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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

I was just thinking... if galatea and teresa fought, who would win? They're both yoma perception types and have different advantages. I think teresa had a bigger yoma power, so if came to that she'd win (IMO).
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

I actually haven't thought anyone could win against Teresa... it just didn't cross my mind that anyone would have the gall to challenge her and think there's a chance. except Priscilla did pwn her to death. :oh
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

I doubt anybody can win if Teresa was going with an intent to kill, since she was pwning someone with near release, only with 10% release.

Sadly, she had the too-awesome-to-be-killed-at-100% manga syndrome, so she died(by growing soft by staying with Clare)
 

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Sadly, she had the too-awesome-to-be-killed-at-100% manga syndrome, so she died(by growing soft by staying with Clare)
No kidding there! A prime example of legendary characters being destroyed. -sigh- :darn
 

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Think of it as one legend ending to create the next legend. It hurts... slightly... less.

I also like to live in denial, as I believe Teresa will make a reappearance in some form from inside Clare.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

I want chapter 93 so damn much right now. :darn Anyone know when whatever magazine it's in will be released?
 

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Probably next week. It comes out the first week of the month so we might just start to see some spoilers Monday or Tuesday.
 

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It's amazing that Teresa was able to kill an Awakened One that might have had the power to become an Abyssal One(the former No. 1 that Teresa replaced,was it Rose?) while only barely releasing. She was certainly one of if not the strongest character in the series.
 
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It's amazing that Teresa was able to kill an Awakened One that might have had the power to become an Abyssal One(the former No. 1 that Teresa replaced,was it Rose?) while only barely releasing. She was certainly one of if not the strongest character in the series.
They can't increase their power after becoming an awakened being (if they could, the male awakened beings would never have been as weak as they were at the time of Clare's generation). It's all dependent on your power level when you awaken. Either you've become strong enough to be classified an abyssal one when you awaken or you haven't. Rosemary hadn't and was probably only no. 1 because of the Luciela disaster. Given enough time, she probably would have ended up rank 4 after Priscilla and Irene (while I doubt Noel and Sophia would have been stronger than Rosemary, if they had been, Rosemary would have been demoted to 6). Of course, that would have humiliated her even more. XD
 

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They can't increase their power after becoming an awakened being (if they could, the male awakened beings would never have been as weak as they were at the time of Clare's generation). It's all dependent on your power level when you awaken. Either you've become strong enough to be classified an abyssal one when you awaken or you haven't. Rosemary hadn't and was probably only no. 1 because of the Luciela disaster. Given enough time, she probably would have ended up rank 4 after Priscilla and Irene (while I doubt Noel and Sophia would have been stronger than Rosemary, if they had been, Rosemary would have been demoted to 6). Of course, that would have humiliated her even more. XD
I dont remember if it is mentioned that awakened beings cant get stronger, or if the power up they get when awakened is just bigger if they were stronger claymores, either way u are right a stronger claymore = stronger awakened being. Anyway even if Rosemary was no where near the abysmall lvl we have seen already how strong a single n 2 can be (rigardo killed all the strong claymores in the west in a second and the forgot the number 2 they fought on the holy city but she was pretty strong also) so even if Rosemary was not on abysmall lvl defeating her alone with only 10% is damn impressive.This might be just me but i think Theresa lost by chance she was taking priscilla with only 10% while priscilla was over 80% but i might be mistaken no way to know how big the increase in priscilla streght was.Still as far as it goes Theresa was and still is the strongest claymore to ever live (i would count priscilla since she won as a awakened being not as a claymore).
 

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I dont remember if it is mentioned that awakened beings cant get stronger, or if the power up they get when awakened is just bigger if they were stronger claymores, either way u are right a stronger claymore = stronger awakened being. Anyway even if Rosemary was no where near the abysmall lvl we have seen already how strong a single n 2 can be (rigardo killed all the strong claymores in the west in a second and the forgot the number 2 they fought on the holy city but she was pretty strong also) so even if Rosemary was not on abysmall lvl defeating her alone with only 10% is damn impressive.This might be just me but i think Theresa lost by chance she was taking priscilla with only 10% while priscilla was over 80% but i might be mistaken no way to know how big the increase in priscilla streght was.Still as far as it goes Theresa was and still is the strongest claymore to ever live (i would count priscilla since she won as a awakened being not as a claymore).
The only reason Priscilla won is that Teresa lowered her guard as she came to take her head (she even stopped her yoma energy)...

Teresa would have won otherwise... maybe not with 10%, maybe with 20%.
 

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Yeah... there should be a section for it! Its that kinda manga anyway, that needs to be discussed and talked about. Very Awesome manga.... and the art, especially like in the latest chapters is second to non. Whats taking so long?? Hurry up and make a section!
 

