Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Again, like last time, I don't think we're going anywhere. I'll let you have the last word, but I'll outline a few things:

There is no proof that Red Lightning is different enough from regular lightning. There should be no reason why Wahl can't analyze it.

In fact, there is proof that Red Lightning is lightning, but just a higher level of it.

Therefore, Wahl should be able to absorb RL with no problem because Red Lightning is lightning.

There really isn't any other difference other than the color and strength of the lightning.


And as for your second paragraph, it really doesn't matter about the caliber of the attack. If something is your weakness, it will be your weakness regardless of how strong it is.

But Wahl's lightning weakness should not have existed.

That's exactly why, in Wahl's case, weakness has nothing to do with losing and should not be used as an excuse for his durability.

Wahl's durability just sucks.

I don't think anybody here has ever provided proof or evidence of Wahl having good durability other than being hit by regular lightning.


How does Bloodman have a choice in which form he takes? The dude is already dead.

That's just a Historia of him, so Neinhart can practically choose any form he wants.

And how do you even know Bloodman 3rd Seal = Base Wahl?

For all we know, Bloodman could be casually beating up Rogue in his 3rd Seal while Wahl has to go all out in base mode to injure Minerva.

There's a very good reason why Wall can't analyze red lightning. He himself said that he couldn't do it. There's no reason to believe he is lying. It wasn't as if convincing Laxus that he couldn't analyze it would have changed anything. It would have served Wall absolutely no purpose to lie to himself about what he can or cannot analyze. Which means the only reason to assume that Wall is lying is to assume that Hiro wants to intentionally confuse and lie to the reader about something so trivial, and I find that to be neigh implausible.

Being unable to analyze red lightning should prove that red lightning doesn't work the same way as Laxus' regular lightning, because Wall doesn't seem to have any problem analyzing regular lightning.

Wall is not naturally immune to lightning He is actually naturally weak to lightning. He's compensated for that weakness by turning lightning into something that he can use to power-himself up. When he's faced with a form of lightning that he can't use as a power-source, then that defense will no longer provide him immunity. This doesn't suggest that Wall's durability against any other attack is weak. It just means that Wall is weak to lightning, and Laxus has a special form of lightning that Wall can't convert into power.

 

[Char]

My new fairy tail guild ranks:

Gildarts
Laxus
Natsu/gray/df gajeel
Mira/ erza
Gajeel

Although Natsu may now be next to Glidartz lol...

 

[Woodenstool]

This chapter should cement the fact that Gray, Gajeel and Natsu are all stronger than Erza now. It's funny because Gray hasn't used his trump card yet.

Neinhart is weak, anyone can one shot him. Erzas faster, so his FDK spells mean jack shit if they can't hit.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Whoah, people actually claimed this? Gray is usually portrayed as equal to Natsu in non magical fisticuffs and he's had many impressive feats of CQC and physical ability. Wish I had been around for those arguments. Would have been fun.

Yeah. The manga portrays Natsu and Gray as equals in CQC (as seen in the Avatar Arc), but the fandom denies it because of Gray's physical appearance. To be honest, those arguments were far from being fun. Haha.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Neinhart is weak, anyone can one shot him. Erzas faster, so his FDK spells mean jack shit if they can't hit.

Maan what did I say about replying to me with silly replies. My post was mainly about Gray and and an enhanced Neinhart is strong. Natsu is fast enough to tag Erza so miss me with that.

 

[Woodenstool]

Maan what did I say about replying to me with silly replies. My post was mainly about Gray and and an enhanced Neinhart is strong. Natsu is fast enough to tag Erza so miss me with that.

Show me speed feats of Natsu that are superior to Erza's. Her armor negates 50% of the fire, if she used her wind sword, she can just blow the fire away then use the 8 Hax swords to kill Natsu.

 

[Brandish μ]

Yeah. The manga portrays Natsu and Gray as equals in CQC (as seen in the Avatar Arc), but the fandom denies it because of Gray's physical appearance. To be honest, those arguments were far from being fun. Haha.

Natsu is better than Gray at CQC... The recent chapter didn't do anything to quell that. It shows that Gray is strong in CQC.

