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That should add up to 142k no ?
I think in his assault mode when he fought Escanor and uses kami chigiri which I think the highest ever recorded so far more than Escanor's.
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Im not really sure about Escanor because basing before hes suppose to be 50,600 but his one state without a proper timeline is hard because if we base the sunshine factor 5 x 60 sec x 30 minutes assuming he reached 114k at 1130am when Hawk read it, At noon hes suppose to be only at 123k. Although his unscathable state is very interesting because Mel which has a PL of 142k and with the stats youve given 125k strength, 7k magic and 10k spirit which his kami chigiri that hurls with dark magic flame, i assume, he could have at least scathe this guy.
 

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I think in his assault mode when he fought Escanor and uses kami chigiri which I think the highest ever recorded so far more than Escanor's.
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Im not really sure about Escanor because basing before hes suppose to be 50,600 but his one state without a proper timeline is hard because if we base the sunshine factor 5 x 60 sec x 30 minutes assuming he reached 114k at 1130am when Hawk read it, At noon hes suppose to be only at 123k. Although his unscathable state is very interesting because Mel which has a PL of 142k and with the stats youve given 125k strength, 7k magic and 10k spirit which his kami chigiri that hurls with dark magic flame, i assume, he could have at least scathe this guy.
Escanor’s power doesn’t have a pattern. It surges at some points and increases steadily at others. Estarossa was the first person to point this out
 

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Escanor’s power doesn’t have a pattern. It surges at some points and increases steadily at others. Estarossa was the first person to point this out
Oh ok. So is he well above 142k when he became the one, stronger than Meliodas?
 

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Oh ok. So is he well above 142k when he became the one, stronger than Meliodas?
Yeah I think he’s gotta be stronger. But I don’t think the math adds up if we assume that his power doesn’t surge. Plus it also depends on when dawn starts and whether it’s cloudy or something like that according to the databook
 

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Yeah I think he’s gotta be stronger. But I don’t think the math adds up if we assume that his power doesn’t surge. Plus it also depends on when dawn starts and whether it’s cloudy or something like that according to the databook
Hmmm interesting. We know for a fact Escanor's PL is 50600 right? And I think prime Meliodas has 90k. So with that boost of Escanors PL is astounding.
 

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Hmmm interesting. We know for a fact Escanor's PL is 50600 right? And I think prime Meliodas has 90k. So with that boost of Escanors PL is astounding.
The only for sure facts about Escanor's power is that, at it's lowest, at night, it's 15, and the highest it's been is 114,000.
 

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The only for sure facts about Escanor's power is that, at it's lowest, at night, it's 15, and the highest it's been is 114,000.
When he fought Galan hes at 50,060 thats the time sun rises in the morning changing his state from weakling to decent Escanor.
 
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The only for sure facts about Escanor's power is that, at it's lowest, at night, it's 15, and the highest it's been is 114,000.
The highest recorded for escanor is 114k. However since assault mode meliodas is at 142k then escanor as the one should easily tower over that. Escanor didn't even fully swing his hand to end meliodas.... It was basically a love tap.
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Escanor’s power doesn’t have a pattern. It surges at some points and increases steadily at others. Estarossa was the first person to point this out
TBH I don't think escanor's power just surges. I will argue what I have said before, escanor actively suppresses his power as much as he can when fighting. His "surges" aren't this thing that always happen at insanely convenient times. They happen when escanor stops holding back and he manifests the maximum amount of power he can at a given time. So far we had seen 3 "surges" at which he has suddenly gained significant muscle mass:

1.- When he was fighting izraff.
2.- When he fought Estarosa.
3.- When he fought meliodas.

Against izraff escanor's power surged just as he got pissed off. Against estarosa his power surged just as escanor had to overpower the darkness surrounding his cruel sun. Against Meliodas it was just before noon. When his power surged against izraff it was basically dawn, it was only moments before that that escanor even begun powering up (and I don't buy that escanor spent 5 hours playing around). Escanor became the bulked up version of him at a very early point. Against estarosa he bulked up a full half hour before noon just as estarosa got the upper hand on him. And against meliodas he bulked up at a later point in time than he did against estarosa.

