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not really fair comparing characters that train while demons don't and using post skip characters.

Acnologia of Magic (PL 10,000) vs Acnologia of Curse (10,000) - Acnologia of Curse would win
Exactly, because if we really think about the Erza we know and love, she would’ve used the Nakagami Armor to take out Kyôka, but why didn’t she? Because it only negates magic, and it was already said that cures Exceed magic🤦🏽‍♂️
 

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Exactly, because if we really think about the Erza we know and love, she would’ve used the Nakagami Armor to take out Kyôka, but why didn’t she? Because it only negates magic, and it was already said that cures Exceed magic🤦🏽‍♂️
Erza never needed nakagami armour to beat Kyouka. She literally punched her out and then slashed her with regular swords. Takeover itself is a magic. Erza can dispel Mirajane's takeover entirely. Not that Erza would really need to summon nakagami. If she just drops all her swords on Mirajane like she did Acnologia while Mirajane is transforming, that alone would be enough.

Curses were never confirmed to be better than magic. The only person that said curses is better than magic is Mard Geer, and Mard and his entire guild were defeated by mages. Tartarus was basically rendered completely irrelevant once the parent dragons (who all use magic) decided to react to Acnologia. Even if Mard had beaten Natsu and Gray, one of the parent dragons would have just stepped on him after they destroyed all of the faces. Everyone stronger and more knowledgeable than Mard Geer all consider magic to be stronger than curses. Zeref and Mavis both recognize that Fairy Heart, which is a magic, to be far stronger than any curse. Acnologia considers the etherious to be a joke compared to his own magic power. The strongest curse users are ridiculously weak compared to the strongest magic users. There are more magic-using characters that can solo the entire cast of curse-using characters than there are actually curse-using characters. Really think about the implication of what that means. Magic has more raw power, better hax, and stronger characters.
 
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Lmao, honestly anyone that is arguing that ANY version of Mirajane wins this after all that we've seen from both characters in the course of the series is a joke.

Erza takes this mid-high difficulty. It's not even worth arguing about, if only for the fact that Mirajane will most likely at least run out of power before she's able to take down Erza who has shown almost ridiculous levels of tank like durability.
 

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Erza never needed nakagami armour to beat Kyouka. She literally punched her out and then slashed her with regular swords. Takeover itself is a magic. Erza can dispel Mirajane's takeover entirely. Not that Erza would really need to summon nakagami. If she just drops all her swords on Mirajane like she did Acnologia while Mirajane is transforming, that alone would be enough.

Curses were never confirmed to be better than magic. The only person that said curses is better than magic is Mard Geer, and Mard and his entire guild were defeated by mages. Tartarus was basically rendered completely irrelevant once the parent dragons (who all use magic) decided to react to Acnologia. Even if Mard had beaten Natsu and Gray, one of the parent dragons would have just stepped on him after they destroyed all of the faces. Everyone stronger and more knowledgeable than Mard Geer all consider magic to be stronger than curses. Zeref and Mavis both recognize that Fairy Heart, which is a magic, to be far stronger than any curse. Acnologia considers the etherious to be a joke compared to his own magic power. The strongest curse users are ridiculously weak compared to the strongest magic users. There are more magic-using characters that can solo the entire cast of curse-using characters than there are actually curse-using characters. Really think about the implication of what that means. Magic has more raw power, better hax, and stronger characters.
But look at it this way, Seliah has already had Erza under Macro, Same way she had Elfman, Mira will use Macro and do the same thing seliah did because Erza would’ve fallen to Macro if not for who?

MIRAJANE (Click on the text below)
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But look at it this way, Seliah has already had Erza under Macro, Same way she had Elfman, Mira will use Macro and do the same thing seliah did because Erza would’ve fallen to Macro if not for who?

MIRAJANE (Click on the text below)
Mira saving Erza |
That was during the Tartarus arc. Current Erza is much stronger. Macro wasn't really a factor against any of Mirajane's opponents post-timeskip, and Erza is arguably stronger than any opponent Mirajane faced except Irene. Plus, Mirajane needs to be in her takeover to use macro on Erza. In the time that it takes Mirajane to transform, Erza could just drop a bunch of swords on Mirajane.
 

