Hangout Fairy Tail Hangout Thread

[strikefreedom]

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[Brandish μ]

Mirajane?

 

[VG1989]

Mira and Erza.

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I did some checking on my comment history
The Twist in Space Manga, I called it by chapter 15

Spoiler

It is before time travel BS was introduced (so my take was different), yet I feel no joy in guessing it

like I said

so far I was right about her personality being similar to Cannas
also about whole Reborn thing
My theory is Shiki is his Grandfather, what I mean is Ziggy is a robot with Shikis memories before reaching Mother and that's where her (Mothers) question about Shiki comes from.

Ok, good chapter theres nothing to add
what I want to talk about is
My theory on Shiki being reborn Ziggy is getting more hints, E4 (Witch) comented on Happys memories transferred over. So I'm sticking with the "Demon King" is an android with Pre-reborn Shikis memories.
Hating Lubilia is so easy for me cause she looks like Wendy, in fact she is Wendy with her true inner self out and not hiding behind her "cutsei wutsei" moe shtick, a fortunate brat that gets her way, but sadly she is probably going to be saved (in this arc) and become a member of the team. as to why she is being kidnapped, next chapters title gives me hint of someone collecting celebrities via Collector from Marvel.

Unlike Natsu twist which only got figured out by Tartaros Arc (Etherios form was a big hint), or DS time travel forward which nobody figured that out.

 

[Velvet-Demon]

Mira and Erza.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 20, 2022, Original Post Date: Aug 20, 2022 ---

I did some checking on my comment history
The Twist in Space Manga, I called it by chapter 15

Spoiler

It is before time travel BS was introduced (so my take was different), yet I feel no joy in guessing it

Unlike Natsu twist which only got figured out by Tartaros Arc (Etherios form was a big hint), or DS time travel forward which nobody figured that out.

And unlike Natsu twist Shiki's one have big consequences in his universe also of course nobody figure out for END because it's FT the manga with nothing planned ans when I see how END was use very poorly and badly it's make me laugh when I heard Mashima said he planned Natsu's backstory plus how he try to make END appear in 100 years quest when it will be a big bullshit because the demon seed was destroy and we saw that.

So to make it simple Shiki twist >>>>>>> to Natsu one.

And more funny one is going to give us some character developpement (Shiki and the others characters) and the other one nothing happened like from the point of view of the other character it's something like this, "oh Natsu is a demon oh well no problem", plus the dumb Natsu's quote "I'm human no demon or dragon", yeah sure if it's character developpement then it's very very bad you could make something very good with END but nope , it's will always be something wasted and nothing could save it like many things in FT.

 

[Aniokku]

And unlike Natsu twist Shiki's one have big consequences in his universe also of course nobody figure out for END because it's FT the manga with nothing planned ans when I see how END was use very poorly and badly it's make me laugh when I heard Mashima said he planned Natsu's backstory plus how he try to make END appear in 100 years quest when it will be a big bullshit because the demon seed was destroy and we saw that.

So to make it simple Shiki twist >>>>>>> to Natsu one.

And more funny one is going to give us some character developpement (Shiki and the others characters) and the other one nothing happened like from the point of view of the other character it's something like this, "oh Natsu is a demon oh well no problem", plus the dumb Natsu's quote "I'm human no demon or dragon", yeah sure if it's character developpement then it's very very bad you could make something very good with END but nope , it's will always be something wasted and nothing could save it like many things in FT.

If you know that Natsu will always be END?. Even if natsu says he's human, he really will still be a demon. why? because that's how he was born, he may live as a human, but he was born from a test tube with the remains of zeref's brother. Even with demon seed destroyed (which was metaphorical, because the dragon seed was also destroyed, but he still has dragon slayer powers, so it would make sense that he still has demon powers) he will always be a demon who lives as human. while shiki can still change his future, ziggy is just a version of him from 20,00 years in the future, surely shiki will try to avoid that, he still has a chance not to become ziggy while natsu will always be a demon because it is something that already It happened and there is no way to change it.

And seeing the reaction of the fandom, it was more shocking that END was Natsu than Ziggy is Shiki

And if mashima decides to develop Natsu (END) in the sequel, surely we will all gladly accept it, because it is better late than never and it would be nice to see some development in Natsu

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*I think*
Chapter 101 foreshadowed Ignia´s defeat when Natsu said *Do I have to learn Water Magic*

He will get defeated by Lucy and Natsu

Lucy with Aqua´s Water powers
and Natsu
And Since Ueda and Mashima favor Lucy and they very much confirmed Lucy is the MC in the Space Twitter
That wouldn´t leave out the possibity of Ignia´s defeat will be done by Lucy and Natsu..

