Hangout Fairy Tail Hangout Thread

[VG1989]

Happy new year!

Has there been news on the anime adaptation?

Announcement was done too early, it was for anniversary. but it is in production (no studio or anything else revealed though).

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 3, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 31, 2022 ---

Wow Look at that, "The Company" Ordered him to draw different protagonists, Looks like Space Manga performance really got to them

 

[Velvet-Demon]

Happy new year!


Announcement was done too early, it was for anniversary. but it is in production (no studio or anything else revealed though).

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 3, 2023, Original Post Date: Dec 31, 2022 ---

Wow Look at that, "The Company" Ordered him to draw different protagonists, Looks like Space Manga performance really got to them

Happy new year.

Wow looks like each time Mashima said he want to make something different (plus he already said his next manga will be different from what he usually do )you always feel the need to said "oh look it's because EZ didn't sale like FT" (and that's not a problem) don't you have the impression to look like an idiot seriously I know it's hard for you to accept EZ is better than FT because Mashima takes more risk than FT, and also you know quality ≠ quantity also the company said a different work so it will be not a shonen maybe a romcom since there are a tons of them in WSM.

 

[VG1989]

Happy new year.

Wow looks like each time Mashima said he want to make something different (plus he already said his next manga will be different from what he usually do )you always feel the need to said "oh look it's because EZ didn't sale like FT" (and that's not a problem) don't you have the impression to look like an idiot seriously I know it's hard for you to accept EZ is better than FT because Mashima takes more risk than FT, and also you know quality ≠ quantity also the company said a different work so it will be not a shonen maybe a romcom since there are a tons of them in WSM.

So again we go "Its better because I say so", so than show me your pulitzer prize or other writer award that prove that your qualified to pass this judgment.
If not your words are no better than mine, mine are at least back up with facts and statistics.
More risks? as in let me kill off characters so i don't have to develop them.
better written? because it's planed out? What was it you were saying about Cure "Grey villain that surely important to story" he and Acnoelas fast defeat was planed from the start. Hiro announcing: "Cures backstory was made on the spot and Acnoella fight was supposed to be long and intense but cut short because of pacing", so much for planed. Funny, how Hiro unintentionally shuts down all his defenders

To prove that sales don't show quality you must present other proves like awards or ranks that make it substantial. The only 2 things I found about Space Manga is 10th most watched Late Night Anime episode in may 2021 and 8th most watched Animated show on Netflix in Colombia (or was it Costa-Rika sorry cant remember) for 1 week.

meanwhile FT
Fairy Tail won Best Manga Series of 2008 at the 2009 Anime & Manga Grand Prix held by French magazine AnimeLand. It also won the 2009 Kodansha Manga Award for shōnen manga. It also won Best Shōnen Manga at the 2009 Japan Expo Awards and also Volume 9 of the manga was nominated in the Youth Selection category at the 2010 Angoulême International Comics Festival. there are others but most of them include best selling so I wont include them.
Bottom line, FT partially succeeds in what it supposed to, While Space Manga not.
Your comparison and judgment is similar to saying some Random average Basketball player is better than Messi even thought he earns less money, purely because you like basketball more than soccer. Basketball player has no grand achievements aside from player of the match couple of times, While Messi has golden ball, boot, champions league and world cup.

Fact that he was "Ordered" to do differently and not decided on his own, is a subtle give away that higher ups aren't happy.

 

[Steven]

Fact that he was "Ordered" to do differently and not decided on his own, is a subtle give away that higher ups aren't happy.

Was he ordered to change them?I dont see the word ordered or forced

 

[Velvet-Demon]

So again we go "Its better because I say so", so than show me your pulitzer prize or other writer award that prove that your qualified to pass this judgment.
If not your words are no better than mine, mine are at least back up with facts and statistics.
More risks? as in let me kill off characters so i don't have to develop them.
better written? because it's planed out? What was it you were saying about Cure "Grey villain that surely important to story" he and Acnoelas fast defeat was planed from the start. Hiro announcing: "Cures backstory was made on the spot and Acnoella fight was supposed to be long and intense but cut short because of pacing", so much for planed. Funny, how Hiro unintentionally shuts down all his defenders

To prove that sales don't show quality you must present other proves like awards or ranks that make it substantial. The only 2 things I found about Space Manga is 10th most watched Late Night Anime episode in may 2021 and 8th most watched Animated show on Netflix in Colombia (or was it Costa-Rika sorry cant remember) for 1 week.

