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What do you like most about FT/what will you miss most about FT? (3 choices)

  • The individual characters

  • Moments when the guild is together

  • The storytelling and plot twists

  • Speculating about what could come up in the story/plot/characters

  • Shipping moments that have or you wish to take place

  • The feels

  • The fights/battles

  • The character designs/appearance

  • The villains

  • The comedy

  • The fanservice

  • The epic entrances, lines, and badass moments

  • Seeing side guilds (non-FT) get attention

  • The anime

  • Soundtracks/OP/ED in the anime

  • Mashima's art/twitter


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Anyone who was under the illusion that Gray was superior to Erza in terms of power will soon be brought back to reality.
Only if Erza's opponent is as strong or stronger than a human Dragon God like Vierness, and how difficult will remain Erza's feat. We'll see. Same for Laxus, Wendy and Lucy.
 

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Only if Erza's opponent is as strong or stronger than a human Dragon God like Vierness, and how difficult will remain Erza's feat. We'll see. Same for Laxus, Wendy and Lucy.
Any of the Calamity Bloods should be stronger than Viernes' human form.

These dragons have been receiving magical power from the continent for 400 years. And they will use their dragon form in battles, so that surpasses the human form of a Dragon God.
 

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What about Team B? Perhaps the fights will be 2 VS 1
 

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Any of the Calamity Bloods should be stronger than Viernes' human form.

These dragons have been receiving magical power from the continent for 400 years. And they will use their dragon form in battles, so that surpasses the human form of a Dragon God.
If they battle in Dragon Form, perhaps. We'll see. But Grey will defeat one as well.
I seriously hope Erza will shine like Mashima Sensei is saying because she did nothing this last Arc. A shame for Titania.

As for now, I expect Natsu & Grey are above her by feats. Let see the different fights against CB and the hype power of these new ennemies.
If she defeats the most dangerous foe like Mashima says, I will perhaps change my mind.
I am waiting for these battles but if Merc Dress (a portion of a Human DG power is enough to defeat one, no, CB will not be Vierness level.

Wait & see.
 

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Any of the Calamity Bloods should be stronger than Viernes' human form.
Be real, this don't have a solid basis and don't even makes much sense narratively speaking independently of 400 year of buff. Yes Dragon Gods are frauds, but this don't automatically makes Ignia's minions above them. I had bet on Lecka making Viernes looks bad before and i lost, so betting on minions is not a safe bet.

Realistically, most of them should be just somewhat above spriggan level (below August and Irene) and only Motherglare may be Human Dragon God level at the very best
 

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Be real, this don't have a solid basis and don't even makes much sense narratively speaking independently of 400 year of buff. Yes Dragon Gods are frauds, but this don't automatically makes Ignia's minions above them. I had bet on Lecka making Viernes looks bad before and i lost, so betting on minions is not a safe bet.

Realistically, most of them should be just somewhat above spriggan level (below August and Irene) and only Motherglare may be Human Dragon God level at the very best
In fact, it is quite easy to conclude that the Calamity Bloods, at full power, are above the human forms of the Dragon Gods.

First, they have been receiving magical energy from the continent for 400 years, which alone is an extremely relevant power benchmark.

Second, they are set to face Laxus, who is currently above Kirin’s power level. During the Labyrinth arc, Laxus received a power boost from a Dragon King and completely overwhelmed Kirin. It is important to remember that Kirin stands on the same power tier as Suzaku, the character who managed to defeat Selene’s human form.

Furthermore, Gray will face the Calamity Bloods and will most likely struggle far more than he did when fighting Viernes’ human form.

The Lecka example is not valid, since Mashima completely discarded Fire and Flame; that group was clearly not intended to be the final antagonists of the arc. This is not the case with the Calamity Bloods, who have been narratively built as the final antagonistic group.

The narrative itself will place the Calamity Bloods above the human forms of the Dragon Gods, and this will be extremely evident.

As a result, the power level of the BDSK and the Spriggans will become an intermediate tier, in the same way Minerva, Sting, Rogue, and Kagura were treated during the Alvarez arc.
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If they battle in Dragon Form, perhaps. We'll see. But Grey will defeat one as well.
I seriously hope Erza will shine like Mashima Sensei is saying because she did nothing this last Arc. A shame for Titania.

As for now, I expect Natsu & Grey are above her by feats. Let see the different fights against CB and the hype power of these new ennemies.
If she defeats the most dangerous foe like Mashima says, I will perhaps change my mind.
I am waiting for these battles but if Merc Dress (a portion of a Human DG power is enough to defeat one, no, CB will not be Vierness level.