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That was during the Tartarus arc. Current Erza is much stronger. Macro wasn't really a factor against any of Mirajane's opponents post-timeskip, and Erza is arguably stronger than any opponent Mirajane faced except Irene. Plus, Mirajane needs to be in her takeover to use macro on Erza. In the time that it takes Mirajane to transform, Erza could just drop a bunch of swords on Mirajane.

It doesn’t matter if it’s current Erza or Tartaros Erza. An order from Macro is still an order and it will work on Erza. There’s no reason it wouldn’t. In addition, Mirajane doesn’t need to become Seilah to use Macro because she used Macro on Elfman when she wasn’t even transformed.

Macro wasn’t a factor against her opponents post timeskip because telling your opponents to go to sleep isn’t a battle. That’s most likely why Mirajane didn’t bother using Macro against Juliet and Heine, it was all for the plot. I know that I would have used Macro on them if I was Mirajane but I guess she needed to show us Alegria.

Why didn’t Bloodman use Macro on Gajeel? Because there was no way for Gajeel to counter it.
 

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It doesn’t matter if it’s current Erza or Tartaros Erza. An order from Macro is still an order and it will work on Erza. There’s no reason it wouldn’t. In addition, Mirajane doesn’t need to become Seilah to use Macro because she used Macro on Elfman when she wasn’t even transformed.

Macro wasn’t a factor against her opponents post timeskip because telling your opponents to go to sleep isn’t a battle. That’s most likely why Mirajane didn’t bother using Macro against Juliet and Heine, it was all for the plot. I know that I would have used Macro on them if I was Mirajane but I guess she needed to show us Alegria.

Why didn’t Bloodman use Macro on Gajeel? Because there was no way for Gajeel to counter it.
Current Erza is several times stronger than Tartarus arc Erza, and several time stronger than opponents that current Mirajane struggles with. "Telling your opponents to go to sleep isn't a battle" is no excuse. Mirajane was fighting a war, and she ended up spending all her magical power on Juliet and Heine tells us that they were beyond the capabilities of her simply macroing them. Same with Jacob, and all the other opponents Mirajane has fought this arc.
Macro didn't work on the proxy robot of Wall, not even Wall's main body.

In any case, Erza can still simply drop her swords on Mirajane as she's transforming. If what you say is true and Mirajane is simply too inept to think of using Macro, then Erza being faster on the draw and vastly more experienced as a fighter would just blitz Mirajane before she manages a takeover.
 

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"Telling your opponents to go to sleep isn't a battle" is no excuse. Mirajane was fighting a war, and she ended up spending all her magical power on Juliet and Heine tells us that they were beyond the capabilities of her simply macroing them. Same with Jacob, and all the other opponents Mirajane has fought this arc.
Macro didn't work on the proxy robot of Wall, not even Wall's main body.

In any case, Erza can still simply drop her swords on Mirajane as she's transforming. If what you say is true and Mirajane is simply too inept to think of using Macro, then Erza being faster on the draw and vastly more experienced as a fighter would just blitz Mirajane before she manages a takeover.
It is an excuse. Hacks are not battles so they are not used, just like how Bloodman simply forgot to use Macro on Gajeel.

In addition, Mirajane not even attempting to use Macro on any of her opponents is literally because the story demands it and its plot induced stupidity. Why wouldn’t she attempt to use it on Juliet and Heine? Because she needed to show us Alegria. Just like how Base Satan Soul was nerfed and her other forms were forgotten so she used Alegria instead. It was all for the plot, it was necessary to show us all her power ups. If she simply Macro’d Juliet and Heine, when would she have used Alegria? If she simply used Macro on Jacob, when would she have used Alegria? You’re forgetting that Fairytail is a story that has to follow certain rules. Anyone with eyes can see this. Why would Mirajane exhaust herself against Juliet and Heine when she had other forms to use. Where was Sitri? Where was Macro? Heck, why didn’t she even attack them properly in her base form? Because it was Alegria’s time to shine.

Mirajane forgot to take out her wings and fly during her battle against the swords, so I’m not even surprised she didn’t even attempt to use Macro. She stood still and didn’t bother dodging their attacks even though she’s fast. Why? Because Alegria needed its spotlight, so the base form had to be nerfed.

