Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Gut's is the man]

No it doesn't. It's a tiny design on the cover page. It proves nothing. I'm going to take an interview where the author says he originally planned the series to last for 10 volumes (16 volumes before END was even hinted at) over the speculation of some dude looking too deeply into every letter on Hiro's artwork. The word end isn't exactly uncommon.

Especially since Hiro has been known to say that he makes up stuff as he goes along.

It's tiny. But that why is a pretty big case of forshadowing. This was before Mashima started using digital. That title was drawn in front of the original drawing and not digitally moved. To not cover it compeltly had to have intentional.


Also mashima flip flooped on idea before. (he said in interviews only three months apart after the series ended. 1. He told his editors after tartaros. that the series would end in two years. Then in a later interview with his newest editor present, he wanted to end the series 2 years before. Not too mention contradicted world details such as magic cannot be inherited in spite of the multiple cases of magic being inheritable and how a bloodline carrying on a magical tradition is required for the plot. The mobilie fortress during the Oricon Seis arc losing a leg between chapter which even he commented on, and this is a big one: when Neinhart magic was introduced he commented that once a character dies in the series. They can't come back..... what bs plot writting occurs over the curse of the second half of the arc to point of comedy?) Also, while he makes a ton of shit up. He does plan 'some ideas' out. (The dragon parents being inside of the slayers)

 

[Arjuna]

@Axiomus
@Gut's is the man

I will say Mashima probably originally wanted to make END a villain amd super strong at least in the Tartaros arc.But later he changed his mind for whatever reasons,and this was one of the top 10 worst mistakes he ever comitted.You 2 read NNT.See how Nakaba made Assault Meliodas a threat,or Allen Walker as a Noah in D Gray Man or Inuyasha and his Demon blood in Inuyasha.Mashima should have done this.
Made him super strong,kind of like in Dragon Cry and also as evil as other Etherious

 

[Gut's is the man]

@Axiomus
@Gut's is the man

I will say Mashima probably originally wanted to make END a villain amd super strong at least in the Tartaros arc.But later he changed his mind for whatever reasons,and this was one of the top 10 worst mistakes he ever comitted.You 2 read NNT.See how Nakaba made Assault Meliodas a threat,or Allen Walker as a Noah in D Gray Man or Inuyasha and his Demon blood in Inuyasha.Mashima should have done this.
Made him super strong,kind of like in Dragon Cry and also as evil as other Etherious

I honestly think END will come into play during the hundred year quest.

 

[Arjuna]

I honestly think END will come into play during the hundred year quest.

He didn't put it in the main series and if he puts it in tbe sequel oh boy

especially when i am not reading the sequel

 

[Gut's is the man]

He didn't put it in the main series and if he puts it in tbe sequel oh boy

especially when i am not reading the sequel

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a major reason behind Alvarez arc of quality was his unsureness of wheather the sequel would happen and thus kept some plot points on the back burner. Eventually it took so long for confirmation that there wasn't enough time for those plots to be addressed and so had to hurry the arc. (Compare the arc before and after the fight with bloodman. The quality difference from art to pacing is stunning.)

 

[MangerDan]

I honestly think END will come into play during the hundred year quest.

How would that happe the book and seed are gone?

 

[Gut's is the man]

How would that happe the book and seed are gone?

The seed isn't actually gone. Natsu can use DS magic even thought he dragon seed was destroyed, so while he rejected both nature for the sake of his humanity, they aren't actually gone.

 

[Axiomus]

It's tiny. But that why is a pretty big case of forshadowing. This was before Mashima started using digital. That title was drawn in front of the original drawing and not digitally moved. To not cover it compeltly had to have intentional.


