She flat out admits she can't defeat Suzaku in human form. Her talk about distortions is irrelevant, because she's not talking about what she wants. She's talking about what she can or cannot do.
Or simply manipulates them into doing her work for her as that is what manipulative people do. It is as it is part of her personality which defines what she wants.
DarkLord, so? No one defeated her even when one of their strongest had her own power up, that would be said on their part. Really the only hope they have is Natsu’s Savage Flames at best.
Are we to believe what Selene said that she values distortions which included her desire to lose? And even found herself disappointed in the defeat of someone on Suzaku’s level too.
Not misrepresenting if it’s what happened, she even stated she doesn’t mind losing to him as it is a distortion, and we all knows she values those. and yet Wendy defeated Haku who scales ro Suzaku, and Selene said Irene’s poweris greater than Wendy’s so by that token, Irene is still stronger, and this is her as a persona which would make her base even stronger. That is solid fact. You can have that “supposed” feat for Suzaku if you want, it is completely beneath the scaling with Irene and by extension August still. Then lets take another scaling feat, Jellal took damage from a dragon form Acnologia and survived, and not only that got back up and still utilized his magic power, while Suzaku’s master who he himself stated is stronger than himself was crushed by a dragon form Selene’s paw. And Jellal was curve stomped by August who scales to Irene. So there, it doesn’t matter if she didn’t dodge or not, the scaling is there. And that was not Irene’s best shot as she used U1 against Acno to take that fight.
1) Wendy lost without Irene's help. Irene got blitzed and placed in a doll and would have been fucked without Wendy's save. So it explicitly took 2 of them to beat Haku, and he's the weakest one. 2 of them, to "beat" the weakest. An he was literally faking it. The thing you keep trying to attribute to Selene. Haku was literally pretending to be down lol.
2) Selene stated she couldn't win as a human, and he stood no chance against a dragon: She was going to deal with Irene in human form, on her literal death bed. How does that slightly suggest she's stronger?
3) August won by hax. Not pure power. Look at the examples you gave. He was able to contend with Acno power wise, just like Irene did. She's not even better than Jellal.
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An August doesn't scale to Irene. He's stronger than her.
1) Wendy lost without Irene's help. Irene got blitzed and placed in a doll and would have been fucked without Wendy's save. So it explicitly took 2 of them to beat Haku, and he's the weakest one. 2 of them, to "beat" the weakest. An he was literally faking it. The thing you keep trying to attribute to Selene. Haku was literally pretending to be down lol.
2) Selene stated she couldn't win as a human, and he stood no chance against a dragon: She was going to deal with Irene in human form, on her literal death bed. How does that slightly suggest she's stronger?
3) August won by hax. Not pure power. Look at the examples you gave. He was able to contend with Acno power wise, just like Irene did. She's not even better than Jellal.
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An August doesn't scale to Irene. He's stronger than her.
if by help you mean words and using Wendy’s spells and magic then yeah, nothing about Irene’s own power contributed to it s she stated. She did not as she would react in time to get Wendy’s magic power into her to perform the multi-personality enchantment. She never showed any signs of surprise As other people who were transformed into dolls were. Remember Haku did that because Irene was giving her advice, nothing about having power within her so he would assume that she was a powerless persona. Plus she reacted to Acno which scales above anything Haku can do In speed, and Jellal could react to Dragon Acno breath attack, and Dragon forms scale above and outside human form stats, and Jellal was manhandled by August. Selene could very well have been using them for her own ends as she typically does, she even expresses disappointment without any anger in Haku’s defeat. You mean as a persona who wouldn’t scale above her base form? Yeah, no real comparison, August has physical stats to you know, nothing proved on screen it was hax only. August even reacted and blocked Gildarts who scales above Jellal. Jellal was downed by Neinhart, no way his skills are better. He does as multiple times they have been stated to scale.