Wait & see.
I believe that Gray’s performance against any of the Calamity Bloods will be enough to refute your argument, because the more difficulty he has against these dragons, the more obsolete his feat against Viernes becomes.

It’s not as if Gray would hold back or refrain from using his best abilities against these dragons.

As for Lucy, I prefer to wait and see how the fight unfolds, since the discussion surrounding Mercphobia always ends up revolving around the fact that he is weakened.
 

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First, they have been receiving magical energy from the continent for 400 years, which alone is an extremely relevant power benchmark.
This can mean nothing and you know that. They still will be as strong as the plot demands.

Second, they are set to face Laxus, who is currently above Kirin’s power level. During the Labyrinth arc, Laxus received a power boost from a Dragon King and completely overwhelmed Kirin. It is important to remember that Kirin stands on the same power tier as Suzaku, the character who managed to defeat Selene’s human form.
One of them is set to face Laxus, and he just have to be above Gildarts level and who knows may be Motherglare herself, if not fine, we will have 2 Human DG level calamities, but not all of them. if Wendy solos one of them i won't place him at Human DG level. And Kirin don't stands at same power tier as Suzaku, he is a one shot material for current Laxus who is at same tier of Suzaku.

Furthermore, Gray will face the Calamity Bloods and will most likely struggle far more than he did when fighting Viernes’ human form.
Lecka's lesson was being Gray's matchup don't guarantee you anything

The Lecka example is not valid, since Mashima completely discarded Fire and Flame; that group was clearly not intended to be the final antagonists of the arc. This is not the case with the Calamity Bloods, who have been narratively built as the final antagonistic group.

The narrative itself will place the Calamity Bloods above the human forms of the Dragon Gods, and this will be extremely evident.

As a result, the power level of the BDSK and the Spriggans will become an intermediate tier, in the same way Minerva, Sting, Rogue, and Kagura were treated during the Alvarez arc.
Those guys pop up at the 45 of the second time and you think they will get better portrayal and development than the dragon gods ? In a arc that has been a mess ? Spriggans were the final antagonist group of original series and most of them were clowned,

I can also mention the narrative scaling that One Piece fans were making for Garling. The Shanks father who was gonna be an endgame antagonist had all his hype killed in current arc. I think i don't need to talk about how many times Mashima killed the hype for the villains, including Fire and Flame and the Dragon Gods themselves. No narrative guarantees any power level, and actually nothing truly suggested that all of them will be that strong if any of them at all. Bloody Calamities just have vague statements about their power as of now, what seems clear is that each of them will be determined by their matchups
 

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I believe that Gray’s performance against any of the Calamity Bloods will be enough to refute your argument, because the more difficulty he has against these dragons, the more obsolete his feat against Viernes becomes.
I think you are hyping the Calamity Bloods too much. Well, if they perform well, then good for them. But we will see—Gray not using the same techniques he used against Human Viernes. If so, we can’t put them on the same level as Viernes. If the DGs can be clowned, then BC can get the same treatment as well.
 

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This can mean nothing and you know that. They still will be as strong as the plot demands.



One of them is set to face Laxus, and he just have to be above Gildarts level and who knows may be Motherglare herself, if not fine, we will have 2 Human DG level calamities, but not all of them. if Wendy solos one of them i won't place him at Human DG level. And Kirin don't stands at same power tier as Suzaku, he is a one shot material for current Laxus who is at same tier of Suzaku.



Lecka's lesson was being Gray's matchup don't guarantee you anything



Those guys pop up at the 45 of the second time and you think they will get better portrayal and development than the dragon gods ? In a arc that has been a mess ? Spriggans were the final antagonist group of original series and most of them were clowned,

I can also mention the narrative scaling that One Piece fans were making for Garling. The Shanks father who was gonna be an endgame antagonist had all his hype killed in current arc. I think i don't need to talk about how many times Mashima killed the hype for the villains, including Fire and Flame and the Dragon Gods themselves. No narrative guarantees any power level, and actually nothing truly suggested that all of them will be that strong if any of them at all. Bloody Calamities just have vague statements about their power as of now, what seems clear is that each of them will be determined by their matchups

It is quite obvious that Laxus will face one of the Calamity Bloods, and that alone already raises the power level of these antagonists, considering that Laxus surpassed Gildarts’ level by defeating Kirin.