Escanor is someone who normally has trouble controlling his power. That is the reason merlin incapacitated him after defeating izraff. It is the reason he has magical glasses that keep him in his night form during the day. It is one of rhitta's purposes. And once he releases his power he has trouble taking it back to a lower point, hence why he couldn't go help the others after defeating estarosa. The surges make no sense as random things, in turn they make perfect sense in terms of being the exact moment when escanor stops suppressing his power.
 

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The highest recorded for escanor is 114k. However since assault mode meliodas is at 142k then escanor as the one should easily tower over that. Escanor didn't even fully swing his hand to end meliodas.... It was basically a love tap.
Hahaha nice one. I think Escanor really was serious telling Galan I am indeed human and I am also one who stands a top all clans.lol. Damn with this power no way Mael is as strong as he is, Escanor is way more powerful than Mael.
 

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Hahaha nice one. I think Escanor really was serious telling Galan I am indeed human and I am also one who stands a top all clans.lol. Damn with this power no way Mael is as strong as he is, Escanor is way more powerful than Mael.
Mael is stronger. Assuming he can do everything Escanor can with sunshine (e.g The One) then he is because Mael would still have access to his Goddess abilities that are Archangel-class (e.g ark). So during times where sunshine is weak, his Goddesses abilities would fill the gap.

Basically, Mael is sunshine PL + his constant Goddess one PL (if that makes sense).
 

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Hahaha nice one. I think Escanor really was serious telling Galan I am indeed human and I am also one who stands a top all clans.lol. Damn with this power no way Mael is as strong as he is, Escanor is way more powerful than Mael.
Mael is stronger. Assuming he can do everything Escanor can with sunshine (e.g The One) then he is because Mael would still have access to his Goddess abilities that are Archangel-class (e.g ark). So during times where sunshine is weak, his Goddesses abilities would fill the gap.

Basically, Mael is sunshine PL + his constant Goddess one PL (if that makes sense).
Going by what ludociel said a human shouldn't be able to host a grace to begin with. There is a good chance that escanor has some quality that allows him to hold and wield sunshine without exploding. Escanor could very well surpass mael....
 

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Mael is stronger. Assuming he can do everything Escanor can with sunshine (e.g The One) then he is because Mael would still have access to his Goddess abilities that are Archangel-class (e.g ark). So during times where sunshine is weak, his Goddesses abilities would fill the gap.

Basically, Mael is sunshine PL + his constant Goddess one PL (if that makes sense).
Hmmm interesting. So are you saying Mael and Escanor are more than 142k PL?
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If thats the case Mael should be the one who has the position to be feared by his foes with the PL he has more than Mels assault mode. Imagine hes more than twice as Zel 61k and Estarossa 60k.
 

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Hmmm interesting. So are you saying Mael and Escanor are more than 142k PL?
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If thats the case Mael should be the one who has the position to be feared by his foes with the PL he has more than Mels assault mode. Imagine hes more than twice as Zel 61k and Estarossa 60k.
I’m almost certain Mael is weaker. Plus Escanor and Mael do differ a bit. If I recall Mael’s power can be translated as sun, and Escanor’s as sunshine. So perhaps Escanor has a different version maybe
 

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I’m almost certain Mael is weaker. Plus Escanor and Mael do differ a bit. If I recall Mael’s power can be translated as sun, and Escanor’s as sunshine. So perhaps Escanor has a different version maybe
Could be maybe thats the reason why Escanor is a bit stronger if not way stronger than Mael. But I still do believe Escanor is around 123k on his one state in comparison to Meliodas's 142k assault mode.
 

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The way i think PL's go :
AM Meliodas (142k)
Strength - 130k
Magic - 7k
Spirit - 5k
As for 11:59 Escanor i would say 125k-130k at the very least (and a lot of it in strength), since at 114k he wasn't even able to scratch Mel with an all out slash with Rhitta. But when he punched him 4-5 panels after that he was able to damage him a little, that's why i'm going with more than 114k. And "The One" it could be 15k above AM Mel or 100k so we don't know because it's been shown that a 15k difference is enough for someone to not take damage or to oneshot.
 