This doesn't mean anything lol. They think Eileen is stronger than human acnologia. Dude you know the amount of wank and simps on here, they try to paint this picture of how 100% Eileen is. It's literally pointless
If you think that Suzaku is stronger than Human form DG, then by that logic he is stronger than human Acno, which Wendy defeated Haku who scales to Suzaku who Selene said Irene is stronger than Wendy. Transitive Properties.
if by help you mean words and using Wendy’s spells and magic then yeah, nothing about Irene’s own power contributed to it s she stated. She did not as she would react in time to get Wendy’s magic power into her to perform the multi-personality enchantment. She never showed any signs of surprise As other people who were transformed into dolls were. Remember Haku did that because Irene was giving her advice, nothing about having power within her so he would assume that she was a powerless persona. Plus she reacted to Acno which scales above anything Haku can do In speed, and Jellal could react to Dragon Acno breath attack, and Dragon forms scale above and outside human form stats, and Jellal was manhandled by August. Selene could very well have been using them for her own ends as she typically does, she even expresses disappointment without any anger in Haku’s defeat. You mean as a persona who wouldn’t scale above her base form? Yeah, no real comparison, August has physical stats to you know, nothing proved on screen it was hax only. August even reacted and blocked Gildarts who scales above Jellal. Jellal was downed by Neinhart, no way his skills are better. He does as multiple times they have been stated to scale.
You always harping on this supposed lie from Selene, despite the feats and literal repeating, yet you act oblivious to the fact Irene lied. She is literally a ball of magic power. An if she and Wendy didn't work together they would have lost.
Haku blitzed her.
August used hax to win. We are literally told how his magic works lmfao. Had Jellal figured it out, he coulda pulled a victory too. An woulda been ready when he stood back up thanks to Edolas's staves. That blow he took to save the squad? An ended up in water under an anchor? Then KOed buddy in one go? Lol
Selene praised Suzaku. An she thought she could deal with Irene in human form while literally fucking dying.
Haku doesn't scale to suzaku. He was literally one shot by sky drill. Like haku literally got one shot. He and misaki took the lowest number of hits, before getting dogged. The only hit haku took was when he purposely walked into Wendy's roar
The bias is just unreal. It's fucking disgusting. Suzaku literally asked selene if she threw the fight and she said yes she did because she could have gone dragon form but she admitted she lost in human form, there's no reason for her to lie in her dragon form, like literally. What's she gonna gain by lying to suzaku? She admits that she acknowledges his strength
You always harping on this supposed lie from Selene, despite the feats and literal repeating, yet you act oblivious to the fact Irene lied. She is literally a ball of magic power. An if she and Wendy didn't work together they would have lost.
Haku blitzed her.
August used hax to win. We are literally told how his magic works lmfao. Had Jellal figured it out, he coulda pulled a victory too. An woulda been ready when he stood back up thanks to Edolas's staves. That blow he took to save the squad? An ended up in water under an anchor? Then KOed buddy in one go? Lol
Selene praised Suzaku. An she thought she could deal with Irene in human form while literally fucking dying.
Why would Irene lie? If she did use her power as a ball of magic power, then why didn’t Haku say it? The reason he turned her into a doll was because she was giving Wendy words of advice and she had to get some of Wendy’s magic before being turned into a doll since Wendy could not react to it, this showed that Irene can react. And yet he doesn’t use it all the time as the manga stated, we see him block physically Gildart’s attack when he tried to take him by surprise, If Gildarts couldn’t then Jellal could not. Yet he didn’t, even if he had those staves where were weak magic as he stated when he used them against Jura. And Jura was weaker than GS, and Jellal was knocked out by Neinhart, the water had nothing to do with it since it takes a long time to take in water while conscious where you can hold your breath, but if unconscious then it would be near instant. So? He remained conscious when massively weakened before, that would show that Jellal either has weak dura or Neinhart has great power. Acno praised Irene too, Irene had no human form, she was a persona, Irene even said the wound inflicted on Selene by Ignia she transferred into her would not be enough to kill her.
Who the fuck believes Irene can match Human Acno?Even as a big Irene stan who still claims shes stronger as Suzaku,i think such a statement is retarded.