Also mashima flip flooped on idea before. (he said in interviews only three months apart after the series ended. 1. He told his editors after tartaros. that the series would end in two years. Then in a later interview with his newest editor present, he wanted to end the series 2 years before. Not too mention contradicted world details such as magic cannot be inherited in spite of the multiple cases of magic being inheritable and how a bloodline carrying on a magical tradition is required for the plot. The mobilie fortress during the Oricon Seis arc losing a leg between chapter which even he commented on, and this is a big one: when Neinhart magic was introduced he commented that once a character dies in the series. They can't come back..... what bs plot writting occurs over the curse of the second half of the arc to point of comedy?) Also, while he makes a ton of shit up. He does plan 'some ideas' out. (The dragon parents being inside of the slayers)

Why would being tiny be a big case of foreshadowing? It's a design. It doesn't have to mean anything. It's not even located near Natsu. It's under Loki's leg. The fact of the matter is, Hiro Mashima originally planned the series to be 10 volumes. He may have flip-flopped since then, but that doesn't change the fact that this is 16 volumes before END is ever mentioned. 400+ chapters. Not once before the Tartarus arc had the END even been hinted at.

The seed isn't actually gone. Natsu can use DS magic even thought he dragon seed was destroyed, so while he rejected both nature for the sake of his humanity, they aren't actually gone.

Spoiler: The seeds were destroyed. We literally see them get shattered

The seeds were growing because Natsu doubted his humanity. When he strengthened his resolve as a human, the seeds broke.

 

[Arjuna]

Another proof that Mashima originally wanted to make END a strong fighter was the mural of Dragon King Festival where a mage using fire was fighting Acnologia wearing Natsu's scarf.For some weird reason he dropped that plot completely and didn't even mention who that mage was.

 

[WoWfan]

How does raw power allow someone to counter the abilities of a god when Wendy couldn't do jack shit without Ultears help and even dragon force couldn't even hurt her. Chronos is beyond the power of a dragon.

Natsu has to be in END mode to be able to stop time. Plus Natsu was restrained by anti magic cuffs. So he had to be END

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu has to be in END mode to be able to stop time. Plus Natsu was restrained by anti magic cuffs. So he had to be END

Natsu can't stop time. END can't either. END was able to move through Dimaria's time because, as Dimaria herself says, END's power surpasses that of a god. It stands to reason that anyone stronger than Dimaria, in other words stronger than the god Chronos, should be able to move in Dimaria's time. This includes Natsu without END's power, because Natsu himself is stronger using his own magic than with END's power. He was also able to burn away Zeref's time magic, which is a stronger than Dimaria's time magic.

Spoiler: Time itself is burning up

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[WoWfan]

Natsu can't stop time. END can't either. END was able to move through Dimaria's time because, as Dimaria herself says, END's power surpasses that of a god. Anyone with magic power stronger than Dimaria should be able to move in Dimaria's time.

Sorry, typo, I meant not be effected by stopped time. Not really, because she said a god, not herself, which are stated to be two distinct entities. People shown to move in time if they have Time Magic, or someone like END. Because he has anti magic cuffs which cut off his magic powers. And it is described as END’s power, which is after the chapter.

He was able to burn away time because he reached the temperature needed to effect time because of his flames of emotion, before this he could not beat time magic of Zeref or Ultear. That is different from END moving in stopped time

 

[Gut's is the man]

Natsu has to be in END mode to be able to stop time. Plus Natsu was restrained by anti magic cuffs. So he had to be END

Why are you telling me this? I've been arguing for END the entire time.

 

[Axiomus]

Sorry, typo, I meant not be effected by stopped time. Not really, because she said a god, not herself, which are stated to be two distinct entities. People shown to move in time if they have Time Magic, or someone like END. Because he has anti magic cuffs which cut off his magic powers. And it is described as END’s power, which is after the chapter.

He was able to burn away time because he reached the temperature needed to effect time because of his flames of emotion, before this he could not beat time magic of Zeref or Ultear. That is different from END moving in stopped time

Chronos is the god Dimaria was talking about. When Dimaria says "How could he move through my time? How could he have power greater than a god?", she's implying that END's power being stronger than Chronos was what allowed Natsu to move through her time. It would make no sense if she was just referring to some random god that neither she or Natsu, or the reader, have any idea about.