Anyone in Mirajane’s position would have used Macro. But she didn’t. Why? Because plot.

Macro didn’t work on the Wall because it already worked on more than 20 plus soldiers in front of him. Notice how the soldiers behind the sleeping ones were unaffected? That seems like a limit to how many people are affected by Macro at once. Do you think Macro would work on 100s of people at once? I highly doubt it.

“Erza would simply drop her swords on Mira as she’s transforming” this is just overrating Erza. Mira can transform instantly too. We’ve seen her do it multiple times. Don’t underestimate Mira.

I wouldn’t say Erza in the final arc is several times stronger than her Tartaros version. Final arc Erza doesn’t have that many impressive feats compared to her Tartaros version lol? She needed assistance in every fight against Spriggans. It’s the same red head with bullshit plot armour.
 
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It is an excuse. Hacks are not battles so they are not used, just like how Bloodman simply forgot to use Macro on Gajeel.

In addition, Mirajane not even attempting to use Macro on any of her opponents is literally because the story demands it and its plot induced stupidity. Why wouldn’t she attempt to use it on Juliet and Heine? Because she needed to show us Alegria. Just like how Base Satan Soul was nerfed and her other forms were forgotten so she used Alegria instead. It was all for the plot, it was necessary to show us all her power ups. If she simply Macro’d Juliet and Heine, when would she have used Alegria? If she simply used Macro on Jacob, when would she have used Alegria? You’re forgetting that Fairytail is a story that has to follow certain rules. Anyone with eyes can see this. Why would Mirajane exhaust herself against Juliet and Heine when she had other forms to use. Where was Sitri? Where was Macro? Heck, why didn’t she even attack them properly in her base form? Because it was Alegria’s time to shine.

Mirajane forgot to take out her wings and fly during her battle against the swords, so I’m not even surprised she didn’t even attempt to use Macro. She stood still and didn’t bother dodging their attacks even though she’s fast. Why? Because Alegria needed its spotlight, so the base form had to be nerfed.

Anyone in Mirajane’s position would have used Macro. But she didn’t. Why? Because plot.

Macro didn’t work on the Wall because it already worked on more than 20 plus soldiers in front of him. Notice how the soldiers behind the sleeping ones were unaffected? That seems like a limit to how many people are affected by Macro at once. Do you think Macro would work on 100s of people at once? I highly doubt it.

“Erza would simply drop her swords on Mira as she’s transforming” this is just overrating Erza. Mira can transform instantly too. We’ve seen her do it multiple times. Don’t underestimate Mira.

I wouldn’t say Erza in the final arc is several times stronger than her Tartaros version. Final arc Erza doesn’t have that many impressive feats compared to her Tartaros version lol? She needed assistance in every fight against Spriggans. It’s the same red head with bullshit plot armour.
No, it's not an excuse. "Hax is not a battle" doesn't explain why Mirajane would use up all her magic power fighting fodders when there was a far simpler way to beat them with macro, unless macro simply would not have cut it. The mere fact that Mirajane herself had to resort to Alegria meant that she couldn't have just easily macro'd Juliet and Heine. Saying "because plot" or "PIS" is just a bad excuse for hyping characters beyond what they have shown. Macro didn't work on Wall's proxy bot, and it didn't help against Mirajane fighting any strong. Mirajane didn't take out hundreds of people with macro. She took out like 30. Also 100 fodders is still 100 fodders. Taking out 100 fodders doesn't mean you can tickle a Spriggan. No reason to assume it Macro would be a deciding factor against Erza, who is far stronger than anyone Mirajane has ever fought.



This is all Erza needs to do to beat Mirajane. Erza can drop all her swords on Acnologia. Acnologia is faster than Mirajane and he could not dodge this attack. It takes less time for Erza to drop her swords than it takes for Mirajane to transform into Sayla Soul, and then use Sayla Soul to make a command.
Even if it takes the same amount of time, they will end up trading blows. Getting impaled by Erza's swords is worse than falling asleep. Of course current Erza is way stronger than Tartarus arc Erza. God Serena or any of the Spriggans would solo all of Tartarus. Bloodman basically is all of Tartarus, and he was beaten by Gajeel. Erza was blocking END-power Natsu and Gray's enraged attacks. She broke Irene's meteor with all her bones shattered. That was Irene in her dragon form, pulling an asteroid from outer space. How well did Mirajane do against Irene? She exhausted her power fighting swords that Irene enchanted. Erza is on a completely different level to Mirajane as a fighter.
 