Hiro crystal clear changed Acnos whole personality.Yes,as a even bigger Acno stan i have my eyes on such big changes/details
Acno was introduced to us as someone who dont even speak to "normal" humans as he sees them as insects.That was also shown on Tenrou Island as didnt speak a single word
In the Tartaros Arc,he only spoke with Igneel.Which is understandable as Igneel is no Human and no mere fodder Dragon.Dude also punched Acno in his face.A bit of shit talk from a no serious Acno was fine.
Between Tartaros and Alvarez,he spoke with Zeref.Which also gets a pass as Zeref is also no "normal" human and the most well known Dark Mage.Zeref is the second,if not the most well known Name in the FT verse.
In the Alvarez Arc,he ignored Jacob,August and GS.He killed GS quick and thats it.No talk or interaction with them.Which is the way he threat Humans
BUT for no reasons,Acno started to interact and talk with Irene.Changing his whole character.And before someone comes with "Irene was the Dragon Queen hence he talked with her",no,Acnologia himself confirmed that he didnt know who she is when he first meet her.Which makes his behavior even more senseless
To make it short,Hiro had to change his whole personality in other to save the WHOLE cast from getting blitzed and ripped apart.Acnologia ignoring Wendy was one of this moments as well.Talking non-stop while standing still in the RoT Dimension as well.
TLDR: Acnologia blitzes and rips Irene away the same way he killed GS
@WoWfan Stop promoting Irene against Acno and move on, Hiro decided to kill her because he knows she has no chance against a DG you're just jealous of Suzaku and you're looking for 10000 excuses and use other characters for your copium.
@WoWfan Stop promoting Irene against Acno and move on, Hiro decided to kill her because he knows she has no chance against a DG you're just jealous of Suzaku and you're looking for 10000 excuses and use other characters for your copium.
Lol let them fantasize about how hundred percent Irene takes over Erza's body and fights a Dg in human form and forces the Dg to take a dragon form. But for some reason Eileen will still use only fifty percent of that power to fight a full powered human Dg.
The simps gotta do something from making their weiners go limp. Mashima wrote Eileen out of the story cuz she has no more use. We already have suzaku. If anybody is to powerful it's selene but mashima kept selene and killed Eileen
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There's no reason for selene to lie to suzaku in her dragon form. She even states she could kill him If she wants but she was amazed by his strength. Dragon ignia>dragon selene>human ignia>suzaku>human selene.
Human selene might have more MP than dogramag and hits harder than dogramag but dogramag's durability>>Selene's durability in human form.
For me it doesn't even matter if haku becomes stronger than Eileen I don't mind. I would just accept it and move on
@WoWfan Stop promoting Irene against Acno and move on, Hiro decided to kill her because he knows she has no chance against a DG you're just jealous of Suzaku and you're looking for 10000 excuses and use other characters for your copium.
Hiro stated that Irene is one of the strongest in the series to this day Officially. If people claim that Suzaku can defeat a DG, then Irene could too since she is stronger than Wendy who defeated Haku who is on Suzaku’s level. Transitive properties
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@Steven, really I don’t mind if she is weaker than a DG, what I can’t stand is people saying that Irene is fodder because she was playing around most of the time against Erza and Wendy who struggles and gained multiple power ups and the battle was heavy with story element factors to it that prevented Irene from actually going all out at the beginning. Claiming that they use like supposed feats against DG which would be easily negated by counter points like Wendy beating someone of said level and Irene stated to be stronger, that is what I am getting at.
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Minor correction, Acno doesn’t respond to word of those he views as insects viewed Igneel as an enemy, not as a dragon, if that were the case then he would have spoke to the DS in Tenrou back then too, because they were stated to be part dragon too even before Tenrou arc. He spoke to Zeref because he was strong, which he referenced that he was surprised that Natsu could beat someone like Zeref with only losing an arm. But if that were the case, how is he not blitzing Jellal while in Dragon mode? It is made clear that there is no comparison between Serious Human form and nonchalant Dragon form. Not only that, he survived being crushed by Acno and could still operate to help his friends.
