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What do you like most about FT/what will you miss most about FT? (3 choices)

  • The individual characters

  • Moments when the guild is together

  • The storytelling and plot twists

  • Speculating about what could come up in the story/plot/characters

  • Shipping moments that have or you wish to take place

  • The feels

  • The fights/battles

  • The character designs/appearance

  • The villains

  • The comedy

  • The fanservice

  • The epic entrances, lines, and badass moments

  • Seeing side guilds (non-FT) get attention

  • The anime

  • Soundtracks/OP/ED in the anime

  • Mashima's art/twitter


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True, but in defense Mashima was ending the series early originally in that time before deciding to go forward about it.
We've gone over this time and time and time again. Mashima was never, ever, ever at the point where he was planning to end the series, ever, until he actually reached the final arc. The initial length was an estimate he made before he even started. Alvarez, not Galuna Island, was the part in the series where Mashima said to himself, "The end of Fairy Tail is near." And nowhere was this said otherwise.
 

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We've gone over this time and time and time again. Mashima was never, ever, ever at the point where he was planning to end the series, ever, until he actually reached the final arc. The initial length was an estimate he made before he even started. Alvarez, not Galuna Island, was the part in the series where Mashima said to himself, "The end of Fairy Tail is near." And nowhere was this said otherwise.
In latest interviews he said he never meant for it to go as long it did which explain why later arcs didn't have much plan into them. What you mean by that?
 

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In latest interviews he said he never meant for it to go as long it did which explain why later arcs didn't have much plan into them. What you mean by that?
It's exactly as I told you all those times: he never meant for it to go as long as it did before he started writing it. The Galuna Island arc was written as a way to reveal Gray's backstory sooner than he figured he would, since Gray developed a huge fanbase. Likewise, he said the Phantom Lord arc--the arc that people mistakenly claim was meant to be the ending of Fairy Tail, just because Mashima said he figured there'd be a guild war towards the end of the series--started sooner than he expected.

Let me repeat: Galuna and Phantom began earlier in the story than he expected. And on top of this, he said that immediately after those arcs were written and released. So how could he have been gearing up for an ending when he explicitly said he wasn't even close to the end at the point you said he was?
 

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It's exactly as I told you all those times: he never meant for it to go as long as it did before he started writing it. The Galuna Island arc was written as a way to reveal Gray's backstory sooner than he figured he would, since Gray developed a huge fanbase. Likewise, he said the Phantom Lord arc--the arc that people mistakenly claim was meant to be the ending of Fairy Tail, just because Mashima said he figured there'd be a guild war towards the end of the series--started sooner than he expected.

Let me repeat: Galuna and Phantom began earlier in the story than he expected. And on top of this, he said that immediately after those arcs were written and released. So how could he have been gearing up for an ending when he explicitly said he wasn't even close to the end at the point you said he was?
So where you feel he was planning to end things on his end?
 

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So where you feel he was planning to end things on his end?
I don't feel. I know he wasn't planning to end the series until towards the actual end, because he has said time and again that he went into the story with no plan and no ending in mind. Just a collection of concepts and backgrounds, but no pre-prepared structure for when or how they would happen. That's why the series has gone on for as long as it has: he kept starting stories and making up new ideas on the spot.

If you're looking for a spot where he was actually shooting for a conclusion, it was most definitely around the end of the GMG arc, when he explicitly said he probably had two major story arcs left in him. Going by their structure and overall prominence, it's obvious he was talking about Tartaros (the last big dark guild still unaccounted for) and the final showdown with Zeref and Acnologia (the existence and involvement of the Alvarez Empire was an afterthought), with the other, smaller arcs being written more or less on the spot so he could tie the bigger ones together, because that was his creative process for this series.
 

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Fairy Tail ate my parents :(
Naw, it just stole their souls, so it only looked like they died. They came back to life after it ended.

(Guess the Mashima reference.)
 

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Naw, it just stole their souls, so it only looked like they died. They came back to life after it ended.

(Guess the Mashima reference.)
Though they died like hell in RM and EZ series, so kinda counter that reference.
 

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Though they died like hell in RM and EZ series, so kinda counter that reference.
It appears you didn't get it. But it's something I'm glad FT didn't do, considering all of the similarities its final battle had to it.
 

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For those that are watching the anime:

 

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Hey guys! We are having a Mashima Awards soon! :zomg

These awards will be combined ones between Edens Zero, Fairy Tail, and other Mashima's works as well. Please look forward to it and remember to participate! :wtf
 

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Hey guys! We are having a Mashima Awards soon! :zomg

These awards will be combined ones between Edens Zero, Fairy Tail, and other Mashima's works as well. Please look forward to it and remember to participate! :wtf
Interesting :hmm
You mean RM, Monster Soul, Monster Hunter, the Mashima-En and other one-shots and side stories.
 

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Monster Hunter is awesome btw.