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No, it's not an excuse. "Hax is not a battle" doesn't explain why Mirajane would use up all her magic power fighting fodders when there was a far simpler way to beat them with macro, unless macro simply would not have cut it. The mere fact that Mirajane herself had to resort to Alegria meant that she couldn't have just easily macro'd Juliet and Heine. Saying "because plot" or "PIS" is just a bad excuse for hyping characters beyond what they have shown. Macro didn't work on Wall's proxy bot, and it didn't help against Mirajane fighting any strong. Mirajane didn't take out hundreds of people with macro. She took out like 30. Also 100 fodders is still 100 fodders. Taking out 100 fodders doesn't mean you can tickle a Spriggan. No reason to assume it Macro would be a deciding factor against Erza, who is far stronger than anyone Mirajane has ever fought.



This is all Erza needs to do to beat Mirajane. Erza can drop all her swords on Acnologia. Acnologia is faster than Mirajane and he could not dodge this attack, and it takes less time for Erza to drop her swords than it takes for Mirajane to transform into Sayla Soul, and then use Sayla Soul to make a command. Of course current Erza is way stronger than Tartarus arc Erza. God Serena or any of the Spriggans would solo all of Tartarus. Bloodman basically is all of Tartarus, and he was beaten by Gajeel. Erza was blocking END-power Natsu and Gray's enraged attacks. She broke Irene's meteor with all her bones shattered. How well did Mirajane do against Irene? She exhausted her power fighting swords that Irene enchanted lol. Erza is on a completely different level to Mirajane as a fighter.
Oh. So you’re ignoring the fact that Bloodman didn’t use Macro on a Gajeel? Why didn’t he? Because plot: You’re ignoring the fact that Satan Soul was nerfed? Interesting. Mirajane wouldn’t have known Macro wouldn’t have worked because she didn’t use it. Nobody in their right mind wouldn’t at least try. It takes her a few seconds to give an order but she didn’t. Why? Because plot. That’s an objective fact. She didn’t use Macro because the plot didn’t allow it. Mirajane went straight to Alegria because she needed to show us a new form. Alegria wasn’t necessary to defeat the swords. At all.

Again, why didn’t she dodge Juliet and Heine’s attacks? Why didn’t she blitz them with her incredible speed? Why didn’t she fly? Why did she stand still and not attack them? NERF and PLOT. Compare Satan from Mirajane vs Freed and Satan from vs Juliet and Heine. Mirajane should’ve clapped them in her base form.

All of the bullshit Erza pulls doesn’t mean she can ignore an order from Macro but nice try. Macro has already worked on her so it would work again.

It doesn’t matter if Macro worked on 30 fodder wizards, that’s still a shit ton of wizards. Why didn’t it work on all the fodder wizards? Because of the quantity. Unless you’re saying nameless fodder wizards are stronger than Mirajane, who has enough MP to change the atmosphere?

Mirajane would do just fine against all of Erza’s past opponents too. Erza needed Bisca’s help against Ajeel, she pulled some bs against Neinhart and didn’t even manage to attack him directly and she lost to her mom. And Mira one shots all her past foes with Alegria so haha.
 
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Oh. So you’re ignoring the fact that Bloodman didn’t use Macro on a Gajeel? Why didn’t he? Because plot: You’re ignoring the fact that Satan Soul was nerfed? Interesting. Mirajane wouldn’t have known Macro wouldn’t have worked because she didn’t use it. Nobody in their right mind wouldn’t at least try. It takes her a few seconds to give an order but she didn’t. Why? Because plot. That’s an objective fact. She didn’t use Macro because the plot didn’t allow it. Mirajane went straight to Alegria because she needed to show us a new form. Alegria wasn’t necessary to defeat the swords. At all.

