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[grey matter]

Those are all new armors and swords, Gray and Lucy get completely new forms of magic. Plus, the swords appeared in the sequel that he didn't even plan to do, he ended the story leaving Erza the only MC to never get any powerups. She's treated like an afterthought.

I haven't made it clear that I think Erza was treated horribly from Tartaros-Alvarez. Everything before that was great. The sequel is a mixed bag. I did like Erza vs Laxus, it was the only decent battle Erza got in ages. The Kyria hypnotizing bs was gross and I hate how she was unconscious for 10 chapters straight.

So Erza got one big battle that she lost and did nothing for the rest of the arc, and Gray has been fighting non stop and won all his battles. That's a pretty fair trade if you ask me. What more do you want from him? To have one big fight on top of all those battles?



Erza vs Kyouka was definitely underwhelming. It was the shortest MC fight of the arc, the most half-assed and the most meaningless to the plot. Gray's had 5 chapters focused on him with his fight with Silver alone, and later went on to fight Mard as well. Erza had a two chapter fight and didn't get any focus beyond that.

Wait I thought Wendy did enchant for her? Which is it? Did she do it herself or get outside help like you claim? Again, this was after the main story ended and Mashima ended the OG FT leaving Erza the only MC without any kind of powerup.



Nope, Erza was the only person in the Avatar arc that we didn't get a separate chapter to see what she was doing during the time skip. We got Natsu, Lucy, Wendy, Juvia, even glimpses of Gajeel and Levy. Erza? Nothing. We have no idea what she did prior to working with Gray against Avatar. She gets shafted even in slice-of-life like moments. More screentime my ass. Again there was also Tartaros where she only had two chapters focused on her and off screened fight with Minerva, far less than any other MC.

We have no idea if anything will come out of the Irene plotline, just like how nothing did in the OG series. Let's not mention things that haven't happened yet shall we? I wouldn't be surprised if she was there just for Wendy.

Erza got enchantment as well, not just swords. And again, swords ARE her magic dude, how else will you upgrade requip? All you can do is give her more armour and magic
Gray and Lucy got new forms, but they're still same magic. Only Gray arguably got a new ability - the DeS magic, which Erza now has as well lmao. Lucy's magic is still celestial magic
And guess what, Lucy is still almost always useless in combat, my guy. And gets shafted in fights all the times.
Yeah the character who gets second most fights in almost all arcs, and second most screen time also in almost all major arcs, is treated as an afterthought. Seriously?

Tartarus was arguably the only arc where she got less shine than Gray, since she became a part of the crew. Big deal dude, Gray got the shine in one arc instead of Erza. And even in Tartarus, she got to defeat buffed Minerva and Kyouka (who's the strongest or second strongest DG).
Don't even speak about Alverass again. She got THREE Spriggan fights, and got injected into dragon Slayer lore. While the destined fight built up and hyped for Gray against END, for years at that point, was STOPPED and RUINED by....... Erza's friendship
Erza vs Laxus >>> anything Gray got in this arc. It was the only decent fight she got?

Yea, Erza had a great fight, and lost (which STILL got freaking excused by Mashima and turned into a "draw".........you now see my point about Mashima protecting her image? Even when she loses, she doesn't. She never loses clean, and never will in the future)
Also, this is freaking LAXUS we're talking about here. The fact that she got buffed by her new powerups, to the point where she could give Laxus, the "monster" of the guild, a run for his money, speaks volumes.
And yea dude, Gray won against 3 irrelevant characters (only Freed arguably is even remotely a threat). And got OFF SCREEN fight against Mira & Elfman, where Mashima did everything in his power to take away any credit Gray got from there.
His final opponent was confirmed fodder (like fodderhart, strong summons but weak self), and was underwhelming to the point he got one shot by base Gray (who is confirmed fodder at this point)
This is a pretty fair trade? Lmfao. ALL of them are TRASH.
What do I want from him? A DECENT ON-SCREEN FIGHT?

Wendy gave her the dragon slayer seal. That's outside help.
Manga mentions Erza learned enchantment and enchanted the swords herself IIRC. She did the enchantment herself, but she used Natsu's and Gray's magic; this magic power is external help, since she'd still need Natsu and Gray to give her their powers to enchant her sword even though the enchantment itself was done by her. Anyway, this point would be irrelevant if these swords become a permanent part of her arsenal.

