Discussion Gildarts Clive

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Gildarts is a constant source of debate when it comes to power level. It's a popular topic so this thread will serve for all Gildarts related discussion.
 
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so yeah guys i just wanted to know what happened to Gildarts Clive and where did he go......thx in advance
 
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Lol, kinda depends where you are at in the series.

If you are all caught up, the simplest answer is we don't have a clue. There are plenty of speculations, but nothing is confirmed.

And if this was supposed to be your idea of a rhetorical or sarcastic question, then my bad for ruining it. Lol.
 

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We dont have a clue. Probably killing some monster. At one period we saw him with Natsu . He will probably return to guild when the war starts.
 

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Gildarts is hardly around in general and when he's away, we don't really know what he's up to. He could be on a mission or just roaming or something. He's bound to show up sometime when the war starts though
 

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Who knows. Probs in the slammer for destroying part of a mountain and making good use of his magazines xD
 

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Hiro cut him and Laxus out cause they're too OP.
 

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My guess is mashima is keeping Gildarts out of the picture and traveling till someone has to be saved. I get the feeling he will probably show up around the time End is revealed/unleashed upon the world.
It would be funny if he shows up and sends the shivers up Brandish's spine with his pervy aura.
 

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My guess is that he will appear right before someone is about to die and clean up a Spriggan :cheez
 

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Gildartz is actually a spriggan himself :derp
 

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Gildarts and God Serena were mind-controlled and became one of Spriggans :derp
 

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Gildartz is actually a spriggan himself :derp
If that happened, I would find it hard to Fairy Tail to win, their strongest member in the guild and the strongest person in the country leaving them might be a bit too much for their morale.
 

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The logic is being used is mostly plain assumption or baseless. When has he ever lost or had a difficult fight other than against Acnologia? SOme of the point being made against Gildart.
  • Gildart was on his prime in Tenrou arc: Gildart clearly says he hates to lose and has no intentions to losing to Natsu any time soon. Ok, this is a dictionary example of a person not in prime. When Makarov says, there is no hope they can defeat Ajeel and just run, that is a man in his primes.
  • Makarav compared Jura to Gildart in GMG: Ok, in GMG, this was being done repeatedly to hype up the opponents before a fight. Erza said she was not sure whether she could defeat Bachus and he got taken down by Elfman. Makarov was convinced that Laxus can't defeat Jura. SO that should say, either Laxus is weak or do not put much wait on pre-fight comment in GMG arc.
to ppl who think Gildart is weak just because he is not around, learn to read the subtext. Gildart is not weak because he is not being shown, he is stronger precisely for that reason. He has the same role as Hiko Seijuro in Kenshin, or Jiraya in Naruto. They need to be absent, o/w its too difficult to find ways to incapacitate a broken character like them in the arc, in order for the story to continue. Mashima used to do the same with Makarov too until tenrou but then just gave up. SO, when u start seeing Gildart regularly from the beginning of any arc that is the clue that he has gotten weaker.
 
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And how does this prove that Gildarts was pushed by Bluenote? First of all, this fight was a warm-up. None of them used their full powers. We already saw Gildarts defeat Bluenote easily towards the end when he was serious. Second of all, both contestants here look even. I would never say that Bluenote had the edge judging from these panels.

That is stupid reasoning, we never had any panels of Erza training, same with half of the guild but let me guess that's different right? While if you think Natsu's casual roar is far above anthing in this arc you need better eyes, while all you're doing ti supporting my point. Natsu's win over Bluenote was way more convincing than Gildart's
Exactly, we didn't have panels of Erza training. Did she improve? Yes. More compared to other characters? Not so much. Half the guild is still weak. That is why they are fodders. Natsu's attack on Bluenote is pretty much more than anything we've seen from Natsu currently. Same goes compared to other characters. The only characters shown to have more AoE are God Serena and Ajeel. Of course Natsu's win over Bluenote is better than Gildarts... But that was Tenrou Gildarts.

Refer to all the scans I post above, all before having his power drained.
Your panels proved nothing. Bluenote never pushed Gildarts. He was the one being pushed around until the end.

Current Bluenote should be stronger but it's irrelevant, my points still stands.
Whether he improved makes a big difference. We have no proof that he did, so your point is still invalid.

Yes it does, based off both of their performances against Bluenote it's obvious that current Natsu has outperformed Gildarts by a big margin. If Base Natsu cant fight a Spirggan for now Gildarts can't either
I don't need to repeat myself. Tenrou Gildarts is different from Alvarez Gildarts. Just because Base Natsu can't defeat a Spriggan, you can't say that Gildarts would lose against one. You have no facts here and just making assumptions. Stop comparing Tenrou Gildarts with the Spriggans. We don't compare characters from different timeskips or you will introduce massive errors in your power rankings. For now, it is inconclusive like I keep saying but nothing suggests that Gildarts is below everyone else.
 
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If i can add my 2 cents? Hopefully its respected. Obviously every one here has done their research but maybe this shouldn't simply come down to whether Laxus>Gildarts.

What about magical power? It seems to be brushed aside.

Laxus magic: Lightning: Highly Destructive, Overwhelmingly deadly

Now

Gildarts magic: Crash: Magic Nullifier, Incredibly versitle

We know crash magic is greatly effective against elemental magic as we see in Natsu vs Gildarts
Crash is even effective against a black hole.

With this in mind it stands to reason that Laxus is a bad match for his fellow S class mage, unless of course this Red Lightning can nullify Crash, which we can't possibly know.

In a 1 v 1 match, i have to give it to Gildarts

I'm not a Gildarts fan, more of a Laxus fan, but facts are facts.
 