Hey guys! We are having a Mashima Awards soon! :zomg

These awards will be combined ones between Edens Zero, Fairy Tail, and other Mashima's works as well. Please look forward to it and remember to participate! :wtf
How soon? :grumble
 

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What's this? Time surely passed by quickly.

The Mashima Awards have arrived!
Nominations just started, so make sure to nominate your favourite everything made by the hand of mr. Hiro Mashima!

You can find everything you need to know about these awards here
 

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I relocated our talk cuz you piqued my interest once again.
It is possible to happen. We don't know inner workings of what's go behind the scenes as always. It been stated he gets reaction if he try to kill someone off by fans and thus couldn't kill them as much in FT. Same situation with Kubo when he tried to kill Byakuya and got backlash for it. If it's not to the Japan's audience liking, then they don't have much choice.
Mashima stated that cuz of his previous work which was darker, he wanted to make sure that no one died in Fairy Tail and thus making it lighter. So why even try to make those atrocious fake deaths. You think he was rushed? Or was he influenced on the spot by fans? But if he was influenced by fans on the spot than that means he was writting and changing the story week by week as he went, again not knowing how to end it. I think thats worse than being rushed. Kubo did say that having a social network had an influence on his writting, in particular with the Byakuya case, but he also said that its better to not have a social network for these exact reasons since its not a good thing that fans change a writters story. Another interesting thing is, that Fairy Tail was and is pretty popular in Japan and the fans there didnt rage about certain stuff, unlike in west. Somewhere along GMG, began the western outrage towards some stuff that Mashima wrote, and yet he didnt really pay any attention to it. If he had, and like you said if he was that easily influenced by fans, he would have improved on the problems, but the problems the western audience had never went away and they kept showing all the way to the finale.

Again not excusing his faults not coming up an ending as he went to continue, but won't put him only blame around out of all of this as looking at other series with their own bad final arcs and finding issues why they went like that, shows that not everything is 'good' to certain authors in their works all the time. We can't ignore that FT is only one to suffer like this when other series had familiar patterns. Even ones currently like SSD I heard lately have issues on it's quality and final arc right now too.
Before comparing FT finale to other series final arcs (what is SSD? i dont think i am familiar with this, or are you refering to Seven Deadly Sins? if yes than 7DS had a different reason for the outrage), and stating that a big number of other series had similars issues, we first need to ask ourselves and study what the issues with FT finale was. Like i said in my previous argument, i dont believe it was cuz he was rushed, i just dont see it. Unless he actually stated that he was rushed, but why rush him then when Fairy Tail was huge money maker? I just dont understand how these magazines work and think if they rush a manga thats making them a large amouns of money.
Would you say that Erza with all her bones broken crushing a meteor and defeating a dragon was Hiro being rushed, or just bad writting on his part? Well bad writting from a western perspective, since i am not familiar how the Japanese handled that moment. But thats just one example of the many problems that i and a good chunk of the western audience had with the arc (yesterdays episode reminded me lol).

He made choice to continue, Yes he did. Though can't ray blame him thinking about it. Look at RM like you mention. While it was better written, it did not as much as FT in sales end of the day. It lead to Depression on Mashima and thus why he make FT for that and gain popularity and money out of it. Thinking like that, hard to blame him why he continue it if his audience were that fickle if they didn't like RM that much and prefer FT more. It is what it is and out if it, think he has a clear goal of EZ's future on how to make it better than last 2 series.

So yeah, he is at fault, bu not completely if you look at situation on what lead FT to how it went. Mixture of a lot of things for it on why it went that route, so just saying we got look at outside forces at time than just solely author's fault only when not true looking at works in similar cases as FT.
Compared to FT, yes Rave Master had smaller sales (but that was a different era of manga) and you think it was cuz of that reason that he prolonged the series as much as possible and made Alvarez? But then you say he was rushed? So what was it then that made the arc bad, was it the fact that he wanted money and prolonged it or was it cuz he was rushed like you said. Very confusing :hmm
RM was well received for its time, to the point it got an anime (though that anime had some backlash to it), so i am still not sure about this depression that you speak of. I did ask you about this last time, cuz i was interested, but you never responded. Did Mashima suffer under depression during his RM era? Thats the first i have heard of.
All in all imo Alvarez arc suffered from a great deal of other things, rather than just saying Hiro was rushed, and if outside forces had any influence he would have said so, but in the end he didnt pay much attention towards the rage of the west, cuz he never fixed the problems the western community had in the first place, and the fans in Japan were for the most part alright with his writting and respectful.
 
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I take much on from that users. I heard he can be wrong at times and plus again recent interviews still shows otherwise he didn't like it than being 100% fine about it. If anything, he probably didn't want to say anything in bad spirits as again their culture more respectful and reclusive on what they say even as they are displease.

Sure thing. Let's not continue on with it then.