I will read some chapters to see how Dogramag fight will go then drop it
Not worth my time.

I would love to see that, I think we have never seen a final battle where Natsu and Lucy are a team

 

[Velvet-Demon]

If you know that Natsu will always be END?. Even if natsu says he's human, he really will still be a demon. why? because that's how he was born, he may live as a human, but he was born from a test tube with the remains of zeref's brother. Even with demon seed destroyed (which was metaphorical, because the dragon seed was also destroyed, but he still has dragon slayer powers, so it would make sense that he still has demon powers) he will always be a demon who lives as human. while shiki can still change his future, ziggy is just a version of him from 20,00 years in the future, surely shiki will try to avoid that, he still has a chance not to become ziggy while natsu will always be a demon because it is something that already It happened and there is no way to change it.

And seeing the reaction of the fandom, it was more shocking that END was Natsu than Ziggy is Shiki

And if mashima decides to develop Natsu (END) in the sequel, surely we will all gladly accept it, because it is better late than never and it would be nice to see some development in Natsu

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I would love to see that, I think we have never seen a final battle where Natsu and Lucy are a team

In Tartaros arc everybody said Natsu was END.

Remember FT and character developpement it's like hoping for a good scenario almost impossible especially if it's Natsu because it's too late for something or nobody care anymore because when you have a character with the same behavior for 600 and more chapters it's useless to try change him.

 

[Aniokku]

In Tartaros arc everybody said Natsu was END.

Remember FT and character developpement it's like hoping for a good scenario almost impossible especially if it's Natsu because it's too late for something or nobody care anymore because when you have a character with the same behavior for 600 and more chapters it's useless to try change him.

Like I said before, better late than never. Also, if no one cared like you say, then no one would see/buy YQ100. Guess what, YQ100 outsells EZ.
It means that there are quite a few people interested in the sequel and its characters. If you want, speak for yourself, we already know that you do not expect anything

 

[Velvet-Demon]

Like I said before, better late than never. Also, if no one cared like you say, then no one would see/buy YQ100. Guess what, YQ100 outsells EZ. It means that there are quite a few people interested in the sequel and its characters. If you want, speak for yourself, we already know that you do not expect anything

Guess what 100 yq outsells EZ means nothing (especially if we talk about quality that's the proof it means nothing), people only continue to buy this sequel because of ships that's all.

And of course I expected nothing when it's FT because I know Mashima will do nothing great or good like his two others manga, I'm not blind or naive, everytime he pull something in the end it's just a dispointement .

 

[Aniokku]

Guess what 100 yq outsells EZ means nothing (especially if we talk about quality that's the proof it means nothing), people only continue to buy this sequel because of ships that's all.

And of course I expected nothing when it's FT because I know Mashima will do nothing great or good like his two others manga, I'm not blind or naive, everytime he pull something in the end it's just a dispointement .

Yes, it means something, and that is that there are more people interested in YQ100 than in EZ, regardless of the reason (romance, dragons, END, development, etc) never mind that, the point is that EZ unfortunately failed to hook readers, even offering a better narrative. And do you know why? Because the narrative quality is not the only value that a work has to say if it is bad or not, the transcendental and the message that it sends to the readers is also an important factor. And in that attribute, FT did better than EZ.

If you don't expect anything from FT, what are you doing here? You have not realized that the forum is called "Fairy Tail Hangout Thread" and not "Edens Zero Hangout Thread", also do not try to sell us EZ as Rave Master 2.0 because it is more "a Fairy Tail in space" (but not as "exciting")


PS: according to you, then the FT couples generate more hype and sales than the supposed best Mashima series? LOL

 

[Velvet-Demon]

Yes, it means something, and that is that there are more people interested in YQ100 than in EZ, regardless of the reason (romance, dragons, END, development, etc) never mind that, the point is that EZ unfortunately failed to hook readers, even offering a better narrative. And do you know why? Because the narrative quality is not the only value that a work has to say if it is bad or not, the transcendental and the message that it sends to the readers is also an important factor. And in that attribute, FT did better than EZ.