meanwhile FT
Fairy Tail won Best Manga Series of 2008 at the 2009 Anime & Manga Grand Prix held by French magazine AnimeLand. It also won the 2009 Kodansha Manga Award for shōnen manga. It also won Best Shōnen Manga at the 2009 Japan Expo Awards and also Volume 9 of the manga was nominated in the Youth Selection category at the 2010 Angoulême International Comics Festival. there are others but most of them include best selling so I wont include them.
Bottom line, FT partially succeeds in what it supposed to, While Space Manga not.
Your comparison and judgment is similar to saying some Random average Basketball player is better than Messi even thought he earns less money, purely because you like basketball more than soccer. Basketball player has no grand achievements aside from player of the match couple of times, While Messi has golden ball, boot, champions league and world cup.

Fact that he was "Ordered" to do differently and not decided on his own, is a subtle give away that higher ups aren't happy.

At least he kill characters and don't bring them back to life for no reason and "kill characters so I don't have to develop them" is the most dumb argument ever because now killing characters mean "I don't want to develop them" please are you trying to make me laugh with this ?

Funny how Cure is actually the only part he didn't planned but the rest yes he planned so if he didn't planned some other things so please tell me I'm curious (guess what you will not found because he planned the rest).

When a manga with it's anime get a rediffusion and soon a second season I think it's enough to said it's not a failure, try again.

And for the price pretty easy when it's the beginning of the manga but after it's the desert wonder why ? (oh yeah I know it's because it became very very bad for many reasons everyone know like inexistant plot, bland characters with no developpement, ect ect).

PS: Don't care about your comparaison with basketball and football I'm not watching any of them.

 

[VG1989]

Was he ordered to change them?I dont see the word ordered or forced

Please draw a work that is completely different from Mashima's previous works," was the company's order.

 

[Velvet-Demon]

Please draw a work that is completely different from Mashima's previous works," was the company's order.

Traduction: "try something like a Romcom but not shonen" doesn't mean the Company is disspointed about EZ.

 

[VG1989]

Traduction: "try something like a Romcom but not shonen" doesn't mean the Company is disspointed about EZ.

There is literally no word about Rom com, why are you adding what you assume?

 

[Velvet-Demon]

There is literally no word about Rom com, why are you adding what you assume?

Really ? It was an exemple

 

[VG1989]

Unlike some, I at least try to back up my claims with some facts and info rather than simply blurt out my bias or opinion and call it absolute true.
So Hiro's next work or one of his side projects he is gonna work on these year may be connected to these.

Well we seen Fairy Woman, So interesting what other heroines he would do. But working for Marvel, EEEEhhhhh, DC is in no better these days (so I Hear). if it was Image comic may be than.

 

[Darklord#10]

So again we go "Its better because I say so", so than show me your pulitzer prize or other writer award that prove that your qualified to pass this judgment.
If not your words are no better than mine, mine are at least back up with facts and statistics.
More risks? as in let me kill off characters so i don't have to develop them.
better written? because it's planed out? What was it you were saying about Cure "Grey villain that surely important to story" he and Acnoelas fast defeat was planed from the start. Hiro announcing: "Cures backstory was made on the spot and Acnoella fight was supposed to be long and intense but cut short because of pacing", so much for planed. Funny, how Hiro unintentionally shuts down all his defenders

To prove that sales don't show quality you must present other proves like awards or ranks that make it substantial. The only 2 things I found about Space Manga is 10th most watched Late Night Anime episode in may 2021 and 8th most watched Animated show on Netflix in Colombia (or was it Costa-Rika sorry cant remember) for 1 week.

meanwhile FT
Fairy Tail won Best Manga Series of 2008 at the 2009 Anime & Manga Grand Prix held by French magazine AnimeLand. It also won the 2009 Kodansha Manga Award for shōnen manga. It also won Best Shōnen Manga at the 2009 Japan Expo Awards and also Volume 9 of the manga was nominated in the Youth Selection category at the 2010 Angoulême International Comics Festival. there are others but most of them include best selling so I wont include them.
Bottom line, FT partially succeeds in what it supposed to, While Space Manga not.
Your comparison and judgment is similar to saying some Random average Basketball player is better than Messi even thought he earns less money, purely because you like basketball more than soccer. Basketball player has no grand achievements aside from player of the match couple of times, While Messi has golden ball, boot, champions league and world cup.

Fact that he was "Ordered" to do differently and not decided on his own, is a subtle give away that higher ups aren't happy.