Burning away Zeref's time magic is a greater feat than moving through Dimaria's time, because Zeref had Fairy Heart. Fairy Heart was an infinite source of magic power. Natsu at his strongest is simply stronger than END if we look at the opponents that he can beat. Natsu's power level can be a bit inconsistent, so I can agree that he may not be able to move in Dimaria's time in base mode. But in FDK mode? Dragon Force? When he's amped up on PoF? The 7 dragon mode he had at the end? The version of Natsu that faced Zeref would do just fine against Dimaria.

 

[WoWfan]

Actually it would because that is what Zeref entailed, because END was created to kill Zeref who himself has the curse of the God Anksarem. That that is why, it not some powerful magic that can surpass her, it has to be a power that allows him to not be effected by stopped time or God powers, or quite possibly defeat it.

He could not use any mode besides END mode because of the Magic cuffs nullifying and sealing his magic. If it is a matter of power, then even a Spriggan like Brandish should not be stopped since her magic can effect Dimaria

 

[Rax]

I wonder what'll be changed in the anime

 

[Axiomus]

Actually it would because that is what Zeref entailed, because END was created to kill Zeref who himself has the curse of the God Anksarem. That that is why, it not some powerful magic that can surpass her, it has to be a power that allows him to not be effected by stopped time or God powers, or quite possibly defeat it.

He could not use any mode besides END mode because of the Magic cuffs nullifying and sealing his magic. If it is a matter of power, then even a Spriggan like Brandish should not be stopped since her magic can effect Dimaria

Zeref is not a god though. Ankhseram's curse is also not a time-related power. Even if END was designed to be super effective against the Ankhseram's curse, that doesn't mean that END was designed to have anti-time powers. As far as we can tell, END's power is just fire. It's simply on a level that is far stronger than Dimaria's magic power. Brandish and Dimaria should be around the same level, so their powers can affect each other. END's power is much stronger. It grew to the point that Brandish's power couldn't affect it either, which is why Brandish couldn't shrink the tumor to save Natsu.

Correct. Natsu did not use any modes other than END's power because of the cuffs. We know that he used END's power to beat Dimaria.

 

[WoWfan]

That is the thing though, Age seal is god related magic since it came from a god, like how the curse is from a god.

If it is a matter of becoming stronger than a god, then Natsu should have killed Zeref in their final battle but didn’t because of the curse of Anhkseram, so there is more than just being stronger, it is a matter of what can work.

We know that END power is different from other known Magics and curses. Though it is still demonic in nature for Gray to effect it

 

[Axiomus]

That is the thing though, Age seal is god related magic since it came from a god, like how the curse is from a god.

If it is a matter of becoming stronger than a god, then Natsu should have killed Zeref in their final battle but didn’t because of the curse of Anhkseram, so there is more than just being stronger, it is a matter of what can work.

We know that END power is different from other known Magics and curses. Though it is still demonic in nature for Gray to effect it

Yes age seal is a god related magic, but END's power is not god slaying magic. It's just fire. Keep in mind that Chelia, while being a god slayer, does not possess any abilities that directly counter Dimaria's age seal.

We're not talking about Natsu's ability to beat the Ankhseram's curse. We're talking about his ability to beat time magic. Not all gods are equal either. It's entirely reasonable to say that Natsu is powerful enough to burn Chronos' time magic, but not powerful enough to burn Ankhseram's curse. We know Igneel's power would have killed Zeref, and Igneel's magic is virtually the same as Natsu's. Igneel is just way stronger.

 

[WoWfan]

I am not saying it is god slayer magic, it is simply put a power that surpasses the power of a god, that is why Zeref made END. I know that even Cheria was still effected by age seal, but god slayer magic like other slayer Magics just makes the user immune to respective elemental based abilities and makes their attacks more effective against gods. While Mira at top condition could not even harm Zilconis, yet a tired out Wendy caused the most damage, it is a means of what can effect others

Though you have to realize that the two have same origins from a god and how to correlate to Natsu who is described to “surpass the power of a god” and how it means. And no, he was not described to burn Mari’s magic, just as END can move in stopped time. With Ingeel’s magic is because he was in the afterlife, not because it was powerful, otherwise, what would be the point of END since they met before

And looking back, Dimaria said “Only END could do it”