Shounen Dragon Ball Super

[Hardy]

He was so irrelevant even in games he doesn't have a full moveset... That's so sad.
Maybe DBS will do him justice.

Well they gave him God Ki so there's a decent foundation already (which retroactively means super and smol Buu had god Ki but let's ignore that).

 

[Sky]

Well they gave him God Ki so there's a decent foundation already (which retroactively means super and smol Buu had god Ki but let's ignore that).

Well they kinda had to because they absorbed the dai kaio, who has god ki.

 

[kkck]

I don't really like where the series went with vegeta. Vegeta has not been set up in such a way as to actually be a rival to goku anymore. Sure, vegeta got a buff but nothing he has is worth 0.00000001% of a fully realized ultra instinct. The difference between them now is the greatest it has ever been. I suppose eventually vegeta will find something that competes with UI but even thinking about it sounds utterly absurd. I suppose if he reaches an 8th level of SSB transformation... he will still fall short. Dammit.

 

[Hardy]

I don't really like where the series went with vegeta. Vegeta has not been set up in such a way as to actually be a rival to goku anymore.

Tbf that should be the case ever since Goku killed Buu. To the point that in Super Goku got Hit as his rival shortly after, and the revival of Freezer for the ToP too.

 

[kkck]

Tbf that should be the case ever since Goku killed Buu. To the point that in Super Goku got Hit as his rival shortly after, and the revival of Freezer for the ToP too.

Goku was stronger than vegeta at those points of course but he was never realistically not even in the competition. As in, vegeta's power at all those points at least registered for goku. WHen goku defeated buu, vegeta was simply a SS transformation behind. Which is a pretty big gap but one that can be overcome with a simple transformation. Vegeta was mostly comparable to goku during the ToP, goku only got ahead with UI sign. But then vegeta just went in a different direction and rejected UI. even though it's pretty much actual god power. And in doing that, there is basically no difference to goku between vegeta and krillin.

 

[Sky]

So we have to say that in GT at least Vegeta was almost as strong as Goku.
Now he isn't even in the same weight class anymore.

 

[Hardy]

Goku was stronger than vegeta at those points of course but he was never realistically not even in the competition. As in, vegeta's power at all those points at least registered for goku. WHen goku defeated buu, vegeta was simply a SS transformation behind. Which is a pretty big gap but one that can be overcome with a simple transformation. Vegeta was mostly comparable to goku during the ToP, goku only got ahead with UI sign. But then vegeta just went in a different direction and rejected UI. even though it's pretty much actual god power. And in doing that, there is basically no difference to goku between vegeta and krillin.

During Buu Goku got clearly stronger.
Vs Beerus, even more.
Vegeta caught up off screen for RoF.
Goku mixed Kaio-Ken and passed Vegeta again against Hit.
Neither got an upgrade in this gap afaik.
ToP, Goku got a better upgrade.

Idk, ever since Buu they were only equivalent thanks to off screen shenanigans once.

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So we have to say that in GT at least Vegeta was almost as strong as Goku.
Now he isn't even in the same weight class anymore.

Uh, Vegeta was stuck in SJ 2 in GT and needed to cheat his way (again) into 4. He was awfully irrelevant, too.

 

[Sky]

Goku mixed Kaio-Ken and passed Vegeta again against Hit.

Just one thing, Mixing Kaio-Ken and SSJ power is an Anime only thing. It doesn't exist in any form.

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Uh, Vegeta was stuck in SJ 2 in GT and needed to cheat his way (again) into 4. He was awfully irrelevant, too.

Yeah but SSJ4 Vegeta was still almost as strong.

Also GT was another Goku-fan-festival. Everyone else was literally irrelevant.
Not giving Pan SSJ powers was also... Lol.

 

[Hardy]

Just one thing, Mixing Kaio-Ken and SSJ power is an Anime only thing. It doesn't exist in any form.

Didn't read that part of this manga ngl. Basically watched the anime until ToP then moved to the manga.

But, fwiw:

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It didn't work btw but yeah he did have it and used it.

 

[Sky]

Didn't read that part of this manga ngl. Basically watched the anime until ToP then moved to the manga.

But, fwiw:

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It didn't work btw but yeah he did have it and used it.

Yeah but in Anime (DBZ and DBS) it was a constant thing. It doesn't work that well and only drains the user with no profit.
Hence I said "Anime-only".

 

[XXGenesis]

Yeah but in Anime (DBZ and DBS) it was a constant thing. It doesn't work that well and only drains the user with no profit.
Hence I said "Anime-only".

That panel made it cannon. Whether it works or not. I get it isn’t a stable power boost seen in the manga, but it is a thing that occurred in the manga.

Still yet I agree and somewhat understand. I’m a Heavy Vegeta Fan; It use to be toxic, until I stopped watching Re-runs on tv & fan fics. & actually digested DB Series.