Don't take space manga fans seriously. Even rave that was 90's is top 30 selling manga with trash anime. Space manga fans no they can't compete. Space manga fans don't know that fairy tail is one of the biggest Shounen anime, 2019 when natsu was popular as fuck. Space manga fans only happy cuz mashima kills character off and doesn't retcon, back in og ft there wasn't much retcon until final season.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 15, 2023, Original Post Date: Jan 15, 2023 ---

Fairy tail at one point outsold bleach, people need to actually respect fairy tail especially space manga tards

 

[VG1989]

Don't take space manga fans seriously. Even rave that was 90's is top 30 selling manga with trash anime. Space manga fans no they can't compete. Space manga fans don't know that fairy tail is one of the biggest Shounen anime, 2019 when natsu was popular as fuck. Space manga fans only happy cuz mashima kills character off and doesn't retcon, back in og ft there wasn't much retcon until final season.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 15, 2023, Original Post Date: Jan 15, 2023 ---

Fairy tail at one point outsold bleach, people need to actually respect fairy tail especially space manga tards

I Don't know if you heard, but in latest chapter

Spoiler

He brought back dead characters whose death was supposed to be permenant and character driven plot point, like what happened with Lyssana coming back and taking away character aspect of Natsu, Mira and Elfman.

And space manga fans are like "its good as long as it does it, but FT is bad for doing it".

 

[Darklord#10]

I Don't know if you heard, but in latest chapter

Spoiler

He brought back dead characters whose death was supposed to be permenant and character driven plot point, like what happened with Lyssana coming back and taking away character aspect of Natsu, Mira and Elfman.

And space manga fans are like "its good as long as it does it, but FT is bad for doing it".

Didn't he bring back witch, lol

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 15, 2023, Original Post Date: Jan 15, 2023 ---

I Don't know if you heard, but in latest chapter

Spoiler

He brought back dead characters whose death was supposed to be permenant and character driven plot point, like what happened with Lyssana coming back and taking away character aspect of Natsu, Mira and Elfman.

And space manga fans are like "its good as long as it does it, but FT is bad for doing it".

People have actually forgotten how good fairy tail was. It's very popular, space manga fans don't want to accept that fT is better I'm not sure why. It was one of the best anime during the time it was airing. Even non ft fans liked natsu and erza a lot back then. It outsold bleach at one point. I like space manga and I enjoy it but I don't think mashima can replicate what he did with fairy tail, maybe even he knows it

 

[VG1989]

Didn't he bring back witch, lol

Spoiler

her and now Wisses mom. which means Drakken did not Drain her life.

I like space manga and I enjoy it but I don't think mashima can replicate what he did with fairy tail, maybe even he knows it

That I and many other ft fans accept (I sadly can't say that for all ft fans), everyone can like what they want.
But when it goes into mocking with nothing to back it up, that what is trash.
Space Manga is Mid at best, and that is me being generous and talking about when it actually does good.
For Crying out loud Shikis design is so generic, that you will loos him in a crowd of other Shounen MCs, I'm no Natsu Fan but I can Tell him in a Crowd of MCs he stands out with his design. I once mistook Shiki for this guy

these isn't even manga, its Manfra (French comic in Manga Style). ps it was publishing before Space Manga.

I read some stuff that has no great story or sales, I just enjoy them, but I'm not arrogant or stupid enough to build them up into next Big Three. Well, except Spy x Family. I read stuff like Musuko ga Kawaikute Shikataganai Mazoku no Hahaoya, Elf-san wa Yaserarenai, Chieri's Love Is 8 Meters, Giant Ojou-sama, Yankee JK KuzuHana-chan and etc. you can check them out and then roast me
Fans Need for Space Manga to be The Better written one is kinda sad. That in its self is Draker than that manga.

 

[Steven]

Well,i still put FT(Pre-GMG Day 5 and shitty Edolas)>Rave>FT(Post-GMG Day 5)>EZ

 

[VG1989]

Well,i still put FT(Pre-GMG Day 5 and shitty Edolas)>Rave>FT(Post-GMG Day 5)>EZ

Edolas could have been good if it was about Mystogun (He was in begging and the end of the ark, most he did was give pills), like how Galuna was about Grey, ToH was about Erza or Tenrou was about Canna.

 

[Anime VORTEX]

Edolas could have been good if it was about Mystogun (He was in begging and the end of the ark, most he did was give pills), like how Galuna was about Grey, ToH was about Erza or Tenrou was about Canna.