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umm... this is the section. this thread is only part of it. here.
i think theresa had priscilla beaten at 10%. I actually don't know if she would've had to release twenty. I want to know if priscilla actually wanted to be killed by teresa at one point, or if she was too far gone and was faking the whole time.
 

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umm... this is the section. this thread is only part of it. here.
i think theresa had priscilla beaten at 10%. I actually don't know if she would've had to release twenty. I want to know if priscilla actually wanted to be killed by teresa at one point, or if she was too far gone and was faking the whole time.
Well, Priscilla was naive at the time when she was assigned to attack Teresa, so I doubt that she wanted to be killed by Teresa, she probably only thought about the mission.

She didn't know when to stop gaining power, and even with the power-up, Priscilla was on the losing side.
 

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Priscilla was incredibly unique individual in that her latent yoki far surpassed anything the org had even seen. Teresa recognized this by stating that it wouldn't take great deal of training for Priscilla to surpass her. However, awakening would instantly bypass that requirement.

Sigh, Teresa, after choosing not to finish Priscilla off back in the town, couldn’t have won against Priscilla, unless Priscilla wanted to lose or Teresa wanted to awaken (yeah, like that would ever happen). The second hesitation doesn't ultimately matter. Period. Priscilla unleashing her yoki presented both an advantage and a disadvantage for Teresa. The advantage was that it put her in a decent position to counter most of what Priscilla threw at her. After Priscilla had released her yoki, Teresa had indicated that she was having great difficulty reading Priscilla's yoki flow. It permeated throughout Priscilla’s body to such an extent that Teresa couldn't read it. Even though she couldn't read the flow, it's certain that she'd be able to detect the proximity of Priscilla when the latter was attacking. If Priscilla swung her arm around behind Teresa, Teresa would be able to detect it's location at the last second. That is, she'd know were to deflect. Interestingly, this only worked well if Priscilla attacked long range with her extending arm or short range with her entire body concentrated on attacking one point. When Priscilla was face-to-face with Teresa and used her extending arm, Teresa nearly died because, at certain distance, the flow in the arm couldn't be distinguished from flow in the rest of Priscilla's body. Teresa was literally dependent upon her normal eyesight during that short bout. Had Priscilla realized this massive hole in Teresa's counterattacking tactic, Teresa probably would have been the one on the ground just before Priscilla passed her limit.

Teresa’s disadvantage was the she was dependent upon Priscilla’s will. After passing her limit, Priscilla resisted her own awakening. Meanwhile, after passing her limit, she could awaken instantaneously. If Priscilla wanted to awaken with all of her will, she would have done so before Teresa could respond. Priscilla had three options (four, if you want to include partial awakening, which is believed to have been an unknown option at that point) after passing her limit: 1) Willfully awaken and kill Teresa (this would have been quite easy) 2) Feign a desire for death and employ a sneak attack against Teresa, since Teresa can’t pick up small changes in her yoki flow…then awaken 3) Genuinely desire a “human” death and allow Teresa to kill her. 1 and 2 would have resulted in Teresa’s death. For Teresa to win, Priscilla's request for a coup de grace needed to be genuine. It wasn't, so Teresa lost. Thus, the second hesitation didn’t ultimately matter.
 

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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

@ You're right, all she probably knew was to release more power until she won. I believe that if she had won before she had surpassed her limit, she would've turned back. Instead, she turned into an extremely cruel. AB

@kaliayev I think that the second's hesitation did really matter. I really doubt at that moment Priscilla consciously played dead just to kill Theresa. She just didn't have the mental capacity to think of such a plan, nor would she have been naive enough to think that Theresa wouldn't just quickly execute her. Ilena herself said that Theresa would normally just have killed Priscilla. Priscilla was more likely in the mindset that she did want to give up, but her body acted on it's own, like when Clare almost awakened. It's almost like for one moment, she went back to Priscilla the regular person, then went back to the duty-bound claymore who had to kill Theresa just when she had the chance. Maybe she had a split personality disorder. Also, even if Priscilla had seen Theresa 'weakness', all Priscilla had to do was release more Youki. Priscilla was at 80% of her strength, so all she'd gain was 20% more and a more lucid mind. Theresa was too awesome too lose, even with her lessened mental toughness, except she wanted to have mercy.
 

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@sport
I do disagree with the argument that Priscilla hadn't planned, even if only instinctively, a feint. "I loved my papa...I crept up behind him while he was eating my sister's guts and cut off his head," to me, doesn't exactly sound like someone who has limits to what she will do to survive. She had used a sneak attack against someone she supposedly loved more than anyone else. What on earth was to stop her from repeating such a move against someone "evil" and completely unfamiliar (obviously, not honor)?