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Going by what ludociel said a human shouldn't be able to host a grace to begin with. There is a good chance that escanor has some quality that allows him to hold and wield sunshine without exploding. Escanor could very well surpass mael....
People have speculated that he received his power from Rosa (a woman who saved him) who might have a connection with the Goddesses. Either way, I believe a Goddess has directly been involved with him - because no matter how special Escanor is, a ''normal'' human cannot wield the power.

Hmmm interesting. So are you saying Mael and Escanor are more than 142k PL?
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If thats the case Mael should be the one who has the position to be feared by his foes with the PL he has more than Mels assault mode. Imagine hes more than twice as Zel 61k and Estarossa 60k.
They are more than 142k at the correct time of the day.
Escanor - ''The One''
Mael - Maybe a little earlier since he has his Goddess powers too.

I’m almost certain Mael is weaker. Plus Escanor and Mael do differ a bit. If I recall Mael’s power can be translated as sun, and Escanor’s as sunshine. So perhaps Escanor has a different version maybe
Why would Mael be weaker? Goddesses are superior to humans. In fact, Mael being a Goddess (Archangel class) and having the power of sunshine implies he's stronger than Escanor at all times. They may be called different, but they are the same grace created by the Supreme Deity.
 

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People have speculated that he received his power from Rosa (a woman who saved him) who might have a connection with the Goddesses. Either way, I believe a Goddess has directly been involved with him - because no matter how special Escanor is, a ''normal'' human cannot wield the power.
The rosa bit is by no means a stretch but what exactly are you implying here? Are you suggesting rosa gave him the grace but also did something to escanor so that he can survive having it? I am not sure any of the skills we have seen from goddesses so far could make escanor resist the grace. Not to mention goddesses for all their powers seem to be limited to their light based powers, they don't have individual innate magics like the human or giant clan. I would argue the more likely scenario is that if rosa was the one who gave him the grace that was likely because escanor had the capacity or potential to handle it. With that in mind, the more obvious explanation is that escanor can handle the grace because of whatever his innate magic is.

Crackpot theory, escanor has an innate hyper healing magic. The hyper healing allows him to survive the grace's power. But also the grace itself powers up and enhances his healing factor. So as escanor becomes stronger or weaker he is continually undergoing and repairing damage to his body.
 

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I’m almost certain Mael is weaker. Plus Escanor and Mael do differ a bit. If I recall Mael’s power can be translated as sun, and Escanor’s as sunshine. So perhaps Escanor has a different version maybe
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They should be equal but if Mael’s base form is stronger (which it probably is) then he definitely eclipses Escanor in power

Escanor is useless without Sunshine while Mael is still one of the strongest Angels unless he’s ends up being a scrawny loser
 

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They should be equal but if Mael’s base form is stronger (which it probably is) then he definitely eclipses Escanor in power

Escanor is useless without Sunshine while Mael is still one of the strongest Angels unless he’s ends up being a scrawny loser
That’s assuming that their powers work identically. Like I said Mael’s can be translated as Sun and Escanor’s as sunshine. Escanor’s could have benefits that outclass Mael’s version. Sure Mael has two powers, but it’s also possible that Escanor just gets more strength from the sun. We don’t know how they work yet though.

For example if Escanor is 114,000 at 11 and Mael is only 90,000 Escanor would still win even if Mael had two powers. But like I said we don’t know the exact details of Mael.
 

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That’s assuming that their powers work identically. Like I said Mael’s can be translated as Sun and Escanor’s as sunshine. Escanor’s could have benefits that outclass Mael’s version. Sure Mael has two powers, but it’s also possible that Escanor just gets more strength from the sun. We don’t know how they work yet though.

For example if Escanor is 114,000 at 11 and Mael is only 90,000 Escanor would still win even if Mael had two powers. But like I said we don’t know the exact details of Mael.
“ If their powers work identical “ ? Of course they work identical, it’s the same Sunshine from the SD

Why would Escanor have some special variation when Ludociel senses the same power radiating from Escanor ? He even confirmed it was giving to Mael & has the same effects on Escanor than it did with Mael

This makes so sense, it’s the same power

The SD has 4 Graces, Sunshine is one of them, Mael got super strong until afternoon, same with Escanor

It’s the same ability until Nakaba backtracks
 
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