Again, why didn’t she dodge Juliet and Heine’s attacks? Why didn’t she blitz them with her incredible speed? Why didn’t she fly? Why did she stand still and not attack them? NERF and PLOT.

All of the bullshit Erza pulls doesn’t mean she can ignore an order from Macro but nice try. Macro has already worked on her so it would work again.

It doesn’t matter if Macro worked on 30 fodder wizards, that’s still a shit ton of wizards. Why didn’t it work on all the fodder wizards? Because of the quantity. Unless you’re saying nameless fodder wizards are stronger than Mirajane, who has enough MP to change the atmosphere?
The mere fact that Bloodman didn't even attempt to use macro on Gajeel tells that that macro wouldn't have worked. If Bloodman could have just used macro to beat Gajeel, he would have done so instead of getting ripped apart and killed by Gajeel. We can assume that the characters know the limits of their abilities better than your imagination, and that if they opted not to use an ability it's because they don't have confidence in it. Macro is the single most overrated ability in this series. It's only ever taken out fodders. The way Mirajane uses it, it's not even better than Mystogan's sleep magic. Again, if your argument is that Mirajane is simply too inept to use macro, then this is an easy victory for Erza. Because Erza has feats of simply dropping swords on Acnologia. That's a top tier opponent, and there's no hesitation.

If Mirajane macros Erza while Erza drops her swords on Mirajane, Erza will be fine and Mirajane will be dead. Worst thing that would happen to Erza is that she falls asleep (Mirajane's usage) or briefly chokes herself (Sayla's usage). Getting impaled by every single weapon that Erza owns with enough force to knock Acnologia out of the sky is a knockout at the very least.
 

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The mere fact that Bloodman didn't even attempt to use macro on Gajeel tells that that macro wouldn't have worked. If Bloodman could have just used macro to beat Gajeel, he would have done so instead of getting ripped apart and killed by Gajeel. We can assume that the characters know the limits of their abilities better than your imagination, and that if they opted not to use an ability it's because they don't have confidence in it. Macro is the single most overrated ability in this series. The way Mirajane uses it, it's not even better than Mystogan's sleep magic. Again, if your argument is that Mirajane is simply too inept to use macro, then this is an easy victory for Erza. Because Erza has feats of simply dropping swords on Acnologia. That's a top tier opponent, and there's no hesitation.

If Mirajane macros Erza while Erza drops her swords on Mirajane, Erza will be fine and Mirajane will be dead.
No. Now you’re being an idiot. Why tf wouldn’t Macro work on Gajeel? Gajeel of all people. He’s not even all that. Bloodman didn’t use Macro on Gajeel beause it would’ve been an instant victory and the plot wouldn’t allow that to happen because 1. That’s not a fight 2. Gajeel needed to win

It’s like Brandish going to Magnologia and not killing everyone as soon as she got there, instead she’s having a good time in Lucy’s bathtub. Plot.

Fairytail puts the story and plot before logic every time. Hence why Bloodman and Mirajane didn’t even bother using Macro when they should’ve. Plot.

Mirajane has feats of using Macro on people. Seilah used Macro on Erza. Mirajane Macros Erza and wins. The end.
 
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No. Now you’re being an idiot. Why tf wouldn’t Macro work on Gajeel? Gajeel of all people. He’s not even all that. Bloodman didn’t use Macro on Gajeel beause it would’ve been an instant victory and the plot wouldn’t allow that to happen because 1. That’s not a fight 2. Gajeel needed to win

Mirajane has feats of using Macro on people. Seilah used Macro on Erza. Mirajane Macros Erza and wins. The end.
Macro wouldn't work on Gajeel for the same reason it doesn't work on Wall. Gajeel is too strong. Gajeel is stronger than Mirajane too, btw. Stop crying about plot when it's obvious that the author wants to portray which characters are stronger. It's your imagination versus the manga. Gajeel ripped Bloodman to pieces. If Bloodman's macro could have made a difference, he would have used it instead of allowing himself to get killed. The fact that he didn't is testament to Bloodman's limitations. Either the limitations of macro, or a display of Bloodman's ineptitude. If anything, arguing that macro is unstoppable even though Mirajane doesn't always use it is just proof that in character Mirajane is a jobber. In which case, Erza will easily capitalize and blitz.