Motherglare may be the strongest dragon in the group, but that does not mean she cannot have an equivalent in terms of power within the same team. We have already seen a similar situation with Kirin and Misaki: although Kirin is stronger, they are still relatively matched in overall power.

The fact that Erza defeats the strongest member of the group is consistent, because unlike Laxus, she is more relevant to the main narrative, as she is part of the team that accepted the 100 Years Quest. Therefore, it is only natural that Hiro wants to give her more screen time and narrative importance. This already happened in the Alvarez arc, where Laxus fought Wall while Erza faced Irene.

And yes, Kirin is on the same power level as Suzaku, and there are even statements suggesting that he is stronger than Suzaku, even though you disagree with that. However, there is also a clear statement indicating that there are other mages in Diabolos who are on the same level as Suzaku — something Suzaku himself does not deny.

You may argue otherwise, but you cannot simply disregard all narrative evidence just to establish your preferred interpretation. That is not how it works. Even headcanons have limits when the author is very explicit about something.

The argument regarding Wendy is also not flawless, because we still do not know what Hiro is preparing for her character. We could have another situation similar to her fight against Haku, where she won, but did not actually prove she was on his level due to a series of favorable circumstances.

And even without such circumstances, we do not know what kind of buff Hiro might be planning for Wendy. We should not forget that before the fight against Viernes, Gray barely had any notable feats, and many readers considered him dead weight.

Lecka was no match for Gray, and this is explicitly shown in the manga. The dragonized human was defeated by Gray in his base form, without him using any relevant spells. Therefore, this argument simply does not hold up.

When facing the Calamity Bloods, Gray will have to use his strongest abilities. There is also a real possibility that Juvia will join the fight, since unlike the rest of Team B, she is completely uninjured. And let’s not forget that Juvia ranked third in the popularity poll and even received an entire chapter focused solely on her, without sharing screen time with anyone else. So caution is needed when projecting future feats, because Viernes’ human form may end up being far less impressive than it seems if Gray requires Juvia’s help to fight one of these dragons at full power.

I will not go any further into a discussion about One Piece, because I consider its fights and power scaling even lazier than those in Fairy Tail. At least Hiro Mashima is not afraid to make mistakes and exaggerate in his manga, whereas Oda does not even try, since almost everything in One Piece ends in simple attack clashes, with no real development.
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I think you are hyping the Calamity Bloods too much. Well, if they perform well, then good for them. But we will see—Gray not using the same techniques he used against Human Viernes. If so, we can’t put them on the same level as Viernes. If the DGs can be clowned, then BC can get the same treatment as well.
I don’t disagree with the possibility.
However, if Gray uses the same techniques, or even new ones, against these dragons and still struggles more in those fights, then his feats against them would surpass his previous one, namely defeating Viernes’ human form.
 

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It is quite obvious that Laxus will face one of the Calamity Bloods, and that alone already raises the power level of these antagonists, considering that Laxus surpassed Gildarts’ level by defeating Kirin.
It also depends on how well they do
 

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It also depends on how well they do
Oh, definitely.

But they are the final antagonists of the arc, I trust that the fights will be exhausting for the good guys, even if the fights themselves are bad.
 

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It is quite obvious that Laxus will face one of the Calamity Bloods, and that alone already raises the power level of these antagonists, considering that Laxus surpassed Gildarts’ level by defeating Kirin.
Again, he raises the power of the antagonist he faces, not the entire group. It's like trying to put Gate at Zero and Daemon level.

Motherglare may be the strongest dragon in the group, but that does not mean she cannot have an equivalent in terms of power within the same team. We have already seen a similar situation with Kirin and Misaki: although Kirin is stronger, they are still relatively matched in overall power.

The fact that Erza defeats the strongest member of the group is consistent, because unlike Laxus, she is more relevant to the main narrative, as she is part of the team that accepted the 100 Years Quest. Therefore, it is only natural that Hiro wants to give her more screen time and narrative importance. This already happened in the Alvarez arc, where Laxus fought Wall while Erza faced Irene.
So two dragons in a group of 5, let's say 3 adding Gray matchup. The other 2 still can be fodders to them, just like Oracion Sechs dynamics which had Zero, Daemon and Blade as the stronger half, and other half solidly weaker than them.

