Gildarts is a constant source of debate when it comes to power level. It's a popular topic so this thread will serve for all Gildarts related discussion.
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If that happened, I would find it hard to Fairy Tail to win, their strongest member in the guild and the strongest person in the country leaving them might be a bit too much for their morale.Gildartz is actually a spriggan himself![]()
And how does this prove that Gildarts was pushed by Bluenote? First of all, this fight was a warm-up. None of them used their full powers. We already saw Gildarts defeat Bluenote easily towards the end when he was serious. Second of all, both contestants here look even. I would never say that Bluenote had the edge judging from these panels.Words? These are not words these are feats:
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/234/6
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/234/18
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/235/4
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/235/5
Exactly, we didn't have panels of Erza training. Did she improve? Yes. More compared to other characters? Not so much. Half the guild is still weak. That is why they are fodders. Natsu's attack on Bluenote is pretty much more than anything we've seen from Natsu currently. Same goes compared to other characters. The only characters shown to have more AoE are God Serena and Ajeel. Of course Natsu's win over Bluenote is better than Gildarts... But that was Tenrou Gildarts.That is stupid reasoning, we never had any panels of Erza training, same with half of the guild but let me guess that's different right? While if you think Natsu's casual roar is far above anthing in this arc you need better eyes, while all you're doing ti supporting my point. Natsu's win over Bluenote was way more convincing than Gildart's
Your panels proved nothing. Bluenote never pushed Gildarts. He was the one being pushed around until the end.Refer to all the scans I post above, all before having his power drained.
Whether he improved makes a big difference. We have no proof that he did, so your point is still invalid.Current Bluenote should be stronger but it's irrelevant, my points still stands.
I don't need to repeat myself. Tenrou Gildarts is different from Alvarez Gildarts. Just because Base Natsu can't defeat a Spriggan, you can't say that Gildarts would lose against one. You have no facts here and just making assumptions. Stop comparing Tenrou Gildarts with the Spriggans. We don't compare characters from different timeskips or you will introduce massive errors in your power rankings. For now, it is inconclusive like I keep saying but nothing suggests that Gildarts is below everyone else.Yes it does, based off both of their performances against Bluenote it's obvious that current Natsu has outperformed Gildarts by a big margin. If Base Natsu cant fight a Spirggan for now Gildarts can't either
Pushed, Gildart's has scuffs on his face and Bluenote was standing toe to toe with him, are you not being pushed by someone then? Gildarts was serious the WHOLE FIGHT, his facial expression says that, both contestants were bing pushed they were both fighting on par with each other and were both serious.And how does this prove that Gildarts was pushed by Bluenote? First of all, this fight was a warm-up. None of them used their full powers. We already saw Gildarts defeat Bluenote easily towards the end when he was serious. Second of all, both contestants here look even. I would never say that Bluenote had the edge judging from these panels.
Exactly, we didn't have panels of Erza training. Did she improve? Yes. More compared to other characters? Not so much. Half the guild is still weak. That is why they are fodders. Natsu's attack on Bluenote is pretty much more than anything we've seen from Natsu currently. Same goes compared to other characters. The only characters shown to have more AoE are God Serena and Ajeel. Of course Natsu's win over Bluenote is better than Gildarts... But that was Tenrou Gildarts.
Your panels proved nothing. Bluenote never pushed Gildarts. He was the one being pushed around until the end.
Whether he improved makes a big difference. We have no proof that he did, so your point is still invalid.
I don't need to repeat myself. Tenrou Gildarts is different from Alvarez Gildarts. Just because Base Natsu can't defeat a Spriggan, you can't say that Gildarts would lose against one. You have no facts here and just making assumptions. Stop comparing Tenrou Gildarts with the Spriggans. We don't compare characters from different timeskips or you will introduce massive errors in your power rankings. For now, it is inconclusive like I keep saying but nothing suggests that Gildarts is below everyone else.
No, before the Tenrou Tree fell, Gildarts was not even closed to being pushed. Both seemed equal because it was the beginning of the fight and neither of them has gone full power. It is a fact that towards the end, Gildarts used more power and hit Bluenote straight into the sky with ease. Any feats during the time when the Tenrou Tree was uprooted should not be used to fairly compare both characters as it created a disadvantage in the fight, not to mention it was nonsense.Pushed, Gildart's has scuffs on his face and Bluenote was standing toe to toe with him, are you not being pushed by someone then? Like are you dense? Gildarts was serious the WHOLE FIGHT, his facial expression says that, both contestants were bing pushed they were both fighting on par with each other and were both serious.
The whole point that I was trying to make since the beginning is that you can't assume a character did extensive training when not shown like Natsu. My point about how Bluenote might not have trained is valid. Erza, on the other hand, did get stronger so we know she trained. I never denied that. But how much did she train? To simply say she trained a lot like everyone else is not valid unless you have proof to back it up. I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish by the statements here. Yes, Natsu's roar against Bluenote is far stronger than any attacks he used on a Spriggan so far. The one he used against Zeref is Igneel's power. The rest were fodders.She improved a lot compared to all the guild bar the more prominent members who always seem to grow at an similar rate. While implying Natsu's nameless roar is more impressive than all of the Spirrgan shit not to mention Natsu's very own Fire Dragon King's roar is hilarious, Natsu literally used a stronger version of his roar but yet it's still weaker? While yes Natsu won way more easily than Gildartss that' my whole point, while you're saying Tenorou Gildarts like that matters. Like Gildarts is magically going to shoot up 10 tiers when he should of been in his prime around Tenrou.
When did I say Gildarts will definitely come back stronger? Why do people think they can just put words in other people's mouths? I specifically stated time and time again that Gildarts is inconclusive as of this point. One cannot say he is weaker for a fact until that claim is backed up by evidence. I said there is a possibility that Gildarts could get stronger. Never said he will for sure. That is why I don't make an assumption regarding his power right now except the fact that he had notable feats in the past that made him the strongest Fairy Tail member.Alverez Gildarts is featless assuming a character who should of already been in his prime to comeback wayy stronger is laughable. You blindly assuming Gildarts will come back powerful is a joke Gildarts should logically be weaker than Natsu when he returns so unless you can prove why a character like Gildarts will come back wayy stronger I suggest you sit down and be quiet.