Vegeta will be even or slightly even with Kakarot until the big threat comes through and Goku will transcend his limits.

unfortunately Goku now has attained God realm status, & the manga has is that Vegeta isn’t too interested in that route, which is Character growth but sucks because he’ll never truly catch up now.

Still yet Goku as much as I hate to say it, is supposed to be stronger, he just has a different motivation in him to transcend. It’s all WIS if you ask me screw that lmfao...Vegeta is just a fav underdog, & very much understandably so. 2nd protagonists for some reason are always almost characterized better than the MC.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Man last chap i read was vegeta wiping the floor with Moro and now i catched up.

I think you all can feel my disappointment. I really would enjoyed it ten times more with vegeta as savior then goku through the force of others again. Its spiritbomb all over.

Next arc probably will involve Grand priest with beerus getting fired.

 

[XXGenesis]

Man last chap i read was vegeta wiping the floor with Moro and now i catched up.

I think you all can feel my disappointment. I really would enjoyed it ten times more with vegeta as savior then goku through the force of others again. Its spiritbomb all over.

Next arc probably will involve Grand priest with beerus getting fired.

The OG troll. Somebody besides Goku will save the day. Your hope is strong my friend.

At best it would be nice for note worthy henchman to be taken out by the rest of the Z fighters. With Vegeta taking out a very strong 2nd. Or not the main bad guy toying around with him and getting serious but actually powering up like in the cell saga...

last chapter is just not so sweet and sour for us Vegeta fans.

 

[Shasha23]

The OG troll. Somebody besides Goku will save the day. Your hope is strong my friend.

At best it would be nice for note worthy henchman to be taken out by the rest of the Z fighters. With Vegeta taking out a very strong 2nd. Or not the main bad guy toying around with him and getting serious but actually powering up like in the cell saga...

last chapter is just not so sweet and sour for us Vegeta fans.

That might not be the case, looks like the next arc we will see a return to prominence for Gohan

the place i was reading the spoilers is not that trustworthy so............

Spoiler: New Arc

73 is alive and some space fungus thing attaches itself to him to power him up, Krillin, Yamcha and Goku celebrate their win while Piccolo and Vegeta have questions for Guko, Gohan is shown to be happy with the win but he is also angry with his dad for what he did since the world has been reshaped and changed because of his poor judgment, we are then shown Granola probably the new antagonist/the one chasing the slime that awoke 73

 

[Kato756]

That might not be the case, looks like the next arc we will see a return to prominence for Gohan

the place i was reading the spoilers is not that trustworthy so............

Spoiler: New Arc

73 is alive and some space fungus thing attaches itself to him to power him up, Krillin, Yamcha and Goku celebrate their win while Piccolo and Vegeta have questions for Guko, Gohan is shown to be happy with the win but he is also angry with his dad for what he did since the world has been reshaped and changed because of his poor judgment, we are then shown Granola probably the new antagonist/the one chasing the slime that awoke 73

Granola.

I cant take this seriously XD

Its the exact same way you write it in PTBR

 

[szopaman]

In My opinion DBS is going into tvery interesting direction. Developing lore is great idea, creating more connections beetween Old and new characters builds more complex background and can guide into not SO simple conflicts. Also it is becomong True sci fi manga

 

[Shasha23]

Spoiler

yeah more dragon balls .......... im soo excited

 

[Sereen123]

So is this the biggest/fastest jump spike in power we ever got. Guy went from weaker than namek saga freeza to strongest in universe in 5 minutes

 

[kkck]

So, vegeta is going to learn hakai? I suppose that makes sense, and would even be expected, but it's hard for me to imagine how this would allow him to match actual ultra instinct. UI provides a massive power boost along with what is basically foresight... Hakai appears to be just the power to obliterate stuff. I suppose there might be more to it but still, it doesn't appear to hold up. I suppose we can look forward to vegeta and goku getting new super saiyan forms to match their new powers. As in, an eventual UI super saiyan and a Hakai super saiyan.

 

[Sky]

So, vegeta is going to learn hakai? I suppose that makes sense, and would even be expected, but it's hard for me to imagine how this would allow him to match actual ultra instinct. UI provides a massive power boost along with what is basically foresight... Hakai appears to be just the power to obliterate stuff. I suppose there might be more to it but still, it doesn't appear to hold up. I suppose we can look forward to vegeta and goku getting new super saiyan forms to match their new powers. As in, an eventual UI super saiyan and a Hakai super saiyan.

Which might be amazing.
Also Toppo became a monster when he used GoD mode. Vegeta will be the same. COmbine that with the basic saiyan genes and Goku as well as Vegeta will surpass anything.
And they have to, when Granola can simply become the strongest via 2 dragon balls.