And yes, Kirin is on the same power level as Suzaku, and there are even statements suggesting that he is stronger than Suzaku, even though you disagree with that. However, there is also a clear statement indicating that there are other mages in Diabolos who are on the same level as Suzaku — something Suzaku himself does not deny.
The only statement equalizing the BDSK is a perhaps from Madmole, which is not a clear statement, and we are talking about a series where all the DGs were said to be equals and then Ignia is stronger than everyone.

You may argue otherwise, but you cannot simply disregard all narrative evidence just to establish your preferred interpretation. That is not how it works. Even headcanons have limits when the author is very explicit about something.
Like the DGs narrative with Dragon Aldoron being trashed by a Human Ignia level Natsu ? Or maybe the signarios overglaze ending in Aquarius Lucy hands. Mashima himself don't cares about the statements made in the manga, what matters is what happens, the feats are what matters the most, otherwise i can just go and claim that Karameel is stronger than Irene based on Wed overglazing fraudnarios. Characters can lie and have wrong impressions about things, but the author himself explictly said that he don't know who is stronger between Suzaku and the guy who one shotted Kirin TWICE. So i agree that there is a limit of headcanon that equalizes Kirin to Suzaku when the guy is objectively a one shot material to him. And i will repeat, this is not a opinion, it's a objective fact that Kirin is just a one shot material to Kirin. Deny that because of a perhaps from Madmole is worse than still wanting to equalize the dragon gods, because at least their statement didn't had a perhaps.

The argument regarding Wendy is also not flawless, because we still do not know what Hiro is preparing for her character. We could have another situation similar to her fight against Haku, where she won, but did not actually prove she was on his level due to a series of favorable circumstances.

And even without such circumstances, we do not know what kind of buff Hiro might be planning for Wendy. We should not forget that before the fight against Viernes, Gray barely had any notable feats, and many readers considered him dead weight.

Lecka was no match for Gray, and this is explicitly shown in the manga. The dragonized human was defeated by Gray in his base form, without him using any relevant spells. Therefore, this argument simply does not hold up.

When facing the Calamity Bloods, Gray will have to use his strongest abilities. There is also a real possibility that Juvia will join the fight, since unlike the rest of Team B, she is completely uninjured. And let’s not forget that Juvia ranked third in the popularity poll and even received an entire chapter focused solely on her, without sharing screen time with anyone else. So caution is needed when projecting future feats, because Viernes’ human form may end up being far less impressive than it seems if Gray requires Juvia’s help to fight one of these dragons at full power.
Haku was the weakest of the BDSK who i also do not believe being Gildarts level just because of a perhaps. And since Raj was the weakest F&F too, she is just gonna face the weakest calamity.

Lecka argument was to say that there is no guarantees, who knows if Mashima simply decides to rush these fights ?

I will not go any further into a discussion about One Piece, because I consider its fights and power scaling even lazier than those in Fairy Tail. At least Hiro Mashima is not afraid to make mistakes and exaggerate in his manga, whereas Oda does not even try, since almost everything in One Piece ends in simple attack clashes, with no real development.
My point with the Garling example was to point that the use of ''the narrative is leading to this'' is actually just headcanon based on people own interpretation of what the narrative is. There was no statement about Garling strength beyond Oda literally just saying that he is strong. But since dude was Shanks father and an endgame antagonist people thought he was going to be a top tier but he wasn't, he was just a overglorified final villain minion. Then we have the blood calamities that are final villain minions. And don't even need to talk One Piece, the spriggan 12 also were final villain minions and only few of them were decent. Minions are still minions, they don't shouldn't have the benefit of doubt, they need feats first.
 

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Oh, definitely.

But they are the final antagonists of the arc, I trust that the fights will be exhausting for the good guys, even if the fights themselves are bad.
I think it's brave from you to hope that the Calamity Blood live up to the hype, considering how 100YQ villains post-Diabolos were clowned.

But I prefer this to people whining about the Spriggan 12 all day. Personally, I'm not expecting anything from the new villains, I just want good fight for Lucy and Gray.
 

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Again, he raises the power of the antagonist he faces, not the entire group. It's like trying to put Gate at Zero and Daemon level.



So two dragons in a group of 5, let's say 3 adding Gray matchup. The other 2 still can be fodders to them, just like Oracion Sechs dynamics which had Zero, Daemon and Blade as the stronger half, and other half solidly weaker than them.



The only statement equalizing the BDSK is a perhaps from Madmole, which is not a clear statement, and we are talking about a series where all the DGs were said to be equals and then Ignia is stronger than everyone.