Also, Brandish wasn't fighting seriously. Bloodman and Mirajane were fighting for their lives and losing. That's a huge difference. Brandish never took her fights seriously because she was too lazy. She held a lot back. Mirajane used all her power fighting Juliet and Heine, and had no power left to fight any of the Spriggans. You don't do that unless you were desperate and there was no other choice.

Mirajane has feats of using macro on fodders. Seilah used macro on Tatarus-arc Erza, who is far weaker than current Erza. Current Erza just drops all her swords on Mirajane, and kills her. The end.
 
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Macro wouldn't work on Gajeel for the same reason it doesn't work on Wall. Gajeel is too strong. Gajeel is stronger than Mirajane too, btw. Stop crying about plot when it's obvious that the author wants to portray which characters are stronger. It's your imagination versus the manga. Gajeel ripped Bloodman to pieces. If Bloodman's macro could have made a difference, he would have used it instead of allow himself to get killed. The fact that he didn't is testament to Bloodman's limitations. Either the limitations of macro, or a display of Bloodman's ineptitude. If anything, arguing that macro is unstoppable even though Mirajane doesn't always use it is just proof that in character Mirajane is a jobber. In which case, Erza will easily capitalize and blitz.

Mirajane has feats of using macro on fodders. Seilah used macro on Tatarus-arc Erza, who is far weaker than current Erza. Current Erza just drops all her swords on Mirajane, and kills her. The end.
Except Macro would work on Gajeel. Gajeel only ripped apart Bloodman because he was the only person who could actually touch him? I wonder why? I wonder why it was convenient that Gajeel was the only person who could physically touch him? Plot. Just like everything else in this damn series. As I said before, plot before logic in Fairytail. There’s no reason other than plot for them not attempting to use Macro. Fairytail literally won the war because of plot instead of logic.

Does using Macro kill the person using it? No. Does giving an order take 10 minutes? No. So why didn’t they ATTEMPT to use Macro? Because of the plot. They wouldn’t have known it wouldn’t have worked because they didn’t even try. Macro WOULD have worked, and that’s why they weren’t allowed to use it in the story.

Where did Bloodman say “Gajeel is so strong, my Macro wouldn’t work on him!”

Where did Mirajane say “ Juliet and Heine are so strong, my Macro wouldn’t work on them!”

The only time Macro ever failed was when it was used on a large group of people. It worked on Erza. It worked on Minerva. It worked on Elfman.

And lol Gajeel wishes he could take Mirajane. My dude only beat Bloodman because of counters. He was literally the only person around who could fricking physically touch the dude. Also, Alegria> Gajeel’s DF.

We’ve seen Mira move so fast she’s disappeared but carry on telling yourself “ swords get dropped GG” because apparently dodging is not a thing.

Did you just say Mirajane had no choice but to use Alegria against Juliet and Heine? That’s factually incorrect. She was nerfed.

Compare Satan Soul from the battle with Freed and compare the Satan Soul from the battle with the swords. It’s the exact same form and Satan Soul from the battle with Freed should have won against the swords. I wonder why it didn’t? P L O T.

There was Sitri. There was Macro. Heck, she could have actually fought them properly in her base form. Why didn’t she? She had a new form to show us so she had to struggle a bit.
 
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Except Macro would work on Gajeel. Gajeel only ripped apart Bloodman because he was the only person who could actually touch him? I wonder why? I wonder why it was convenient that Gajeel was the only person who could physically touch him? Plot. Just like everything else in this damn series. As I said before, plot before logic in Fairytail. There’s no reason other than plot than not attempting to use Macro. Fairytail literally won the war because of plot instead of logic.

Does using Macro kill the person using it? No. Does giving an order take 10 minutes? No. So why didn’t they ATTEMPT to use Macro? Because of the plot. They wouldn’t have known it wouldn’t have worked because they didn’t know it wouldn’t have worked. Macro WOULD have worked, that’s why they weren’t allowed to use it in the story.

Where did Bloodman say “Gajeel is so strong, my Macro wouldn’t work on him!”

Where did Mirajane say “ Juliet and Heine are so strong, my Macro wouldn’t work on them!”