NOBODY cares about Avatar arc, it was an "arc" made to just showcase the improvement of team Natsu, where they went onto stomp every single opponent they got. And yes, we knew what Erza was upto. She was working with Crime sorciere, and was in fact the one who contacted Gray to infiltrate the Avatar cult. Aside from that, we knew she was working in a case slop. For an Erza fan, you miss a lot of stuff about her lol.

Something obviously should come out of it, but knowing Mashima, I'll not fault you for being suspicious. We expected a lot from END and Gray plotline, nothing came out of it. Expected a lot from GOI & Serena, nothing came out of it. So yea, maybe you're justified in being suspicious. But the fact remains, she has something going on for her at the moment. While Gray has nothing.

 

[jetblackwings]

An afterthought? Are you nuts? First off, how is Gray getting a new form of magic? It's still Ice magic ain't it? It doesn't even look particularly different, the only thing it's really changed is that his Ice sword is a katana now. Erza gets a variety of different designs with a variety of different effects, and I can tell you as someone who draws a fair amount, designing armors like Erza's takes an incomparably long amount of time compared to the new shit Gray get's, Gray's new magic is basically just a rough silhouette of an object colored white, even a noob like me could come up with that shit in two seconds. The love Mashima gives Erza's magic is far and away the greatest in the manga, it's the most difficult, complicated, time consuming and requires the most artistic talent. The only character that rivals the love Erza's magic gets is Lucy, the main character of the story.

Where have you been? Erza barely uses those armors, she always fights in flame pants which I'm sure aren't difficult to draw. Actually Erza has the most interesting and versatile magic, it has so much potential but Mashima never bothers to use it properly. Instead, he just has her power through whatever is thrown at her in flame pants. Also, wasn't the point of Gray vs Thunder legion that Freed cancelled his ice magic so he used DeS instead?

What? Cause she was was fetishized? Mashima does that to everyone, do you remember Larcade lol? He basically raped the whole battlefield, though Erza funnily enough wasnt included.

Not to the extent he does with Erza, she was literally getting tortured naked in a fetishy way for several chapters. That never happened to anyone else. There was a scene where Jellal was tortured half naked in prison and the scenes looked VERY different. You could actually feel sorry for the guy without getting uncomfortable with the obvious fetishization.

What's the point in having continuous battles if they all suck? I'd take a single great fight for Gray over all the trash he got this arc. He hasn't even gotten to take his revenge on Skullion yet, unlike Erza and Kyria. So yeah, I want a great battle for Gray.

This is basically how I feel about Erza's fights in alvarez but everyone keeps saying "buT ErzA Had THreE FigHTs". At least Gray won his and still has time to take revenge on Skullion. Erza rematch with Ajeel or Neinheart will never happen.

Oh and for Gray, of course he got a long battle in Tartaros, it was his dad, how many chapters do you think Erza had with Eileen? Besides, Gray got shafted in the previous arc, and he was meant to be the central figure of Tartaros, Erza stepping down for his moment is what should have happened, though she still got tons of panel time.

Natsu, Lucy and even Wendy all got longer and more plot relevant fights than Erza too tho.

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Erza got enchantment as well, not just swords. And again, swords ARE her magic dude, how else will you upgrade requip? All you can do is give her more armour and magic
Gray and Lucy got new forms, but they're still same magic. Only Gray arguably got a new ability - the DeS magic, which Erza now has as well lmao. Lucy's magic is still celestial magic
And guess what, Lucy is still almost always useless in combat, my guy. And gets shafted in fights all the times.

You could say the same for Lucy though, keys and summoning are her magic but Mashima still found a way to upgrade it. He could've thought up something for Erza if he cared. Give her some deadly weapons other than swords, or just an armor that won't get immediately destroyed.
Apparently some people have claimed Erza learning enchantment was a mistranslation. If she really did get it that's cool and all but he still didn't bother to give her anything in the main story.