Like the DGs narrative with Dragon Aldoron being trashed by a Human Ignia level Natsu ? Or maybe the signarios overglaze ending in Aquarius Lucy hands. Mashima himself don't cares about the statements made in the manga, what matters is what happens, the feats are what matters the most, otherwise i can just go and claim that Karameel is stronger than Irene based on Wed overglazing fraudnarios. Characters can lie and have wrong impressions about things, but the author himself explictly said that he don't know who is stronger between Suzaku and the guy who one shotted Kirin TWICE. So i agree that there is a limit of headcanon that equalizes Kirin to Suzaku when the guy is objectively a one shot material to him. And i will repeat, this is not a opinion, it's a objective fact that Kirin is just a one shot material to Kirin. Deny that because of a perhaps from Madmole is worse than still wanting to equalize the dragon gods, because at least their statement didn't had a perhaps.



Haku was the weakest of the BDSK who i also do not believe being Gildarts level just because of a perhaps. And since Raj was the weakest F&F too, she is just gonna face the weakest calamity.

Lecka argument was to say that there is no guarantees, who knows if Mashima simply decides to rush these fights ?



My point with the Garling example was to point that the use of ''the narrative is leading to this'' is actually just headcanon based on people own interpretation of what the narrative is. There was no statement about Garling strength beyond Oda literally just saying that he is strong. But since dude was Shanks father and an endgame antagonist people thought he was going to be a top tier but he wasn't, he was just a overglorified final villain minion. Then we have the blood calamities that are final villain minions. And don't even need to talk One Piece, the spriggan 12 also were final villain minions and only few of them were decent. Minions are still minions, they don't shouldn't have the benefit of doubt, they need feats first.
I understand what you mean about Laxus, and I agree that within any group there is always a certain degree of power disparity. However, the power levels of these characters tend to fluctuate significantly depending on how the author chooses to emphasize them. This is exactly what happened with Irene, August, and Larcade, who were explicitly portrayed by Mashima as stronger and more relevant than the other Spriggans.

Readers are usually free to interpret things, but without a direct statement from the author, our conclusions cannot be treated as facts — they are simply interpretations that make sense within the story’s internal logic.

Among the five dragons, only one truly benefits from uncertainty, and that is the one who will face Wendy. Laxus, Erza, and Gray are already established as powerful characters with solid feats, which allows us to reasonably assume that their opponents will be relevant in terms of power.

Lucy’s opponent, however, is a complete wildcard in terms of power level, because she has a trump card: Mercphobia. We do not know how far Mashima intends to push the Dragon God’s power, but it is clear that Mercphobia is a relevant force even in a weakened state. Therefore, it is not accurate to claim that only three of the Calamity Bloods will matter in terms of power.

This leaves only one Calamity Blood whose strength we cannot yet determine whether it will live up to the expectations set by the rest of the group. However, this uncertainty exists mainly because Mashima has not yet foreshadowed Wendy’s true power. The closest thing we have is the statement that Wendy inherited Irene’s power, but it is unclear whether this should be interpreted literally or metaphorically. In any case, across Mashima’s villain groups, there is almost always one character who stands out the least in terms of power and feats.

Regarding the Dragon Gods, I believe most readers always assumed Ignia would be the strongest. Aldoron’s defeat by Natsu was impressive, but Selene still compared Natsu to the level of a Dragon God, which suggests that Mashima never established a tier above that classification. Moreover, Aldoron never truly fought Natsu head-on and was not even expecting the attack, in a situation very similar to Selene being caught off guard by Ignia. Aldoron’s focus was on Selene and on executing the Omega Universe plan. That said, Ignia is clearly showing feats above the other Dragon Gods, which does not contradict Mashima’s usual approach to group dynamics — in fact, it is fully consistent with it.

As for the argument involving Haku, I agree that he is the weakest member of the BDSK. However, I strongly disagree with the claim that he is not on a similar power level to the rest of the group. Haku’s power is entirely hax-based, as it worked on Natsu, Lucy, and even Irene. There is no reason to assume it would not work on Suzaku, Kirin, or Misaki. Therefore, even though Haku lacks the same level of combat skill as his teammates, he compensates with extremely powerful magic — a common trait in the hax-focused archetypes Mashima likes to use.

The Gate comparison is not bad, but I believe Bird would have been a better example. I do not consider Gate a disappointing character when compared to Zero and Daemon. He is significantly weaker than those two, but he still possesses decent and useful magic. His defeat by Juvia came through strategy rather than brute force.