Gray and Natsu's physical appearance isn't even that different... heck Acnologia isn't as buff as Laxus be he could oneshot him. Not sure that matters much.

 

[Nemispelled]

Wahl is immune to normal lightning. He is able to analyze normal lightning and convert it into power or whatever his explanation was. If he gets hit by lightning THAT ISNT NORMAL, it stands to reason that he can't analyze it and therefore he would be affected by it. This isn't a difficult concept to comprehend.

This is where you go wrong.

Prove what you said is true. Either you provide me with evidence that Wahl is immune only to normal lightning or it didn't happen.

I'm going straight off feats here, and him not being able to analyze it doesn't cut it because he literally said "Lightning doesn't work on me!!!".

And is Red Lightning, lightning? Yes.

It's not the concept that's difficult to understand.

It is you and other people that keep making stuff up just because you want Wahl to be one of the strongest Spriggans.

Quit downplaying Spriggans like Bloodman and Invel.

Wahl is not that strong and is at most, near Bloodman's and Invel's level.

You don't understand what immunity means in the slightest. Immunity is not something that can be overcome by sheer strength. It is not something that is affected by durability. It is an IMMUNITY. I don't know how much clearer I can get.

Look, I'm not gonna argue with you over that simple word.

Either look it up in the dictionary or accept that you don't understand it.

The reason I'm not going to explain what's different about Red Lightning is because IT DOESN'T MATTER. What the difference IS doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that a difference EXISTS.

The fact is that the difference doesn't exist.

Lightning is lightning.

Wahl simply just has poor durability without his immunity.

 

[Brandish μ]

Wahl simply just has poor durability without his immunity.

Against a lightning user, yes. Against anything else... no.

His durability is better than someone like Jacob/Neinhart/Invel when it comes to physical blows.

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

Brandish's rep took a massive hit this chapter. Now we know for certain that her hax magic can't affect a certain level of power and we know that base Natsu is far stronger than her. Looks like she is bottom barrel of the Spriggan right next to Neinheart and Jacob.

Hopefully she gets better feats against Dimaria that change my mind.

 

[Woodenstool]

Brandish's rep took a massive hit this chapter. Now we know for certain that her hax magic can't affect a certain level of power and we know that base Natsu is far stronger than her. Looks like she is bottom barrel of the Spriggan right next to Neinheart and Jacob.

Hopefully she gets better feats against Dimaria that change my mind.

No, Brandish tried shrinking Neinhart whose magic power far exceeds Natsu. Natsu himself shit himself by the mere presence of Brandish. That alone is evidence that Natsu has not the magic power of the spriggan 12. Neinhart and Brandish were said to be equal in magic power, but Irene made him stronger. That's why she couldn't shrink him.

Dimarias time magic doesn't care if you have Acnologias magic power. If you aren't able to counter, you're down. Her magic affects the entire world, if August wasn't affected by it and Jacob and God Serena was then why we're still walking together? If August wasn't affected, why isn't he far away from them? That shows that Dimarias magic is really overpowered and the Author is going to have to pull some plot device so our main cast can counter it.

 

[Arjuna]

Brandish's rep took a massive hit this chapter. Now we know for certain that her hax magic can't affect a certain level of power and we know that base Natsu is far stronger than her. Looks like she is bottom barrel of the Spriggan right next to Neinheart and Jacob.

Hopefully she gets better feats against Dimaria that change my mind.

If you remember Gray in chapter 446 told Ajeel was on the level of Brandish.So Brandish herself is not much strong.Probably a low tier Spriggan.
Sorry @Brandish i made this post.

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No, Brandish tried shrinking Neinhart whose magic power far exceeds Natsu. Natsu himself shit himself by the mere presence of Brandish. That alone is evidence that Natsu has not the magic power of the spriggan 12. Neinhart and Brandish were said to be equal in magic power, but Irene made him stronger. That's why she couldn't shrink him.

Dimarias time magic doesn't care if you have Acnologias magic power. If you aren't able to counter, you're down. Her magic affects the entire world, if August wasn't affected by it and Jacob and God Serena was then why we're still walking together? If August wasn't affected, why isn't he far away from them? That shows that Dimarias magic is really overpowered and the Author is going to have to pull some plot device so our main cast can counter it.