Yeah the character who gets second most fights in almost all arcs, and second most screen time also in almost all major arcs, is treated as an afterthought. Seriously?

When did Erza get more fights than anyone else? Usually every character gets one fight except Natsu who gets two.
Yes she's treated as an afterthought, her connection to Irene was completely irrelevant. She didn't get anything out of it, no power up, no family bond, not even a good fight.

Tartarus was arguably the only arc where she got less shine than Gray, since she became a part of the crew. Big deal dude, Gray got the shine in one arc instead of Erza. And even in Tartarus, she got to defeat buffed Minerva and Kyouka (who's the strongest or second strongest DG).

She got less shine than ANY main character. Erza vs Minerva was off screened. Don't complain about Gray vs Mira if you think Erza vs Minerva is something to be happy about. Because Erza vs Kyouka was so hyped with her being one of the strongest DGs, it shouldn't have been so short and half assed.

Don't even speak about Alverass again. She got THREE Spriggan fights, and got injected into dragon Slayer lore. While the destined fight built up and hyped for Gray against END, for years at that point, was STOPPED and RUINED by....... Erza's friendship
Erza vs Laxus >>> anything Gray got in this arc. It was the only decent fight she got?

Three fights where she just got her ass kicked. The Dragon Slayer lore did nothing for Erza's character. Gray vs END was forced anyway.

Yea, Erza had a great fight, and lost (which STILL got freaking excused by Mashima and turned into a "draw".........you now see my point about Mashima protecting her image? Even when she loses, she doesn't. She never loses clean, and never will in the future)
Also, this is freaking LAXUS we're talking about here. The fact that she got buffed by her new powerups, to the point where she could give Laxus, the "monster" of the guild, a run for his money, speaks volumes.
And yea dude, Gray won against 3 irrelevant characters (only Freed arguably is even remotely a threat). And got OFF SCREEN fight against Mira & Elfman, where Mashima did everything in his power to take away any credit Gray got from there.
His final opponent was confirmed fodder (like fodderhart, strong summons but weak self), and was underwhelming to the point he got one shot by base Gray (who is confirmed fodder at this point)
This is a pretty fair trade? Lmfao. ALL of them are TRASH.
What do I want from him? A DECENT ON-SCREEN FIGHT?

Wendy gave her the dragon slayer seal. That's outside help.
Manga mentions Erza learned enchantment and enchanted the swords herself IIRC. She did the enchantment herself, but she used Natsu's and Gray's magic; this magic power is external help, since she'd still need Natsu and Gray to give her their powers to enchant her sword even though the enchantment itself was done by her. Anyway, this point would be irrelevant if these swords become a permanent part of her arsenal.

Erza was also described as a monster many times.
Erza had no way of knowing she would face off against Laxus to ask Natsu and Gray for their magic beforehand, they didn't give her their powers, she used her own.

NOBODY cares about Avatar arc, it was an "arc" made to just showcase the improvement of team Natsu, where they went onto stomp every single opponent they got. And yes, we knew what Erza was upto. She was working with Crime sorciere, and was in fact the one who contacted Gray to infiltrate the Avatar cult. Aside from that, we knew she was working in a case slop. For an Erza fan, you miss a lot of stuff about her lol.

She had one panel where she mentioned she worked with Jellal, other characters had entire chapters dedicated to what they were doing.

 

[Seven777]

Where have you been? Erza barely uses those armors, she always fights in flame pants which I'm sure aren't difficult to draw. Actually Erza has the most interesting and versatile magic, it has so much potential but Mashima never bothers to use it properly. Instead, he just has her power through whatever is thrown at her in flame pants. Also, wasn't the point of Gray vs Thunder legion that Freed cancelled his ice magic so he used DeS instead?


Not to the extent he does with Erza, she was literally getting tortured naked in a fetishy way for several chapters. That never happened to anyone else. There was a scene where Jellal was tortured half naked in prison and the scenes looked VERY different. You could actually feel sorry for the guy without getting uncomfortable with the obvious fetishization.


This is basically how I feel about Erza's fights in alvarez but everyone keeps saying "buT ErzA Had THreE FigHTs". At least Gray won his and still has time to take revenge on Skullion. Erza rematch with Ajeel or Neinheart will never happen.


