entirely subpar. Haki is at the core of combat in OP and sanji barely seems adequate at it. If sanji fights queen now, suit and all, he will be basically an annoying mosquito. I doubt he could even defeat oven or daifuku, let alone kaido's second strongest crewmember.
In your opinion its subpar. But with the facts laid out it's a very impressive.

In all likelihood Sanji no-diffed Page 1, unless you need to be spoon feed an actual panel the implication is that Sanji dealt with one of the six strongest headliners of which XDrake is a part of... Sanji's as of yet to see strength is between the Flying 6 and All Stars

The gap between Flying Six and All Stars is huge, but to say Sanji doesnt even have a chance is just factually wrong. He is somewhere in the middle and my guess is that he's closer to an All Star than the Weakest(who ever it may be) of the Flying 6. We will definitely have to wait and see what modifications Franky and Ussop made to it.

That being said, Sanji's shows against NW Veterans have been pretty sold against Oven, Daifuku, X Drake and those were simply clashes... he even clashed with a Yonko with Luffy's help and managed to counter her punch.
 

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In your opinion its subpar. But with the facts laid out it's a very impressive.

In all likelihood Sanji no-diffed Page 1, unless you need to be spoon feed an actual panel the implication is that Sanji dealt with one of the six strongest headliners of which XDrake is a part of... Sanji's as of yet to see strength is between the Flying 6 and All Stars

The gap between Flying Six and All Stars is huge, but to say Sanji doesnt even have a chance is just factually wrong. He is somewhere in the middle and my guess is that he's closer to an All Star than the Weakest(who ever it may be) of the Flying 6. We will definitely have to wait and see what modifications Franky and Ussop made to it.

That being said, Sanji's shows against NW Veterans have been pretty sold against Oven, Daifuku, X Drake and those were simply clashes... he even clashed with a Yonko with Luffy's help and managed to counter her punch.
Well, yeah, of course it's my opinion. That's not really a point. I am not saying the suit isn't an upgrade. just that zoro and luffy are getting meaningful skill upgrades meanwhile sanji gets a measly suit. imagine that zoro's "upgrade" right now was just enma and it didn't have the haki thing. It'd still be a nice sword but would be lackluster compared to an actual skill upgrade. Dunno what you are basing sanji being that good. Realistically speaking any of the all stars would be able to wreck freaking doflamingo, someone whom sanji was not even able to touch back in dressrosa. It's just nonsense that a raid suit would suddenly give sanji a chance against a freaking all star when even during the WCI arc he struggled against big mom's executives. Add to that the simple fact that the only fight sanji might have won since fishman island was against page one, someone who doesn't seem important enough for sanji to need a raid suit against anyways. haki is the core of combat in the new world for the vast majority of fighters, even above devil fruits and specially for those who don't have devil fruits. There are no replacements or alternatives to haki. "compensating" for haki just means you are weak. Sanji needs actual haki improvements, desperately at that. Just look at what haki improvements have done for luffy so far. increasing his skill in it allowed luffy to overcome the apparently substantial gap between him and katakuri and now his current upgrade is apparently meant for him to be able to hold his ground against kaido. Heck, with the type of haki luffy learned even hyogoro resisted a big mom attack. Zoro in turn had already mastered extending haki beyond his body and is apparently taking things a step further now (though its unclear what type of boost enma will provide to zoro's haki). Suit is nice and all but without actual skill behind it its meaningless. He is no different from logia who think their abilities make them invincible.
 

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I'm basing Sanji being that good on the information from the manga. He's stronger than a member of the Flying Six but for sure not at Yonko First Commander level.

Your idea of a "meaningful" power up seems a little one sided. One of his dreams was the Invisibility DF, his fighting style relies on High speed strikes and particularly decent CoO. The suit amplifies those already established abilities on top of durability.

You idea of anyone "compensating" for haki means they are weak is just odd considering its Kaido's scales and not his haki make him as invincible as he seems. All that matters is that your haki is strong enough to hurt your opponents. Luffy vs Katakuri proves this. Katakuri had superior CoA and Luffy could still hurt him badly.

Sanji's Raid Suit brings a dynamic in future battles that we are in desperately need of.
 
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