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And how does this prove that Gildarts was pushed by Bluenote? First of all, this fight was a warm-up. None of them used their full powers. We already saw Gildarts defeat Bluenote easily towards the end when he was serious. Second of all, both contestants here look even. I would never say that Bluenote had the edge judging from these panels.



Exactly, we didn't have panels of Erza training. Did she improve? Yes. More compared to other characters? Not so much. Half the guild is still weak. That is why they are fodders. Natsu's attack on Bluenote is pretty much more than anything we've seen from Natsu currently. Same goes compared to other characters. The only characters shown to have more AoE are God Serena and Ajeel. Of course Natsu's win over Bluenote is better than Gildarts... But that was Tenrou Gildarts.



Your panels proved nothing. Bluenote never pushed Gildarts. He was the one being pushed around until the end.



Whether he improved makes a big difference. We have no proof that he did, so your point is still invalid.



I don't need to repeat myself. Tenrou Gildarts is different from Alvarez Gildarts. Just because Base Natsu can't defeat a Spriggan, you can't say that Gildarts would lose against one. You have no facts here and just making assumptions. Stop comparing Tenrou Gildarts with the Spriggans. We don't compare characters from different timeskips or you will introduce massive errors in your power rankings. For now, it is inconclusive like I keep saying but nothing suggests that Gildarts is below everyone else.
Pushed, Gildart's has scuffs on his face and Bluenote was standing toe to toe with him, are you not being pushed by someone then? Gildarts was serious the WHOLE FIGHT, his facial expression says that, both contestants were bing pushed they were both fighting on par with each other and were both serious.


She improved a lot compared to all the guild bar the more prominent members who always seem to grow at an similar rate. While implying Natsu's nameless roar is more impressive than all of the Spirrgan shit not to mention Natsu's very own Fire Dragon King's roar is hilarious, Natsu literally used a stronger version of his roar but yet it's still weaker? While yes Natsu won way more easily than Gildartss that' my whole point, while you're saying Tenorou Gildarts like that matters. Like Gildarts is magically going to shoot up 10 tiers when he should of been in his prime around Tenrou.


Alverez Gildarts is featless assuming a character who should of already been in his prime to comeback wayy stronger is laughable. Gildarts should logically be weaker than Natsu when he returns
 
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Pushed, Gildart's has scuffs on his face and Bluenote was standing toe to toe with him, are you not being pushed by someone then? Like are you dense? Gildarts was serious the WHOLE FIGHT, his facial expression says that, both contestants were bing pushed they were both fighting on par with each other and were both serious.
No, before the Tenrou Tree fell, Gildarts was not even closed to being pushed. Both seemed equal because it was the beginning of the fight and neither of them has gone full power. It is a fact that towards the end, Gildarts used more power and hit Bluenote straight into the sky with ease. Any feats during the time when the Tenrou Tree was uprooted should not be used to fairly compare both characters as it created a disadvantage in the fight, not to mention it was nonsense.

She improved a lot compared to all the guild bar the more prominent members who always seem to grow at an similar rate. While implying Natsu's nameless roar is more impressive than all of the Spirrgan shit not to mention Natsu's very own Fire Dragon King's roar is hilarious, Natsu literally used a stronger version of his roar but yet it's still weaker? While yes Natsu won way more easily than Gildartss that' my whole point, while you're saying Tenorou Gildarts like that matters. Like Gildarts is magically going to shoot up 10 tiers when he should of been in his prime around Tenrou.
The whole point that I was trying to make since the beginning is that you can't assume a character did extensive training when not shown like Natsu. My point about how Bluenote might not have trained is valid. Erza, on the other hand, did get stronger so we know she trained. I never denied that. But how much did she train? To simply say she trained a lot like everyone else is not valid unless you have proof to back it up. I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish by the statements here. Yes, Natsu's roar against Bluenote is far stronger than any attacks he used on a Spriggan so far. The one he used against Zeref is Igneel's power. The rest were fodders.

Alverez Gildarts is featless assuming a character who should of already been in his prime to comeback wayy stronger is laughable. You blindly assuming Gildarts will come back powerful is a joke Gildarts should logically be weaker than Natsu when he returns so unless you can prove why a character like Gildarts will come back wayy stronger I suggest you sit down and be quiet.
When did I say Gildarts will definitely come back stronger? Why do people think they can just put words in other people's mouths? I specifically stated time and time again that Gildarts is inconclusive as of this point. One cannot say he is weaker for a fact until that claim is backed up by evidence. I said there is a possibility that Gildarts could get stronger. Never said he will for sure. That is why I don't make an assumption regarding his power right now except the fact that he had notable feats in the past that made him the strongest Fairy Tail member.

Gildarts at his prime? Who fed you that nonsense? Show me a panel where it states that. Just because he is absent from the guild for long periods of time, it does not make him at his prime. Is Erza at her prime? I can say that she is and that she didn't get that much stronger during the timeskip. That is why Gray, Natsu, and Lucy can easily surpass her now. Before you ramble on, just note that I was obviously trying to prove a point there. I lack information about whether Erza is at her prime. Same for Gildarts.

You can suggest all you want. What you say still doesn't pertain to me.
 
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Gildarts is around 50 years old. Of course he ain't getting much stronger through normal training and is in his prime. Erza is like 20. She has waaaayyyy more training and experience left than Gildarts who has already had far more time to perfect his craft than her.
 
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I can agree with people saying Gildarts is at his prime.

Look at Third Origin. This gives someone his/her future power. Thanks to Third Origin, Chelia could use the best of her magic since she actually was herself from the future. Now how old is Gildarts? Would Third Origin even work on Gildarts? I don't think his magic will be better when he becomes old of age. If Third Origin would've been givin' to Gildarts when he was young, he'd probably became as strong as he is now.
 
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