Natsu, Lucy and even Wendy all got longer and more plot relevant fights than Erza too tho.

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You could say the same for Lucy though, keys and summoning are her magic but Mashima still found a way to upgrade it. He could've thought up something for Erza if he cared. Give her some deadly weapons other than swords, or just an armor that won't get immediately destroyed.
Apparently some people have claimed Erza learning enchantment was a mistranslation. If she really did get it that's cool and all but he still didn't bother to give her anything in the main story.


When did Erza get more fights than anyone else? Usually every character gets one fight except Natsu who gets two.
Yes she's treated as an afterthought, her connection to Irene was completely irrelevant. She didn't get anything out of it, no power up, no family bond, not even a good fight.


She got less shine than ANY main character. Erza vs Minerva was off screened. Don't complain about Gray vs Mira if you think Erza vs Minerva is something to be happy about. Because Erza vs Kyouka was so hyped with her being one of the strongest DGs, it shouldn't have been so short and half assed.


Three fights where she just got her ass kicked. The Dragon Slayer lore did nothing for Erza's character. Gray vs END was forced anyway.


Erza was also described as a monster many times.
Erza had no way of knowing she would face off against Laxus to ask Natsu and Gray for their magic beforehand, they didn't give her their powers, she used her own.


She had one panel where she mentioned she worked with Jellal, other characters had entire chapters dedicated to what they were doing.

Of course not, drawing those armors in all those panels from different angles and poses would be a monumental effort. Spending the time on it for the original series would be a huge investment given Mashima's weekly schedule, let alone in this new side project that he does on top of his new weekly manga.
As for Gray and the thunder legion, you mean when he just put on the mark and used his fist to beat them down? Wow, so much love...

Obviously, Erza is a woman, Jellal is not. Mashima, as far as I'm aware is a straight dude, he's not gonna get any enjoyment out of fetishizing Jellal. You can see it with Larcade too, other than maybe Laxus it was all the sexy chicks getting lewd content, the rest were all comedy.

Erza's fight with Ajeel was one of the best spriggan fights in Alvarez. Neinhart sucked for everyone involved. Eileen was trash, but Mashima clearly put the effort in. I don't see why she needs a rematch with Ajeel or Neinhart, she beat Ajeel fair and square in a pretty clever way that suits her character nicely, and against Neinhart she had him shitting his pants so hard that when Eileen ordered him to kill her he was too afraid.

Natsu and Lucy should have longer and more plot relevant fights than Erza, they're the main characters. And it's one of the few times Lucy has outshined Erza, it should happen much more often, the manga would probably be a lot better if Natsu and Erza gave some of their panel time to Lucy. As for Wendy, no she didn't, her fight was both shorter and less relevant in Tartaros and in Alvarez.

 

[yutu]

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The questions I didn't like:

What are erza's favorite flowers? They really asked mashima that question.

On youtube this question was asked to ANN connection.
"What on earth made you guys ask Mashima what Erza's favorite flowers are? What the hell? Even Mashima was taken aback."

and their answer: He knew and approved the questions in advance. He wasn't surprised by it at all. We included it because a reader submitted it and it's fun to include light-hearted questions.

I also had the impression that he was surprised and looking for an answer to this question. Okay I'll make my conspirator lol if he knows this question before why I felt like he was having a hard time finding an answer to this question.

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[GL_Nova]

What will make the haters go 'crazy' is not greater power levels but good writing.

That’s not true, this sequel has been pretty good and EZ is firing on all cylinders and nobody cares. It’s popular to hate on his works for the hell of it. So yeah. Some solid moon or planetary feats to show their favorites lose too them would be amazing fun on the battle boards for a few months.

 

[Ramen]

That’s not true, this sequel has been pretty good and EZ is firing on all cylinders and nobody cares. It’s popular to hate on his works for the hell of it. So yeah. Some solid moon or planetary feats to show their favorites lose too them would be amazing fun on the battle boards for a few months.

Their best bet would be AP instead of DC.

 

[Newperson00]

That’s not true, this sequel has been pretty good and EZ is firing on all cylinders and nobody cares. It’s popular to hate on his works for the hell of it. So yeah. Some solid moon or planetary feats to show their favorites lose too them would be amazing fun on the battle boards for a few months.