Edolas Was about Happy & Charle and their origin

 

[diceroll812]

Spoiler

her and now Wisses mom. which means Drakken did not Drain her life.

That I and many other ft fans accept (I sadly can't say that for all ft fans), everyone can like what they want.
But when it goes into mocking with nothing to back it up, that what is trash.
Space Manga is Mid at best, and that is me being generous and talking about when it actually does good.
For Crying out loud Shikis design is so generic, that you will loos him in a crowd of other Shounen MCs, I'm no Natsu Fan but I can Tell him in a Crowd of MCs he stands out with his design. I once mistook Shiki for this guy

these isn't even manga, its Manfra (French comic in Manga Style). ps it was publishing before Space Manga.

I read some stuff that has no great story or sales, I just enjoy them, but I'm not arrogant or stupid enough to build them up into next Big Three. Well, except Spy x Family. I read stuff like Musuko ga Kawaikute Shikataganai Mazoku no Hahaoya, Elf-san wa Yaserarenai, Chieri's Love Is 8 Meters, Giant Ojou-sama, Yankee JK KuzuHana-chan and etc. you can check them out and then roast me
Fans Need for Space Manga to be The Better written one is kinda sad. That in its self is Draker than that manga.

Edens Zero does have it's moments and at the mid point of the manga had really good arcs (sun jewel and the Draken Joe arc where both well executed and standout imo). I think it became way more mid after that point tho, and the constant time-skips + time travel shenanigans didn't help it at all, I still like the manga and read all the chapters just not as invested as I once was.

*beginning of rant*

Regarding Fairy Tail it's kinda sad the treatment it receives, a lot of people talk trash about the manga when a lot of its faults either aren't as big as they are made out to be or aren't true in the first place. I know the series isn't perfect but even bad stories become *that* popular because they have something going for them. I specially like that there's lots of videos trash talking FT and a good portion of them is saying something in the lines of: "yes all characters are trash except for this one..." and then they all point out different characters lol.

Fairy Tail is a true example of how powerful a bandwagon can be, one day the franchise is respected and then there's 1 or 2 story elements that aren't as good and content creators blow everything out of proportion and act like the series was always the worst series ever on all aspects including those that in reality are strong points (fake deaths and fan-service may have always existed in the series even if not as bad as presented by the haters but the characters are actually good and the "power of friendship" narrative is one of the more unjust criticisms imo since a lot of the fights that people complain about have a logic explanation behind them/aren't nearly as problematic as accused of being and are mostly normal shonen bs).

At least nowadays is not like a few years back when admitting liking FT outside of "yeah i like it but it's still trash" was a death sentence.

*end of rant*

Radiant is actually fairly good, the mc has more depth than it seems at first and the discrimination themes are handled better than in most mangas.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 17, 2023, Original Post Date: Jan 17, 2023 ---

Well,i still put FT(Pre-GMG Day 5 and shitty Edolas)>Rave>FT(Post-GMG Day 5)>EZ

I can't in good conscience put FT(post-GMG Day5), that low since Tartarus is one of my top arcs and outside of the "Sting situation" I'm mostly fine with the second half of GMG (for the rest of the arcs sun village is fine, avatar idem and the last arc is more disappointing and a mixed bag than outright awful, besides long running shonens with a train-wreck last arc is tradition :P), Edolas was boring in the anime and decent in the manga. Rave is > EZ for the most part but mostly because of the later parts of the story, when I reread the manga a while back I was not impressed with the earlier arcs which is normal for a debut manga.

 

[Darklord#10]

Why do people say the "Assassination" of gray's character began in Alvarez arc, to be honest he was one of the good things that happened in Alvarez arc. Gray was respected a lot in og ft. Alvarez arc was 7/10 it was messy and stuff but it was within the expectations of a fairy tail arc

 

[Newperson00]

I Don't know if you heard, but in latest chapter

Spoiler

He brought back dead characters whose death was supposed to be permenant and character driven plot point, like what happened with Lyssana coming back and taking away character aspect of Natsu, Mira and Elfman.

And space manga fans are like "its good as long as it does it, but FT is bad for doing it".

And some people said *Edens Zero is better Fairy Tail*
Good I didn´t waste my time reading that series
False hype & fakeouts

it doesn´t matter whatever universe it is the fact Witch is back that takes away all the impact it did to some readers which I´m sure it gets ignored because the series is *darker*

Also I heard Edens Jellal is turned a good guy is that true?