As for your arguments about the BDSK, I do not think your logic aligns with the manga’s narrative. Madmole’s statement is not isolated, since Suzaku was present during that scene and did not dispute it. Later on, Mashima presents the BDSK as a cohesive group, and Selene explicitly comments on their power levels, stating that Kirin was the strongest. Selene reached that conclusion after evaluating the group’s overall strength. In this case, the narrative directly contradicts your interpretation.

While I respect the attempt to argue that Suzaku is stronger than Kirin, I completely disagree with the level of disparity you suggest between the two. Not only does it go against Selene’s statements, but it also implies that Suzaku is vastly superior to Kirin, which is simply not supported by the manga. Mashima’s statement regarding Suzaku and Laxus must be understood within the context of the Labyrinth arc, where Laxus’ power was still relatively close to Kirin’s, even after defeating him.

Defeating an opponent with a single decisive blow is extremely common in Fairy Tail — Natsu and Erza do it all the time — and it does not mean the attack itself lacked power. Laxus defeated Kirin using an enormous amount of magical energy. It is also important to remember that before receiving Elexion’s buff, Laxus was not able to compete evenly with Kirin and was consistently being overwhelmed. Therefore, it is incorrect to claim that Laxus became overwhelmingly superior to Kirin during that arc. He surpassed him in power, yes, but the gap between them was likely not that large, especially considering Mashima explicitly stated that a fight between Laxus and Suzaku would be a close one.

Finally, the argument that Kirin lost in just two attacks does not carry much weight, since Mashima frequently ends battles with a single decisive strike. What further weakens this point is the fact that Viernes himself was defeated by a single fully charged attack from Gray, in a manner very similar to Kirin’s defeat.

And if Natsu, Erza, Gray, and the rest of Team A had time to grow stronger, then Laxus — as one of Fairy Tail’s most prominent characters — has almost certainly evolved as well and is now far stronger than he was during the Labyrinth arc. The current Suzaku likely does not even compare to the current Laxus.

Lastly, that argument involving Karameel and Irene never made any sense, as there is simply no correlation between the two.
 
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Oh, definitely.

But they are the final antagonists of the arc, I trust that the fights will be exhausting for the good guys, even if the fights themselves are bad.
Personally I’m hoping that it takes more than one person to take one down
 

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I think it's brave from you to hope that the Calamity Blood live up to the hype, considering how 100YQ villains post-Diabolos were clowned.

But I prefer this to people whining about the Spriggan 12 all day. Personally, I'm not expecting anything from the new villains, I just want good fight for Lucy and Gray.
It depends on what you consider "expectations."

The only thing I'm waiting for is for the Calamity Bloods to push Team A and Laxus to their limits, making the battles intense. I'm not expecting any team battles against them, nothing like that.

If Team A and Laxus use everything they have to win the fights, that'll be good enough for me.

Mashima just needs to write the fights the way he wrote them in the labyrinth arc.
 

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Readers are usually free to interpret things, but without a direct statement from the author, our conclusions cannot be treated as facts — they are simply interpretations that make sense within the story’s internal logic.
Wait, the Mashima saying he don't know who is stronger between Laxus and Suzaku is not a direct statement from the author himself ? :cookiestare

Among the five dragons, only one truly benefits from uncertainty, and that is the one who will face Wendy. Laxus, Erza, and Gray are already established as powerful characters with solid feats, which allows us to reasonably assume that their opponents will be relevant in terms of power.

Lucy’s opponent, however, is a complete wildcard in terms of power level, because she has a trump card: Mercphobia. We do not know how far Mashima intends to push the Dragon God’s power, but it is clear that Mercphobia is a relevant force even in a weakened state. Therefore, it is not accurate to claim that only three of the Calamity Bloods will matter in terms of power.

This leaves only one Calamity Blood whose strength we cannot yet determine whether it will live up to the expectations set by the rest of the group. However, this uncertainty exists mainly because Mashima has not yet foreshadowed Wendy’s true power. The closest thing we have is the statement that Wendy inherited Irene’s power, but it is unclear whether this should be interpreted literally or metaphorically. In any case, across Mashima’s villain groups, there is almost always one character who stands out the least in terms of power and feats.
If Laxus, Erza and Gray folds them then they don't really get matchups benefits. Gray for example needed DS enchantment to beat Viernes, if he beats a calamity wthout that then Viernes still stands as Gray's top opponent. If Gray has DS enchantment but folds him, Viernes still stands again. There are circumstances that can define their power level. Erza can extreme diff her opponent but Laxus easy diff or Laxus extreme diff and Erza easy diff. There are many possibilities.