I personally think at first Mashima thought whatever he wrote would be accepted by his fans,but when he "probably" saw adverse reactions from the fans,he quickly changed his earlier view that he wrote like he wanted and instead his view became h couldn't write like he wanted.
 

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Why are you so sure that it was rushed. Did Mashima or any of his editors state that he had to end it as quickly as possible, or that he had to wrap every plotline during the arc so that he could finish the series and do his next work? Maybe they did and i just dont know it (if they did than what i am writting right now is just nonesense based on my take with the final arc). But as far as i know they didnt say anything of sorts. But like i said Mashima did say that he didnt plan the ending at all, which resulted in really bad structure, and which also makes it look like it was rushed. You could clearly see the battle formula for each villain in the final arc. It was always the same. Imo he could have done everything so much more better with just better planning. So i wouldnt say rushness was the problem and thats why FT final arc if differently bad compared to some other series endings. It has diffrent issues.

You said that he plans better short-term, and then even the editors said to him that he needs to limit the number of villains which would probably result in a shorter arc (not sure if the arc would be smaller, but it would definitely be more focused). So why then, why did Mashima demand more? He himself went for a longer arc despite you saying that he is apperently better in short-term, and he himself didnt know how to handle the ending. Was he rushed into writting more than 100 chapters? Doenst it sound funny. Other series final arcs were long as well, but they had their own issues, some similar but other different. Its hard for me to blame Mashima cuz i loved RM and i loved Fairy Tail before timeskip, but in the end the blame is well deserved as much as it pains me, he himself dug this hole of madness.

I didnt see any outside forces, other than crazy shippers, and even they didnt get what they wanted. Situation with RM? This you need to elaborate more cuz i didnt understood the sentence completely, and i dont want to misunderstand you.



Hm, Fantasia arc? You mean Battle of FT Arc with Laxus? If yes than thats the first i heave heard of, but its pretty interesting information, i will have to research more about it.
As for the Bleach final arc, i guess its all about preference. I can clearly see that you love FT, so saying FT final arc was better is pretty understadable from a big fans perspective. To me the very very end (like final chapter end) of FT was better as well, but only for the fact that it made room for the 100YQ. But overall i do think that Bleach final arc has more quality.
Because that's so much, from the beginning of the arc to its end, everything goes too fast.

Already with avatar, certainly he has the excuse to be a return arc of training, but Natsu who bones the god was bad, there will have to be a little more tension in this fight.

The beginning of the beginning of Alvarez, in Caracola Island it was going well rhythm.

The problem occurs after, because scripting ease Non stop:

They already arrive at the capital at the right time or makarof is on the terrace with zeref.

The Laxus team arrives right at the right time for the rescued, while they had no info on where makarof was.

The war begins, the only 2 true fight in this war, Ajeel, fake Wal (and eilleen later), the pace was also going but more after.

Lucy with her stradress they are just shown we did not see the full potential that lucy could do with it.

Or even lucy just had no fight for her in 1 vs 1, a start with Brandish but that's it.

Such ease scriptwriting, ichiya launches the apelle world and everyone is ready to fight, while we are in the middle of the night but good.

These are the final enemie but they are almost all, OS without there is a real fight.

No tension for Dimaria / cherria, Whal gets done, OS with the new Laxus attack but without explanation.

Neihart with his similar historias, while there was way to lengthen this part, with the fight of gray and others.

Bloodman / gajeel ridicules the fight.

Jacob are fighting is a little spoiled because of loss of seriousness, he will have bled very well natsu and lucy remaining invisible.

Invel / gray ridiculous too, he takes himself 3 slams he is KO, gray does not even use his Demon slayer.

Dimaria promises an atrocious death to lucy, there it is mashima who did not assume the trashy side and it becomes a joke, while he had bled jubia and erza some chapter before.

Eilleen / erza, a real fight.

And there the fact that natsu decides to remain human, is not the problem in itself, but that's what happens next for the conclusion that is wrong.

And the rest remains in this logic to go too fast.

In EZ it's the same way too fast and for 100 there are people who complained because there was 2 transitional chapter and so people complained that it was not going fast enough.

For Bleach certainly kubo was sick but his excuse not all because well before the final fight a hundred chapters or it told nothing and wasting time.

And suddenly the final fight is rush for nothing.

Naruto the same, his aurau ended with madara, but long before that Kishimoto changed the whole story of Kaguya, + the two brothers.

And so it gives a hollow character who does not speak and is empty.

Actuellemnt for Food wars it's the same everything goes too fast, we remove the explcation, the foodgasme, we turn personal like that.

In magi, there is not even a final fight.

In NNT, of course, the author made a twist with the "end", but that does not change anything for the "final" fight that there was.

And so in the final it starts to make a lot of manga acceleration on their end, while it is precisely the only Arc that should not be accelerated.

Even if admitting that Mashima was close to doing EZ, his excuse did not rush the final comabt like that.

This is the fault of him or his boss or boss who do not do their job properly.
 
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