I'm glad people are liking EZ I found it interesting when I've read the first 35 chapters then for me I didn't like the direction it's going , But I did force myself to read up to 97 chapters then I stopped I suppose it wasn't for me I don't like the Space setting that much but I had to force to read so I don't get responds like ( You have no right to judge it since you've not read enough ) in case that happend again


@Ramen + I did say ( hopefully Mystogan won't be involved with a ship there's enough of them as it is ) I haven't said I ship Kyria x Laxus x Mira
That's what people are shipping elsewhere I've seen I thought I'd share it

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This is getting weird but whatever.

 

[VG1989]

I found it interesting when I've read the first 35 chapters then for me I didn't like the direction it's going , But I did force myself to read up to 97 chapters then I stopped I suppose it wasn't for me I don't like the Space setting that much but I had to force to read so I don't get responds like ( You have no right to judge it since you've not read enough ) in case that happend again

Kinda same for me, I on the other hand grew up on space and robots (Power rangers, Voltron, transformers, Grendizer, Tenchi muyo, etc). but could not get into EZ (just like you had interest at first, but lost interest as it went on), in fact I grew to dislike it. Some choices were awful, and constant shade thrown at FT by it fans and manga (DJ crews talk about "this is not fun and game adventure" and Happys "We won By Teamwork"). it fell into "Just another shonen" category (in worst way possible). in fact it uses stuff that was done better in other manga (among them FT as well)Cough Time reversal Cough. I meanly look at to see Hiros art and nothing more.
meanwhile here even after abysmal Alvarez arc I'm still invested, and some stuff was rewarded (Irene is back, Gruvia moment, Laxus vs Erza) even if there are hicups (Wrath, Wendy's Dragon Seal, Offpannel fights). FT is great when it is done good, when bad it is fun at how bad (FH Zeref). Ez just exists, I'm not even looking forward for the Anime.

 

[Reblowp]

uses stuff that was done better in other manga (among them FT as well)Cough Time reversal Cough.

I disagree. The Eclipse arc is literally bottom-tier FT arc, the worst one after Alvarez. Time-travel was handled poorly, out of nowhere. It's not better than how the time related stuff works in EZ, not even close. In my opinion.

 

[jetblackwings]

Of course not, drawing those armors in all those panels from different angles and poses would be a monumental effort. Spending the time on it for the original series would be a huge investment given Mashima's weekly schedule, let alone in this new side project that he does on top of his new weekly manga.
As for Gray and the thunder legion, you mean when he just put on the mark and used his fist to beat them down? Wow, so much love...

Obviously, Erza is a woman, Jellal is not. Mashima, as far as I'm aware is a straight dude, he's not gonna get any enjoyment out of fetishizing Jellal. You can see it with Larcade too, other than maybe Laxus it was all the sexy chicks getting lewd content, the rest were all comedy.

Erza's fight with Ajeel was one of the best spriggan fights in Alvarez. Neinhart sucked for everyone involved. Eileen was trash, but Mashima clearly put the effort in. I don't see why she needs a rematch with Ajeel or Neinhart, she beat Ajeel fair and square in a pretty clever way that suits her character nicely, and against Neinhart she had him shitting his pants so hard that when Eileen ordered him to kill her he was too afraid.

Natsu and Lucy should have longer and more plot relevant fights than Erza, they're the main characters. And it's one of the few times Lucy has outshined Erza, it should happen much more often, the manga would probably be a lot better if Natsu and Erza gave some of their panel time to Lucy. As for Wendy, no she didn't, her fight was both shorter and less relevant in Tartaros and in Alvarez.

Then don't use those armors as an argument if Mashima can't even be bothered to draw them most the time?

That's the point. He shouldn't fetishize characters during what should be serious moments, if he does it's fair to say he treats those characters like trash.

This is the kind of reputation Erza vs Ajeel has made. Because of all her failures in alvarez now people claim everyone is stronger than her. A mage of her caliber shouldn't have lost all those fights.