If you don't expect anything from FT, what are you doing here? You have not realized that the forum is called "Fairy Tail Hangout Thread" and not "Edens Zero Hangout Thread", also do not try to sell us EZ as Rave Master 2.0 because it is more "a Fairy Tail in space" (but not as "exciting")


PS: according to you, then the FT couples generate more hype and sales than the supposed best Mashima series? LOL

"Yes, it means something, and that is that there are more people interested in YQ100 than in EZ, regardless of the reason (romance, dragons, END, development, etc)" funny because it failed in every single way, bad romance, dragons inexistant and uninteresting and END is a trash plot who completly flop and I don't how the message is transcendal more like family friendly and the world is beautiful and everything is okay.

And yes you can't deny the truth EZ is a true successor to RM , FT failed to be this successor I know it's hard to accept but that's the reality and again sales means nothing , the best exemple is Demon Slayer, basic story and all but succesfull only because of his anime.

And finally if I stay here it's only because FT is the manga who make enter in the world of mangas and all but now there are nothing who can be saved now I just want to see how it can become more bad than Alvarez and see the author destroy his so called best and succesfull work .

 

[VG1989]

Yes, it means something, and that is that there are more people interested in YQ100 than in EZ, regardless of the reason (romance, dragons, END, development, etc) never mind that, the point is that EZ unfortunately failed to hook readers, even offering a better narrative. And do you know why? Because the narrative quality is not the only value that a work has to say if it is bad or not, the transcendental and the message that it sends to the readers is also an important factor. And in that attribute, FT did better than EZ.

If you don't expect anything from FT, what are you doing here? You have not realized that the forum is called "Fairy Tail Hangout Thread" and not "Edens Zero Hangout Thread", also do not try to sell us EZ as Rave Master 2.0 because it is more "a Fairy Tail in space" (but not as "exciting")


PS: according to you, then the FT couples generate more hype and sales than the supposed best Mashima series? LOL

"Yes, it means something, and that is that there are more people interested in YQ100 than in EZ, regardless of the reason (romance, dragons, END, development, etc)" funny because it failed in every single way, bad romance, dragons inexistant and uninteresting and END is a trash plot who completly flop and I don't how the message is transcendal more like family friendly and the world is beautiful and everything is okay.

And yes you can't deny the truth EZ is a true successor to RM , FT failed to be this successor I know it's hard to accept but that's the reality and again sales means nothing , the best exemple is Demon Slayer, basic story and all but succesfull only because of his anime.

And finally if I stay here it's only because FT is the manga who make enter in the world of mangas and all but now there are nothing who can be saved now I just want to see how it can become more bad than Alvarez and see the author destroy his so called best and succesfull work .

@Aniokku It's pointless, his argument is baisically "It's better, Because I SAY IT IS".

So here is an actual example (and comparison) of when sails can't show how good manga is
Iruma-kun was done by NISHI Osamu, he prior had only one manga, it lasted 3 volumes (11 chapters) and has no Anime. No one knew him as you can see from the chart manga was having no attention. than it got animated. As someone who watched it while its good Animation, there was no Demon Slayer ep 19 in it. Yet look how sails jumps. Simple answer: it needed exposure, Anime did its job and it's in a top Selling competition.
And look at Space Manga, Hiro had done a lot mangas prior, 2 of which were over 200 chapters and had anime, one of those was Animated compliteley and has 2 Movies. Fact that Sales did not change after Anime only solidifies it's poor quality. it reached It's limit and is now surviving only because of Hiros popularity. he was promoting and advertising it like crazy, At promotion of FT final season he talked more about Space Manga and asked people to buy it, He put Space Shiki in Heros, instead of Monster Hunter Orage MC Shiki (People expected him).
Bottom line: "Sales not being proof" work only if Author is a nobody with no prior big work to give people reason to check his work.
Hiro is definitely popular, and has a large fan base, So I doubt people not gave it a chance.
Also FT never aimed to be Raves "Successor", It was its own thing, earned everything by it's own. Space Manga needs cameos, references, recycled plots and designs of its predecessors to just stay afloat.

PS
Demon Slayer had a great story, it was not perfect had its issues and was rushed at the end, if it was as bad as those people said Good Animation would not saved it.

 

[Aniokku]

@Aniokku It's pointless, his argument is baisically "It's better, Because I SAY IT IS".