Even Lucy opponent don't have doubt benefit. She can just summon a weakned human merc and then the dragon will be objectively weaker than a human dragon god. And i've seen many Lucy fans having high expectations on this fight when we don't even know how strong he will be.

Regarding the Dragon Gods, I believe most readers always assumed Ignia would be the strongest. Aldoron’s defeat by Natsu was impressive, but Selene still compared Natsu to the level of a Dragon God, which suggests that Mashima never established a tier above that classification. Moreover, Aldoron never truly fought Natsu head-on and was not even expecting the attack, in a situation very similar to Selene being caught off guard by Ignia. Aldoron’s focus was on Selene and on executing the Omega Universe plan. That said, Ignia is clearly showing feats above the other Dragon Gods, which does not contradict Mashima’s usual approach to group dynamics — in fact, it is fully consistent with it.
Dude, Natsu heavily damaged Aldoron in his dragon form while Human Ignia could stop him. Even if Human Ignia is not stronger than dragon Aldoron he is at least at same tier, which means Dragon Ignia is a whole tier above Dragon Aldoron contradicts the direct statements of equality. It's not just readers impressions, is not just portrayal when even the human form of Ignia can potentially beat Aldoron. If you noticed even in the original series Mashima was never afraid of producing fake hype here and there, it's just that in 100YQ it became more often and in more important plot points, but it's fake hype. From the head i can mention Jose being equal to Makarov as an wizard saint, the fake tension about Nirvana being used to kill the already dead Cait Shelter, Ivan Dreyar and Raven Tail narrative as a whole. From the authors i read, Mashima is the most consistent on fake hype.

As for the argument involving Haku, I agree that he is the weakest member of the BDSK. However, I strongly disagree with the claim that he is not on a similar power level to the rest of the group. Haku’s power is entirely hax-based, as it worked on Natsu, Lucy, and even Irene. There is no reason to assume it would not work on Suzaku, Kirin, or Misaki. Therefore, even though Haku lacks the same level of combat skill as his teammates, he compensates with extremely powerful magic — a common trait in the hax-focused archetypes Mashima likes to use.
I'm not saying his hax wouldn't work, i'm just saying his combat cababilities are a tier below Gildarts level, even Marin Hollow hax works on people stronger.


The Gate comparison is not bad, but I believe Bird would have been a better example. I do not consider Gate a disappointing character when compared to Zero and Daemon. He is significantly weaker than those two, but he still possesses decent and useful magic. His defeat by Juvia came through strategy rather than brute force.
Bird is just good to compare Cobra with Racer. Gate is the best example i can give because if he was equal to Zero and Daemon it would mean that Juvia is much stronger than Mira and Gajeel.

As for your arguments about the BDSK, I do not think your logic aligns with the manga’s narrative. Madmole’s statement is not isolated, since Suzaku was present during that scene and did not dispute it. Later on, Mashima presents the BDSK as a cohesive group, and Selene explicitly comments on their power levels, stating that Kirin was the strongest. Selene reached that conclusion after evaluating the group’s overall strength. In this case, the narrative directly contradicts your interpretation.
While I respect the attempt to argue that Suzaku is stronger than Kirin, I completely disagree with the level of disparity you suggest between the two. Not only does it go against Selene’s statements, but it also implies that Suzaku is vastly superior to Kirin, which is simply not supported by the manga. Mashima’s statement regarding Suzaku and Laxus must be understood within the context of the Labyrinth arc, where Laxus’ power was still relatively close to Kirin’s, even after defeating him.

Defeating an opponent with a single decisive blow is extremely common in Fairy Tail — Natsu and Erza do it all the time — and it does not mean the attack itself lacked power. Laxus defeated Kirin using an enormous amount of magical energy. It is also important to remember that before receiving Elexion’s buff, Laxus was not able to compete evenly with Kirin and was consistently being overwhelmed. Therefore, it is incorrect to claim that Laxus became overwhelmingly superior to Kirin during that arc. He surpassed him in power, yes, but the gap between them was likely not that large, especially considering Mashima explicitly stated that a fight between Laxus and Suzaku would be a close one.
Defeating an opponent with a single decisive blow is extremely common in Fairy Tail — Natsu and Erza do it all the time — and it does not mean the attack itself lacked power. Laxus defeated Kirin using an enormous amount of magical energy. It is also important to remember that before receiving Elexion’s buff, Laxus was not able to compete evenly with Kirin and was consistently being overwhelmed. Therefore, it is incorrect to claim that Laxus became overwhelmingly superior to Kirin during that arc. He surpassed him in power, yes, but the gap between them was likely not that large, especially considering Mashima explicitly stated that a fight between Laxus and Suzaku would be a close one.
But it was just a vague statement with a uncertainty expression. The narrative was just that the BDSK were the elite members, Haku the weakest would face Wendy, but to show that he is an elite stronger than Kyria and Skullion Wendy needed Irene help. Then Kirin and Misaki are used as the Laxus and Erza counterparts. And then the true strongest would face the protagonist, not lose and help the protagonist against the arc boss. The supposed equality was like the spriggan 12 equality that later we have multiple exceptions including even Wall as the weakest. And Selene said TWO OF THE strongest