And lol Gajeel wishes he could take Mirajane. My dude only beat Bloodman because of counters. He was literally the only person around who could fricking physically touch the dude. Also, Alegria> Gajeel’s DF.
Gajeel wasn't the only person that could actually touch him. The only reason Gajeel couldn't touch Bloodman was because his attacks are all physical. Rogue has no problem touching Bloodman's body with his shadows. Stuff like fire or lightning would make it fairly simple for character like Natsu and Laxus to touch Bloodman. Gray could freeze Bloodman. Even Juvia could harm Keith's anti-magic particles, which is the exact same as Bloodman's (though Juvia is far too weak to actually beat Bloodman).

They don't have to say anything for us to deduce their limits, because we can look at their fights. The fact that Mirajane had to resort to Alegria, her strongest takeover, tells us that Juliet and Heine were opponents beyond her abilities to handle with Sayla Soul. Same with Gajeel ripping Bloodman apart. We don't need Natsu to say "the water dragon god is so strong, my LFD won't work on him" to know that lightning would have done nothing to Mercphobia. Why? Because we know that it took a far greater power in Ignia to beat Mercphobia. Speaking of, even Natsu had enough sense to know that he can't go all out against fodders. So if what you're saying is true, and Mirajane went all out against Juliet and Heine when she could have breezed through them with no effort tells us that Mirajane is worse at planning out a strategy than Natsu. How the heck is that supposed to be a benefit when she's fighting Erza? All that tells us is that in character, Erza will find plenty of openings to end the fight against Mirajane.

Never said using macro kills the person using it. I'm saying macro has never knocked out or defeated anyone as strong as Erza. The most it will do is either put Erza to sleep or make Erza choke herself for like 2 seconds before Erza's swords skewer Mirajane.
 
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Gajeel wasn't the only person that could actually touch him. The only reason Gajeel couldn't touch Bloodman was because his attacks are all physical. Rogue has no problem touching Bloodman's body. Stuff like fire or lightning would make it fairly simple for character like Natsu and Laxus to touch Bloodman. Gray could freeze Bloodman. Even Juvia could harm Keith's anti-magic particles, which is the exact same as Bloodman's (though Juvia is far too weaker to beat Bloodman). So "plot" gave Gajeel a bad matchup against Bloodman to begin with.

They don't have to say anything for us to deduce their limits, because we can look at their fights. The fact that Mirajane had to resort to Alegria, her strongest takeovers, tells us that Juliet and Heine were opponents beyond her abilities to handle with Sayla Soul. Same with Gajeel ripping Bloodman apart. We don't need Natsu to say "the water dragon god is so strong, my LFD won't work on him" to know that LFD would have done nothing to Mercphobia. Why? Because we know that it took a far greater power in Ignia to beat Mercphobia.

Never said using macro kills the person using it. I'm saying macro has never knocked out or defeated anyone as strong as Erza. The most it will do is either put Erza to sleep or make Erza choke herself for like 2 seconds before Erza's swords skewer Mirajane.
So let’s see what Juliet and Heine can do:

Throw slime and ribbons.

What can Base Satan Soul do:

Fly

Throw nukes

Physically strong

Fast

Yet you’re saying Mirajane had to use Alegria. No, Mirajane could have beat them in her base form but she was deliberately nerfed. Yeah, carry on ignoring the nerf and everything that’s happening because of plot.

Unless you have a legitimate reason for why Mirajane didn’t even bother to fly away from Juliet and Heine’s attacks? I’m just curious. Let’s see how you can spin the nerf. Why wouldn’t you dodge your opponents attacks?

Mirajane doesn’t have to transform into Seilah to use Macro. How many times do I have to say this? She can give an order without transforming and dodge Erza’s attacks falling swords, because she’s fast asf, as we have seen on multiple occasions.

In a serious one vs one fight with no nerds, no plot induced stupidity or bullshit, Erza simply gets Macro’d. GG.
 
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So let’s see what Juliet and Heine can do:

Throw slime and ribbons.