So here is an actual example (and comparison) of when sails can't show how good manga is
Iruma-kun was done by NISHI Osamu, he prior had only one manga, it lasted 3 volumes (11 chapters) and has no Anime. No one knew him as you can see from the chart manga was having no attention. than it got animated. As someone who watched it while its good Animation, there was no Demon Slayer ep 19 in it. Yet look how sails jumps. Simple answer: it needed exposure, Anime did its job and it's in a top Selling competition.
And look at Space Manga, Hiro had done a lot mangas prior, 2 of which were over 200 chapters and had anime, one of those was Animated compliteley and has 2 Movies. Fact that Sales did not change after Anime only solidifies it's poor quality. it reached It's limit and is now surviving only because of Hiros popularity. he was promoting and advertising it like crazy, At promotion of FT final season he talked more about Space Manga and asked people to buy it, He put Space Shiki in Heros, instead of Monster Hunter Orage MC Shiki (People expected him).
Bottom line: "Sales not being proof" work only if Author is a nobody with no prior big work to give people reason to check his work.
Hiro is definitely popular, and has a large fan base, So I doubt people not gave it a chance.
Also FT never aimed to be Raves "Successor", It was its own thing, earned everything by it's own. Space Manga needs cameos, references, recycled plots and designs of its predecessors to just stay afloat.

PS
Demon Slayer had a great story, it was not perfect had its issues and was rushed at the end, if it was as bad as those people said Good Animation would not saved it.

@Aniokku It's pointless, his argument is basically "It's better, Because I SAY IT IS". LOL

I didn't think it was necessary to argue "why" in some respects FT is better. I assumed we all knew how far FT has come.
For example, being recognized by the President of France:


This is what I mean by being "transcendental"

PS: Mairimashita Iruma-kun is very good <3

 

[Velvet-Demon]

@Aniokku It's pointless, his argument is baisically "It's better, Because I SAY IT IS".

So here is an actual example (and comparison) of when sails can't show how good manga is
Iruma-kun was done by NISHI Osamu, he prior had only one manga, it lasted 3 volumes (11 chapters) and has no Anime. No one knew him as you can see from the chart manga was having no attention. than it got animated. As someone who watched it while its good Animation, there was no Demon Slayer ep 19 in it. Yet look how sails jumps. Simple answer: it needed exposure, Anime did its job and it's in a top Selling competition.
And look at Space Manga, Hiro had done a lot mangas prior, 2 of which were over 200 chapters and had anime, one of those was Animated compliteley and has 2 Movies. Fact that Sales did not change after Anime only solidifies it's poor quality. it reached It's limit and is now surviving only because of Hiros popularity. he was promoting and advertising it like crazy, At promotion of FT final season he talked more about Space Manga and asked people to buy it, He put Space Shiki in Heros, instead of Monster Hunter Orage MC Shiki (People expected him).
Bottom line: "Sales not being proof" work only if Author is a nobody with no prior big work to give people reason to check his work.
Hiro is definitely popular, and has a large fan base, So I doubt people not gave it a chance.
Also FT never aimed to be Raves "Successor", It was its own thing, earned everything by it's own. Space Manga needs cameos, references, recycled plots and designs of its predecessors to just stay afloat.

PS
Demon Slayer had a great story, it was not perfect had its issues and was rushed at the end, if it was as bad as those people said Good Animation would not saved it.

"Space Manga needs cameos, references, recycled plots and designs of its predecessors to just stay afloat." Cameos and references are not a problem , there is no recycled plot and great you just learn what is a star system like Tezuka did with the designs same for Albator's author, and finally the space manga have a name it's Edens Zero and yes it's better than FT in every single way just accept it because at least there are consequences and character developpementnot like the other one and again sales means nothing that the most dumb argument to use to give some credit to your own ones it's like "hey look my manga sale better than your're one so mine is better lol"

Also if Mashima put Shiki from EZ in Heroes and not the one from Monster Hunter Orage it's because this Shiki and all the characters belongs to Bandai Namco since he make a manga with the name Monster Hunter a Bandai Namco licence same for the Dragon Quest XI and Call of Duty one and same thing for Gate of Nightmare Mashima make the designs for the characters but they belongs to Square Enix that's the reason .