Being scared doesn't mean anything.Natsu wanted to fight Brandish in caracole island.Gray too was shocked on seeing Brandish but he now soloed a Spriggan.If you go back further you will see Natsu was shocked on seeing Ikusa-Tsunagi.Did it matter in the end?No.

 

[Woodenstool]

My new fairy tail guild ranks:

Gildarts
Laxus
Natsu/gray/df gajeel
Mira/ erza
Gajeel

Although Natsu may now be next to Glidartz lol...

Gildarts would blitz stomp Natsu, do I need to address this over and over again? Natsu can't react to Gildarts speed, his magic can't touch him.

 

[Brandish μ]

If you remember Gray in chapter 446 told Ajeel was on the level of Brandish.So Brandish herself is not much strong.Probably a low tier Spriggan.
Sorry @Brandish i made this post.

It's fine I don't get offended personally even if she's fodder...Her durability wouldn't be any higher than Natsu (unlike some or most of the Spriggans). She's still got strong magic, and I'm going to wait for her to fight first.

 

[Woodenstool]

If you remember Gray in chapter 446 told Ajeel was on the level of Brandish.So Brandish herself is not much strong.Probably a low tier Spriggan.
Sorry @Brandish i made this post.

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Being scared doesn't mean anything.Natsu wanted to fight Brandish in caracole island.Gray too was shocked on seeing Brandish but he now soloed a Spriggan.If you go back further you will see Natsu was shocked on seeing Ikusa-Tsunagi.Did it matter in the end?No.

Did you not read the chapter? Ffs. Gray got a bullshit power up which is why he was blitzing Invel. Neinhart would get frozen by Invel then sliced in half.

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If you remember Gray in chapter 446 told Ajeel was on the level of Brandish.So Brandish herself is not much strong.Probably a low tier Spriggan.
Sorry @Brandish i made this post.

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Being scared doesn't mean anything.Natsu wanted to fight Brandish in caracole island.Gray too was shocked on seeing Brandish but he now soloed a Spriggan.If you go back further you will see Natsu was shocked on seeing Ikusa-Tsunagi.Did it matter in the end?No.

Natsu had to use Igneels flames and charge up a ball of fire.

 

[Arjuna]

Did you not read the chapter? Ffs. Gray got a bullshit power up which is why he was blitzing Invel. Neinhart would get frozen by Invel then sliced in half.

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Natsu had to use Igneels flames and charge up a ball of fire.

First of all Gray used his own power.He got emotional but that doesn't change the fact that he fought on his own power.
Secondly,Natsu didn't use Igneel's power against Ikusa-Tsunagi.He only used it against Zeref.It's a one time usage.He can't use it more than once.Natsu himself said that.Opening the Dragon Tatoo was the indication of using it.

 

[Boomburst]

This is where you go wrong.

Prove what you said is true. Either you provide me with evidence that Wahl is immune only to normal lightning or it didn't happen.

I'm going straight off feats here, and him not being able to analyze it doesn't cut it because he literally said "Lightning doesn't work on me!!!".

And is Red Lightning, lightning? Yes.

It's not the concept that's difficult to understand.

It is you and other people that keep making stuff up just because you want Wahl to be one of the strongest Spriggans.

Quit downplaying Spriggans like Bloodman and Invel.

Wahl is not that strong and is at most, near Bloodman's and Invel's level.





Look, I'm not gonna argue with you over that simple word.

Either look it up in the dictionary or accept that you don't understand it.





The fact is that the difference doesn't exist.

Lightning is lightning.

Wahl simply just has poor durability without his immunity.

Ok let's look at it logically for a second here. Let's lay out the possibilities.

Your stance: Wahl was so weak in durability that Laxus's attack was able to overcome his immunity and kill him

My stance: Red Lightning had some sort of special property that differentiated it from the normal lightning attacks that Wahl was immune to, and therefore his immunity had no effect on the attack whatsoever

Now I think we can both agree that these two are basically the only plausible explanations as to why Wahl was affected by Red Lightning. It's either one or the other.