The Selene statement is even more vague, even Haku could be stronger by Selene statement alone, because she didn't said THE TWO strongest. What she said means that Laxus and Kirin are just among the strongest in labyrinth, because the narrative was that Kirin was Laxus counterpart and the two are elite members from their respective guilds.

Even after being one shotted Kirin still wanted to give excuses to say he could have won. So if the level of disparity between the Suzaku is basically the same he has with Laxus, it's just normal that there was no portrayal putting Suzaku in a pedestal. But Kirin making excuses don't puts him close to Laxus.

Besides i place Alvarez Serious Natsu and Jellal a tier above Neinhart because they one shotted him for example. In the context of Kirin fight, Laxus was indeed being overwhelmed but i think it's important to point that Kirin was using an coffin that was specially effective on Laxus. Not saying kirin was not stronger, but he was the one using an advantage and later gave excuses about labyrinth walls. And my point is Laxus, the moment Laxus got the buff he one shotted Kirin, it's not like the Jura fight where Laxus start overhwelmed and then win without a buff. Natsu himself in most of the manga is solidly weaker than the arc bosses but with Dragon Force he reach the same tier of them, because these mode changes upscales them. And Gray used everything he had in the final blow against Viernes, while Laxus final blow just seemed to be an regular attack from his new mode change.

And if Natsu, Erza, Gray, and the rest of Team A had time to grow stronger, then Laxus — as one of Fairy Tail’s most prominent characters — has almost certainly evolved as well and is now far stronger than he was during the Labyrinth arc. The current Suzaku likely does not even compare to the current Laxus.
The power growth in this series is not automatic, just look at pre-Viernes Gray. Can also mention Natsu in Elentir and Wendy in Gold Owl, the power growth in 100YQ has never been consistent to say this character grew stronger without seeing anything.

Lastly, that argument involving Karameel and Irene never made any sense, as there is simply no correlation between the two.
Wed glazed the fraudnarios over Irene, and Karameel performance makes Luso performance looks like a joke
 

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There are circumstances that can define their power level. Erza can extreme diff her opponent but Laxus easy diff or Laxus extreme diff and Erza easy diff. There are many possibilities.
Maybe not this extreme but one opponent can be more difficult to beat than another depending on the type of magic they’re using and who’s fighting them.
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But it was just a vague statement with a uncertainty expression. The narrative was just that the BDSK were the elite members, Haku the weakest would face Wendy, but to show that he is an elite stronger than Kyria and Skullion Wendy needed Irene help. Then Kirin and Misaki are used as the Laxus and Erza counterparts. And then the true strongest would face the protagonist, not lose and help the protagonist against the arc boss. The supposed equality was like the spriggan 12 equality that later we have multiple exceptions including even Wall as the weakest. And Selene said TWO OF THE strongest



The Selene statement is even more vague, even Haku could be stronger by Selene statement alone, because she didn't said THE TWO strongest. What she said means that Laxus and Kirin are just among the strongest in labyrinth, because the narrative was that Kirin was Laxus counterpart and the two are elite members from their respective guilds.
Selene does talk about how Laxus is one of the strongest members of Fairy tail. Now with the Spriggan I wonder if the ranking is based just on their magical power or is Hiro including other things like durability
 

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Fairy Tail is so funny :D I think I am dropping Tower of God and reading this instead :derp
 

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A new illustration from Hiro for the 20th anniversary of Fairy Tail

Wtf is that for a shitty and ugly artstyle from Hiro?

Edit: Also from Hiro "2026 is the year of Fairy Tail's 20th anniversary, Look forward for a festive 2026" Hiro Mashima
 
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