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@Aniokku It's pointless, his argument is basically "It's better, Because I SAY IT IS". LOL

I didn't think it was necessary to argue "why" in some respects FT is better. I assumed we all knew how far FT has come.
For example, being recognized by the President of France:


This is what I mean by being "transcendental"

PS: Mairimashita Iruma-kun is very good <3

Being reconize by this clown like we french peoples we care about what he think LOL. Like use what this liar said just make you lost all credibilty he only said this to obtain the young peoples votes you're very naive if you think he is serious, aIso I've already said why EZ is better , better plot , characters and fights same for the univers and the world building and the romance .

 

[Steven]

Its a matter of fact EZ sells worse as 100YQ.

EZ has the better plot,yes,but FT has better character and a better cast.The Magic/Dragon theme is also more popular as Spacemangas.Just look at Fail 8.Made by Kishi,the creater of Naruto.It got axed because nobody cared about S8.

Im sure Hiros next manga will have again a fantasy setting

 

[Velvet-Demon]

Its a matter of fact EZ sells worse as 100YQ.

EZ has the better plot,yes,but FT has better character and a better cast.The Magic/Dragon theme is also more popular as Spacemangas.Just look at Fail 8.Made by Kishi,the creater of Naruto.It got axed because nobody cared about S8.

Im sure Hiros next manga will have again a fantasy setting

I'm not calling a character or a cast good when they have one arc and the rest of the story they stay the same (imagine Naruto being the same since chapter 1 and now in Boruto I think we can agree he will not be a good character , well you can applythe same thing for many FT charaters) and the only way the author find to continue to make them relevant is fan service or make them exist only by bad romance and things like this (like Jubia who only exist because of Grey without Grey she is nothing as a character and it's one of the fiew things to avoid when you write à character make him exist by an another one) .

For space manga in general I agree because you don't see anymore things like Cowboy Beebop, Albator, Ulysse 31 but maybe it will come back who knows.

 

[VG1989]

Its a matter of fact EZ sells worse as 100YQ.

EZ has the better plot,yes,but FT has better character and a better cast.The Magic/Dragon theme is also more popular as Spacemangas.Just look at Fail 8.Made by Kishi,the creater of Naruto.It got axed because nobody cared about S8.

Im sure Hiros next manga will have again a fantasy setting

Let me correct that, Its not Better rather it was More intriguing.
for example.
Like these:
Story A plot: Detectives solving a case.
Story B plot: Pirates finding treasure on Island.
A is more intriguing because of mystery and where it might lead (catching suspect, he runs away, hero kills him etc), B is more simple (Fights, traps, get treasure). If both done well, A has more advantages in being better. but if A is poorly done while B is solid at least, B is better.
what I'm saying it all comes down to executions.

 

[Newperson00]

If you know that Natsu will always be END?. Even if natsu says he's human, he really will still be a demon. why? because that's how he was born, he may live as a human, but he was born from a test tube with the remains of zeref's brother. Even with demon seed destroyed (which was metaphorical, because the dragon seed was also destroyed, but he still has dragon slayer powers, so it would make sense that he still has demon powers) he will always be a demon who lives as human. while shiki can still change his future, ziggy is just a version of him from 20,00 years in the future, surely shiki will try to avoid that, he still has a chance not to become ziggy while natsu will always be a demon because it is something that already It happened and there is no way to change it.

And seeing the reaction of the fandom, it was more shocking that END was Natsu than Ziggy is Shiki

And if mashima decides to develop Natsu (END) in the sequel, surely we will all gladly accept it, because it is better late than never and it would be nice to see some development in Natsu

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I would love to see that, I think we have never seen a final battle where Natsu and Lucy are a team

That would be cool
but I think I´m dropping the sequel after Dorgramag´s fight
Natsu and Lucy team up against Ignia seems like it could be a mess
because Igina wants a 1 vs 1 with Natsu
but it seems obvious since Mashima and Ueda *favor* Lucy
she will be involved...
But since Natsu is not a MC anymore maybe Mashima can allow Natsu to punch Female villians? he doesn´t have to worry about *Hero vs Female VIllian a no no*

 

[Aniokku]

That would be cool
but I think I´m dropping the sequel after Dorgramag´s fight
Natsu and Lucy team up against Ignia seems like it could be a mess
because Igina wants a 1 vs 1 with Natsu
but it seems obvious since Mashima and Ueda *favor* Lucy
she will be involved...
But since Natsu is not a MC anymore maybe Mashima can allow Natsu to punch Female villians? he doesn´t have to worry about *Hero vs Female VIllian a no no*

Well, there aren't many female villains. Although it would be great to see natsu fight against Selene in a 1 vs 1. But I prefer to see Lucy taking Selene for herself. It is very likely that she will not win but it would be great to see how lucy fights alone with a dragon.