By the time she passed her limit, Priscilla had to have realized that Teresa couldn't read her yoki flow. This difficulty on Teresa's part could easily be exploited given the first hesitation that Teresa had made back in the city (hence, it's the one that actually mattered). Since Teresa had faltered once, she'd do it again. Other than awakening, taking advantage of such sentimental behavior was Priscilla's best option. In addition, at the time, option 2 was probably more appealing than option 1, simply because Priscilla wouldn't have been aware that awakening would bypass any training necessary for her to match Teresa while still a claymore.

Hoho, you don't appear to recognize the difference between her collapsing and confessing that she doesn't want to be a yoma and the request that she be killed before awakening. Now then, I may recognize the collapse and confession as genuine, but the request definitely wasn't. After Teresa said, "All I can do for you is to cut off your head before the change is complete," Priscilla realized her situation. However, she wasn't about to allow some bitch (excuse my use; it is simply an attempt to understand Priscilla's thoughts) of a claymore do her in. In this moment, she knew what she was about to do: http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/23/21/. Like I said, the request wasn't genuine.

The other important thing is that even if the fight hadn't paused, Priscilla would have won. She was on the verge of awakening. This event is described as pure ecstasy, and in some cases, manifests as a purely instinctual, rather than willful, process. Remember, despite her will, Jean had practically awakened due to the immense amount of stress applied to her body (this applies to others). Priscilla hadn't been aware of her loss of control until she collapsed. Had Teresa continued her assault, Priscilla still would have awakened out of fear/hate, and this still would have resulted in Teresa's death.

Ilena herself said that Theresa would normally just have killed Priscilla.
Ilena said that about the first hesitation, which is the only one I recognize as mattering in terms of the final outcome.

Priscilla was at 80% of her strength, so all she'd gain was 20% more and a more lucid mind.
All? Did you not read my last post or look at just about every awakening we've seen? Priscilla didn't know how to effectively tap her yoki when she encountered Teresa. Teresa recognized this but also knew that Priscilla would soon surpass her if she received more training. In her case, awakening would bypass said training.

Now, let's look at other evidence. Clare, Miria, Undine, etc. got their asses handed to them by Rigardo. Clare wasn't a match for him until she started awakening. After she had awakened all four limbs, she defeated him in an instant (hmmm, I wonder how much more interesting the fight between Priscilla and Teresa would have been had the former awoken a limb or two). How about Rose? She knew she'd have a better chance against Teresa if she awoke before they fought. Rose had already neared her prime/limits, so her chances weren't improved by much. Of course, Priscilla had only realized a fraction of potential, so her awakening was that much more powerful (it is a little odd that she's the only case of an incredibly inexperienced claymore gaining a ridiculous amount power after awakening, although Clare's near awakening in Pieta kinda resembles Priscilla's in that regard).

p.s. While she displayed severe moral schizophrenia, and eventually regression after encountering Isley, I doubt she'd be diagnosed as a case of DID (one could maybe make an argument for such a diagnosis after her encounter with Isley, but not before). If anything, she simply rejected and realized the falsity of the teachings, which had been contributed greatly to her moral schizophrenia, forced upon her by the org.


Can anyone confirm whether or not a winged type yoma have been used in the hybridization process? I always assumed that was the case with Jean, but I may be wrong.
 
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Re: Claymore Hang-out Thread

Just a few suggestions for the translation of names in Claymore, particularly among the Awakened Ones.

First, what is translated as Riful, should actually be Riffel, which, in German, means fluting (a small groove on the surface of an object) thus describing her appearance in awakened form rather well.
Then, there is Duff, which should be Doof, meaning moron, rather aptly defining his character.
Last comes Rigardo (the lion guy in the North). I found Regale (royal in Italian) to correspond well to his character, pronunciation and appearance.
 

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I just thought of something. When Miata and Galatea were fighting Agatha, Miata's hands were chopped off and she fully regenerated them. But Miata is an offensive type. How did she regenerate. The only offensive types that I've seen regenerate without attaching a limb were awakened. (Priscilla, Ophelia.) Does Miata really have that much Youma power, because if she does that's really amazing. If she could think, she might have a chance against Priscilla, logically. It doesn seem a bit of a stretch though.
 

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You're wrong Sportgal1, Miata didn't regenerate her arms but reconnect them. Agatha said (10sigh's translation, i.e. the most literal available): "Whoah, you've reconnected the amputated hands. Although it's a clumsy job... I'm impressed!". It was still impressive though because she was a kid, a newbie that didn't even know his limits (just like Priscilla) or how to use youki properly. Claire needed a lot of time and quite a lot of youki bursts to reconnect her legs and Miata did sth similar instantly without releasing her youki!!! (She was on suppressant pills then).
 
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