Lucy can't outshine Erza often because she's simply weaker, that's how it's been from the start. It's silly to expect better feats from Lucy, she was never meant to be a top fighter in the first place.

Chapters focused on Wendy's big fight during Tartaros - 376, 377, 378; chapters focused on Erza's big fight - 403, 404.
Also Erza's fight was made irrelevant when she failed to stop FACE but it didn't matter anyway cause the dragons destroyed them (? I think, I ragequit the manga at this part).

 

[mwarren100]

Then don't use those armors as an argument if Mashima can't even be bothered to draw them most the time?

That's the point. He shouldn't fetishize characters during what should be serious moments, if he does it's fair to say he treats those characters like trash.

This is the kind of reputation Erza vs Ajeel has made. Because of all her failures in alvarez now people claim everyone is stronger than her. A mage of her caliber shouldn't have lost all those fights.

Lucy can't outshine Erza often because she's simply weaker, that's how it's been from the start. It's silly to expect better feats from Lucy, she was never meant to be a top fighter in the first place.

Chapters focused on Wendy's big fight during Tartaros - 376, 377, 378; chapters focused on Erza's big fight - 403, 404.
Also Erza's fight was made irrelevant when she failed to stop FACE but it didn't matter anyway cause the dragons destroyed them (? I think, I ragequit the manga at this part).

Lucy should outshine erza and become a topfighter.

 

[jetblackwings]

Lucy should outshine erza and become a topfighter.

That would be straight up bs. Erza was a warrior since she was little, Lucy had no training or experience until she was 17.

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

I'm glad people are liking EZ I found it interesting when I've read the first 35 chapters then for me I didn't like the direction it's going , But I did force myself to read up to 97 chapters then I stopped I suppose it wasn't for me I don't like the Space setting that much but I had to force to read so I don't get responds like ( You have no right to judge it since you've not read enough ) in case that happend again


@Ramen + I did say ( hopefully Mystogan won't be involved with a ship there's enough of them as it is ) I haven't said I ship Kyria x Laxus x Mira
That's what people are shipping elsewhere I've seen I thought I'd share it

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This is getting weird but whatever.

The problem with Eden's Zero is that Mashima is basically writing and drawing a fantasy located into a sci fi world, and not a properly sci-fi.
By the way I too enjoyed the first chapters, then it gone down pretty fast as I recognized the same old Trollshima's game.

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I disagree. The Eclipse arc is literally bottom-tier FT arc, the worst one after Alvarez. Time-travel was handled poorly, out of nowhere. It's not better than how the time related stuff works in EZ, not even close. In my opinion.

The Games Arc is underrated while 100 Years Quest is way ovverrated imho.

 

[Dimitri1220]

The problem with Eden's Zero is that Mashima is basically writing and drawing a fantasy located into a sci fi world, and not a properly sci-fi.
By the way I too enjoyed the first chapters, then it gone down pretty fast as I recognized the same old Trollshima's game.

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The Games Arc is underrated while 100 Years Quest is way ovverrated imho.

Edens Zero is better than Fairy Tail in terms of writing and Hiro hasn't used any PoF and everything's been well explained so far so I dont know what you guys are talking about.

 

[Ramen]

Edens Zero isetter than Fairy Tail in terms of writing

Preach!!!!

 

[Dimitri1220]

Preach!!!!

Lol I submitted by accident so I had to go back and edit it.

 

[Ramen]

Lol I submitted by accident so I had to go back and edit it.

Question: Are you form CV? I think I've seen someone there with the same username.

 

[Dimitri1220]

Question: Are you form CV? I think I've seen someone there with the same username.

Yea I am lol. It's a shit show but I like to entertain myself sometimes. Are you on there too?

 

[Ramen]

Yea I am lol. It's a shit show but I like to entertain myself sometimes. Are you on there too?

I was. My username was ElfWho but deleted my account when I saw people say Primebeard solos FT or that Acno is a mountain buster at best. Downplay was too much for me.

 

[Dimitri1220]

I was. My username was ElfWho but deleted my account when I saw people say Primebeard solos FT or that Acno is a mountain buster at best. Downplay was too much for me.

Oh I think I remember seeing you at some point. And yea, FT downplay is horrendous in that site.