 

[Newperson00]

Well, there aren't many female villains. Although it would be great to see natsu fight against Selene in a 1 vs 1. But I prefer to see Lucy taking Selene for herself. It is very likely that she will not win but it would be great to see how lucy fights alone with a dragon.

That would be Awesome to see

Also about Ignia
maybe when Selene starts dying in final battles she will give her temporary Moon Dragon Slayer Magic Moon + Water Star Dress Mix & Ignia Natsu flames = Ignia´s defeat
he was able to get damaged by Selene´s Moon magic when Ignia and Selene had a battle
The fight would be bad if it was normal flame Natsu except if it´s E.N.D flames

 

[diceroll812]

And unlike Natsu twist Shiki's one have big consequences in his universe also of course nobody figure out for END because it's FT the manga with nothing planned ans when I see how END was use very poorly and badly it's make me laugh when I heard Mashima said he planned Natsu's backstory plus how he try to make END appear in 100 years quest when it will be a big bullshit because the demon seed was destroy and we saw that.

So to make it simple Shiki twist >>>>>>> to Natsu one.

And more funny one is going to give us some character developpement (Shiki and the others characters) and the other one nothing happened like from the point of view of the other character it's something like this, "oh Natsu is a demon oh well no problem", plus the dumb Natsu's quote "I'm human no demon or dragon", yeah sure if it's character developpement then it's very very bad you could make something very good with END but nope , it's will always be something wasted and nothing could save it like many things in FT.

I'm not calling a character or a cast good when they have one arc and the rest of the story they stay the same (imagine Naruto being the same since chapter 1 and now in Boruto I think we can agree he will not be a good character , well you can applythe same thing for many FT charaters) and the only way the author find to continue to make them relevant is fan service or make them exist only by bad romance and things like this (like Jubia who only exist because of Grey without Grey she is nothing as a character and it's one of the fiew things to avoid when you write à character make him exist by an another one) .

For space manga in general I agree because you don't see anymore things like Cowboy Beebop, Albator, Ulysse 31 but maybe it will come back who knows.

There's some things wrong with this:

-Mashima might not have planned the ending of Fairy Tail but he did plan a lot of other aspects of the story, at least part of Natsu's story was decided long ago because there's tons of foreshadowing about the dragon slayers being from 400 years in the past really early on (Dragons are considered extinct, dragon slayer magic is considered lost magic, Natsu and Gajeel can't pass the rune of no statues and 80y+ people, Natsu remembers the name Wendy from somewhere,the dragon slayers not having a confirmed age, etc...).
Mashima is very honest about what he plans and what he doesn't, he was the one who said he didn't plan the ending and he was the one that said that most things about fairy tail where not set in stone but he also described his work process has "imagining a wide variety of possibilities", so he plans the story, only not on a linear and structured manner - the manga itself has foreshadowing and planned story arcs.

-The E.N.D storyline ended more faithful to the themes of the manga than if Natsu learned to harness and control his demonic side like every shonen mc ever. In a series that talks about moving forward and not be defined by superficial details, Natsu discovering that he is E.N.D and then saying "oh yeah that means, I'm a demon" doesn't make any sense. He says that he is human in the sense that having the knowledge of his origin doesn't change in anything the person that he is, and that person grew up as a human being, not a demon or a dragon.

-Natsu and the rest of the cast in general are very different people than those they were BOS, claiming they have no character development is plain wrong. You don't need to have a complete personality reversal to grow as a character and if you did, Naruto, Shiki and other MCs wouldn't qualify either (they matured with the story but a lot of their core personality traits remained).
Juvia is not a main character but she has moments that aren't tied to Gray (Tower of Heaven, Battle of Fairy Tail), has character interactions and relationships not tied to Gray (she was the one who recommended Gajeel for FT and she bonded with Melody, she also interacts normally with the rest of the cast), and on top of all that, character progression tied to another is not automatically bad.

Didn't need to respond to comments from August (not that long ago tho), but it baffles me how part of the Fairy Tail and Eden Zero fandoms feel the need to undermine a manga from the same author. There's nothing wrong with not liking one of them but i don't see any sense in going to the Hangout thread of the other ( or the correspondent in other forums and sites) and saying the manga is crap (even worse when making a comparison, thats just annoying).