What can Base Satan Soul do:

Fly

Throw nukes

Physically strong

Fast

Yet you’re saying Mirajane had to use Alegria. No, Mirajane could have beat them in her base form but she was deliberately nerfed. Yeah, carry on ignoring the nerf and everything that’s happening because of plot.

Unless you have a legitimate reason for why Mirajane didn’t even bother to fly away from Juliet and Heine’s attacks? I’m just curious. Let’s see how you can spin the nerf. Why wouldn’t you dodge your opponents attacks?

Mirajane doesn’t have to transform into Seilah to use Macro. How many times do I have to say this? She can give an order without transforming and dodge Erza’s attacks falling swords, because she’s fast asf, as we have seen on multiple occasions.
Mirajane did have to use Alegria. If she could have beaten them in base, then she would have done so. Especially since Alegria exhausts her power supply, and Mirajane knew she had to fight opponents far stronger than them later. There's no reason to assume that Mirajane was nerfed. Juliet and Heine were simply too strong for her to deal with using anything other than Alegria. The reason why Mirajane didn't fly away from their attacks? Because they were too fast and she couldn't. Simple as that.

It doesn't really matter if Mirajane can use macro without transforming or not. When she used macro on Elfman, it wasn't like Elfman was resisting. In fact, Elfman probably would have ran to Mirajane's aid without macro if he knew where she was. Macro, at best, helped Elfman figure out the location. It doesn't really help her dodge Erza's swords. Acnologia is faster than Mirajane, and Acnologia couldn't dodge Erza's swords. Even if Mirajane macros Erza at the exact same time as Erza spams her swords, the worst that will happen to Erza is that she falls asleep. The swords are still coming.
 

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Mirajane did have to use Alegria. If she could have beaten them in base, then she would have done so. Especially since Alegria exhausts her power supply, and Mirajane knew she had to fight opponents far stronger than them later. There's no reason to assume that Mirajane was nerfed. Juliet and Heine were simply too strong for her to deal with using anything other Alegria. The reason why Mirajane didn't fly away from their attacks? Because they were too fast and she couldn't. Simple as that.

It doesn't really matter if Mirajane can use macro without transforming or not. When she used macro on Elfman, it wasn't like Elfman was resisting. In fact, Elfman probably would have ran to Mirajane's aid without macro if he knew where she was. Macro, at best, helped Elfman figure out the location. It doesn't really help her dodge Erza's swords. Acnologia is faster than Mirajane, and Acnologia couldn't dodge Erza's swords. Even if Mirajane macros Erza at the exact same time as Erza spams her swords, the worst that will happen to Erza is that she falls asleep. The swords are still coming.
Wait... did you just say they were too fast to fly away from? How... how does that make sense? They didn’t even move. They threw their attacks and kicked Mira once and you’re saying they’re too fast to fly away from? BASED ON WHAT? Mira didn’t even bother to take her wings out.it was like Mira forgot she was fast. It was like Mira forgot she could shoot blasts. It was nerf through and through but carry on being a Mirajane hater.

Why didn’t Mira bother to dodge their attacks? WHY DID SHE STAND STILL AND NOT MOVE AN INCH WHILE THEY WERE ATTACKING HER?
 

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Wait... did you just say they were too fast to fly away from? How... how does that make sense? They didn’t even move. They threw their attacks and kicked Mira once and you’re saying they’re too fast to fly away from? BASED ON WHAT? Mira didn’t even bother to take her wings out. It was nerf through and through but carry on being a Mirajane hater.
Based on the fact that Mirajane got hit. Their punches and kicks could tag Mirajane before Mirajane could sprout her wings and fly away. Or more likely, Mirajane was trying to stand her ground and block the attacks, but they were too fast for her to block.
 

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Based on the fact that Mirajane got hit. Their punches and kicks could tag Mirajane before Mirajane could sprout her wings and fly away. Or more likely, Mirajane was trying to stand her ground and block the attacks, but they were too fast for her to block.
SHE GOT HIT BECAUSE SHE STOOD STILL LIKE A DUMBASS EVEN THOUGH SHE HAS SPEED FEATS THAT SHOW SHE COULD HAVE DODGED EVERY SINGLE ATTACK.

Explain that. Why did a fast person stand still and not dodge attacks that were focused on one area? This is actually funny.
 
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