@Steven, really I don’t mind if she is weaker than a DG, what I can’t stand is people saying that Irene is fodder because she was playing around most of the time against Erza and Wendy who struggles and gained multiple power ups and the battle was heavy with story element factors to it that prevented Irene from actually going all out at the beginning.
Irene was clearly several tiers about Erza and Wendy.No need to debate this.The fight was full of PIS and plotarmor.Irene>DDSK as it stands
And to make it clear.Either Human Selene is meh or she just letting herself getting defeated.I still dont buy her "I was no match for you in my Humanform" when she had pretty much the entire time the upper hand.
And we know that Selene lies A LOT.Such a statement has to take with a grand of salt.
What also supports that Human Selene faked her lose was that Human Ignia washed Natsu/Suzaku away and Dog tanked any attack with taking 0 damage until all his orbs were destroyed.Suzaku was rly strong,in fact one of the strongest non god tiers but we saw how useless he was against Dog.And Dog is canonly the weakest DG on top of being already weaker as his Prime Counterpart
Irene was clearly several tiers about Erza and Wendy.No need to debate this.The fight was full of PIS and plotarmor.Irene>DDSK as it stands
And to make it clear.Either Human Selene is meh or she just letting herself getting defeated.I still dont buy her "I was no match for you in my Humanform" when she had pretty much the entire time the upper hand.
And we know that Selene lies A LOT.Such a statement has to take with a grand of salt.
What also supports that Human Selene faked her lose was that Human Ignia washed Natsu/Suzaku away and Dog tanked any attack with taking 0 damage until all his orbs were destroyed.Suzaku was rly strong,in fact one of the strongest non god tiers but we saw how useless he was against Dog.And Dog is canonly the weakest DG on top of being already weaker as his Prime Counterpart
Same here, especially when Suzaku struggled against someone like Dog Dude who is not even as his best even in human form to his own admission, and Selene said if it weren’t for here wounds she would be able to beat him, and before anyone jumps in at saying his durability is better, I would like to remind those people of another feat people overlooked, Selene made the moon bigger, something massively above anything Dog Dude is capable of.
Natsu is stronger than Misaki I have proof to back it up
surviving this>>>>>getting pummeled by meteor blade
overpowering weakened dogramag with fdk>>>>anything in misaki's arsenal. I want someone to legitimately try to prove me wrong. Dude got punched right in his face and still stood.
I read the kirin vs laxus fight again ngl that fight was straight garbage I think it might be even worse than Erza vs Misaki. Seriously mashima needs to stop producing villains out of his ass and have them get one shotted or two shotted.
Damn, some dude on comicvine actually believes Gildarts is far stronger than Jellal and Erza (by extension the DDSK) just cuz he used his crash on them. That's like saying Laxus, Juvia and Levy are far stronger than Natsu, Gray and Lucy. Ridiculous.
Damn, some dude on comicvine actually believes Gildarts is far stronger than Jellal and Erza (by extension the DDSK) just cuz he used his crash on them. That's like saying Laxus, Juvia and Levy are far stronger than Natsu, Gray and Lucy. Ridiculous.
Meh wanking this days doesn't shock me anymore. I've seen Wendy solos suzaku and natsu combined, I've seen Gottfried>>>fdk natsu Irene stronger than igneel. Sometimes I can't even tell if it's wank or just pure downplay.
I was shocked by Lucy being stronger than natsu. I didn't believe there's anybody that believes that until recently. That's straight up mental problem. The thing is I even tried to reason with the person about why it's a wrong thought he still insisted
Feats are meaningless in fairy tail. Granted there is power development but it always reset to the factory settings. For example, No matter how insane Natsu feats are. Gray gets to be his equal, Erza gets to be a step ahead of him, and Laxus gets to be two steps ahead of him, and Gildarts maintaining his title as the strongest mage.
Fans ranking are only based on feats, but Mashima always see it differently, He will come with statements for characters that don't have much fights like Mira jane, etc and make them catch up in scaling. It always been like that.