He was also immune to ice lol. Gray beat Silver fair and square.
Yeah, good. He wasn't going to win, but he didn't get destroyed. Better than I see someone like Tempester doing, or even Kyoka. Natsu was doing pretty damn well against Tempester as I recall.
Silver isnt more than twice as strong as Tempester in every stat. Tempester's HP, Defense and Speed are all fairly close to Silver's, which is why he could endure Natsu's attacks so well. At best you could say that Silver would do a lot more damage to Natsu than Tempester did, which doesn't really matter since Tempester's offense couldn't put Natsu down, not surprising considering Natsu was tanking shit from Mard Geer, who hits harder than Silver and Tempester combined.
No he cant. Silver caught Natsu off guard, surprise attacks work %90 of the time. No one in Tartaros was strong enough to oneshot Natsu, including Mard Geer. Why does Gray saying he's powerful matter? Gray thought Sting was powerful.
No, you have nothing to prove SIlver is Jura level. Bluenote's performance, clashing with a pissed off Gildarts, means as much or more than a comment Makarov made based on Jura's strongest attack.
Nah, Bluenote did significantly better against Gildarts than Tartaros Natsu. Tartaros Natsu still thinks its a biig deal just to push Gildarts back. Comparing Bluenote to Tartaros Natsu is ridiculous.
How did Gray beat Silver fair and square when Silver let off Gray many times and allowed him to stand again ? If you're fighting with me , and you're down and I have the opportunity to hit you , I will. If I don't that means I'm not fighting seriously. Silver was Gray's counter sure , but I'm pointing out that you can't say Silver didn't go easy on Gray. It may be an unfair fight for Gray , but Silver DID go easy on him.
Again , remember Natsu had an extreme difficulty battle against Jackal. So we know how he will fare if he and some other demon were to battle till death. Natsu defeated Jackal extreme difficulty. We know Mard was toying with Natsu first before Gray arrived. He started fighting seriously when he went into his etherious form. And again , as I said , we don't know how long will Natsu last unless we do a battle till death. Silver is stronger than Jackal.
Even if you want to apply another logic , then well. Silver's attack and defense and health are even higher than Kyouka , who was dominating Erza throughout their fight. Erza needed PIS powerup to compete with her , Kyouka was destroying Erza otherwise. And during that time , Erza was stronger than Natsu. So it makes sense Silver can defeat Natsu too.
Silver is Jura level because he is slightly above Kyouka , who was destroying Erza without PiS. I consider that Laxus level.
Simply clashing fists two times with Gildarts doesn't make Bluenote Gildarts/Jura level. We know Gildarts still hadn't used his serious attack , because that was the attack which oneshotted Bluenote in the end. Makarov saw Jura's strongest attack , and realised that compares to Gildarts' strongest attack. The attack which Gildarts used at the end might be his strongest or might not be ( imo it wasn't ), but we know that if Jura uses his strongest attack against Bluenote it will put him out of commission. The precise fact that Gildarts oneshotted Bluenote means Bluenote can't withstand Gildarts' stronger attacks. And I see Laxus and Natsu in a similar predicament. Natsu might be able to fight with Laxus normally , but if he uses his stronger attacks , Natsu will lose. So Bluenote = GMG/ Tartaros Natsu.
Natsu confronted Gildarts sometime before the Alvarez arc , because he wanted to see how strong he had become after his training. Gildarts was also fully healed from his injuried from Acnologia by then. So no , that's Alvarez Gildarts.
Comparing Tartaros Natsu to Bluenote is perfectly fine because you don't understand the power creep between the 7 years. And you guys unnecessarily inflate the 1 year timeskip and forget about the 7 year timeskip. If I'm to trust your word , then according to calculations , Natsu should've become more than 12 times stronger than at Tartaros. And I don't buy it , considering Jellal's progress. The guy pretty much kept up with FT during the power creep . And remember , he had 4 years to train during the 1st timeskip as compared to only 1 year to train during the second timeskip. Although we know Jellal's weaker than Laxus , he's still in the ballpark of Natsu , non PiS Erza , etc. So the progress of Natsu and Erza should be in the same proportion as Jellal. And somehow , you're saying the progress Jellal made in one year dwarfs the progress made by him in four years by more than three times. I don't buy it.
