No, Krillin is not a challenge at all, it is clear that he was holding back in this fight. 17 is though, difficult for me to accept that he trained hard enough to surpass Buu and reach SSB level.
But then, why even do any of what they just did? I would argue it would be completely extraordinary if krillin nowadays was even as strong as namek pre SS goku (at the time his PL was 3000000). Even somewhat recently beerus made the point that he didn't quite see how goku beat frieza (because goku was in his base form). And now we are graced with SSB goku having a kamehameha showoff with krillin? Krilin holding his ground there would be completely extraordinary and asinine even against base non god ki goku. If anything that should have been enough to turn krillin into a bloodstain far into the distance and even then it would be a feat for krillin that said bloodstain remained.
Krillin got stronger, but he is still weaker than 18.
Well, of course he is weaker than 18. Back in the day 18 was easily able to beat super saiyans.... By extension she would easily foderize the likes of frieza and his dad.
They didn't say Goku was holding back but it was apparent in the fight. I preferred to mention that Krillin is still weaker than 18 because he got stronger recently.
I'm surprised power scaling and consistency actually matters to people anymore. If we didn't get enough of this BS with trunks last arc, I would be just as upset. However, is really obvious that they're just trying to validate these people's participation in the tournament.
I liked the katchin thing. Immortal zamasu was not too powerful but he fought like a god... That was a fairly good concept IMO. The guy even without too much power was resourceful enough. THe katchin was a nice throwback and it makes sense for it to be used as a weapon.
I am fine with Zamasu using Katchin but after a fusion I was expecting more impressive attacks from him. Vegeto being stronger than Beerus doesn't surprise me but I didn't think they would mention it.
Well, he did seem fairly impressive against goku and vegeta. The issue would be that he couldn't compare to vegeto. Which actually makes a lot of sense considering both zamasu were inferior to goku and vegeta. Black zamasu was getting his ass handed to him by vegeta and immortal zamasu was never too powerful compared to anyone there. He just couldn't be killed. His immortality and godly powers is what he brought to the table... Dunno, for me how that part of the fight played out made sense overall. What didn't make sense to me is that vegeto could have had a chance of killing zamasu via obliterating him so hard that there is nothing for him to regenerate. That's not really immortality...
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Which is why the manga is better I heard the anime screw up in that department but when u comes to story anime trumps the manga I can see why cause the manga is more action pack than the anime. Btw I do watch the anime. (Only the dub tho and I'm behind on that too lol)
I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that this was the manga. Both black and the Zamasu have been nerfed significantly, black especially. So the fusion fighting the way it is, is not at all surprising. From my point of view, you can't really expect impressive things from someone who hasn't been that impressive in the first place.
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I don't know. I mean it's because the manga has the anime as a template for its changes that it could even be called better. I, personally, don't really take any stock in what the manga has to say about anything. The anime is effectively the source material at this point so… I'm personally indifferent about the manga. That's just my opinion.
Not really manga came out be4 the anime tho. this is how I see it. Toriyama gives a summary of the plot of each arc and then toei and toyatro ( can't remember his name) use their own version to interpret the plot. To me they are both canon they both have their flaws like I mention earlier but imo manga>anime( even though I'm not caught up to it)
Not for 'Dragon ball super' no. The manga is promotional material or was promotional material for the anime. For the original Dragon ball manga yeah that's true. Not for this however.
Huh? Yes it did look at the dates when both the manga and the anime came out. It's becuase the anime is weekly and the manga is monthly that's y the anime is ahead of the manga. No toriyama both gives them the plot and the both interpret diff ways it's all speculation but Even if u believe toyataro is "fixing what the anime screwed up" I doubt thatthe anime changed his ways in his mind meaning that he has his own version of interpret the plot that's my point. I doubt toyotaro is using the anime as his "advantage" when from the begin both manga and anime were different to begin with. We just have to agree to disagree IMO they are both canon. fans can choose which is canon which isn't canon but I like both and prefer manga>anime dragonball wasn't about the story (well u can argue that with dragonball) but a Z was mainly about power levels and fighting which is why people love the show and I myself prefer the fighting over than story which is why I like the manga>anime
I never sought to prove anything in this. From the very beginning I said that my opinions are my own. I personally disregard the manga. Which I know for a fact started out as promotional material for the anime making the anime the prime material for the super franchise. So there's really no need to say we have to agree to disagree because I never tried to put value of my opinion over yours.