You want me to prove that Wahl is only immune to normal lightning? You want me to provide proof for my claims? I don't have to. I just have to disprove the contrary. Unless there is some third explanation you believe could be possible that you for whatever reason have been holding back this entire time, I don't have to prove MY claims, I just have to disprove YOURS. And I have been.

Immunity is not affected in any way whatsoever by durability or strength. Doesn't matter how durable Wahl is, doesn't matter how strong Laxus is. If Wahl is immune, he cannot be affected by anything of the same properties as the attacks that didn't affect him, which is in this case normal lightning. You want a dictionary definition for immunity? Go look it up yourself. All you've done in your comments concerning this is to avoid it completely without a single counterargument to this claim. I should not have to provide further evidence for you when you won't even provide me with any points to dispute mine.

I've provided proof for my counterargument. I may not have sufficient evidence to support my own point of view, but I've provided adequate proof to disprove your point and that is enough. You, however, have not. You have not provided any proof to support your own claims, nor have you provided any proof that my claims are inaccurate. If I can disprove your claim and you can neither prove your claim nor disprove mine, then my claim is the more accurate one by process of elimination. Basic logic buddy. Learn it.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Natsu is better than Gray at CQC... The recent chapter didn't do anything to quell that. It shows that Gray is strong in CQC.

Gray and Natsu's physical appearance isn't even that different... heck Acnologia isn't as buff as Laxus be he could oneshot him. Not sure that matters much.

Based on what is Natsu better than Gray in CQC? If physical appearance isn't it, then what is it? I've literally been searching for the answer...

I was under the impression that the fandom thought Gray was bad at CQC because he is physically weak (judged by his appearance). In other words, he's not like Laxus who is naturally big or Natsu who has Dragon Force.

Personally, I thought the recent chapter demonstrated Gray's skills in CQC pretty well. He is obviously on Natsu's level. I don't see any difference whatsoever between the two.

 

[Brandish μ]

Based on what is Natsu better than Gray in CQC? If physical appearance isn't it, then what is it? I've literally been searching for the answer...

I was under the impression that the fandom thought Gray was bad at CQC because he is physically weak (judged by his appearance). In other words, he's not like Laxus who is naturally big or Natsu who has Dragon Force.

Personally, I thought the recent chapter demonstrated Gray's skills in CQC pretty well. He is obviously on Natsu's level. I don't see any difference whatsoever between the two.

Based on his magic, and the CQC feats Natsu has with them. And to be clear CQC is more than just hand-to-hand to me... otherwise Jacob is better than Natsu.

Well I think those impressions can be "first impressions" but once they fight damage done and efficiency are pretty much it for CQC feats. But I do think what you say does have influence to interpretation for some.

I think Gray's CQC with DeS went up a notch during his fight with Invel; and he has made ground on Natsu (for my ranks)... but Natsu is stilll above in terms of power, imo.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Based on his magic, and the CQC feats Natsu has with them. And to be clear CQC is more than just hand-to-hand to me... otherwise Jacob is better than Natsu.

Well I think those impressions can be "first impressions" but once they fight damage done and efficiency are pretty much it for CQC feats. But I do think what you say does have influence to interpretation for some.

I think Gray's CQC with DeS went up a notch during his fight with Invel; and he has made ground on Natsu (for my ranks)... but Natsu is stilll above in terms of power, imo.

My definition of CQC is pretty much just hand-to-hand combat skills (blade-to-blade for sword users). If one character can outclass the other in close-quarters-combat, they automatically have better CQC in my book. With that said, yes, Jacob is better than Natsu in CQC. That also goes for Gray and virtually anyone else on their level for that matter. Why do I say this? Because that is literally all the notable feats Jacob has at this point. The only reason why he isn't ranked high on my list, despite his excellence in CQC, is because his attack power and intelligence is just far below average.

As for the Gray and Natsu comparison, they both fought each other in the Avatar Arc, and both were able to trade the same amount of blows. Therefore, both Natsu and Gray are equal when it comes to CQC.