Has superman ever been proven to move at light speed? (Serious question) Which i seriously doubt he can.
Not only that if flash can move that the speed of light and superman is slower than him, that means he can't move that fast.
Superman has gone
faster than the speed of light. When he was under the control of Maxwell Lord and was fighting against Wonder Woman (whom he believed was Doomsday who had just killed Lois Lane) Superman fought his way to the sun and back in a little under 2 minutes. Light from the sun takes 8 minutes to reach Earth.
Therefore:
Superman.
Can.
Go.
Faster.
Than.
Light.
So that doesn't mean they can't move as fast as superman does it? That just proves u need fast eyes to see it
And not only that, that doesn't mean that's as fast as they can go Gohan could have probably gone faster if needed.
Proving that they can't
not (note the double negative) do it isn't the same thing as proving that they can. Nothing has shown that DBZ guys can move anywhere near the speed of light barring teleportation.
And what is supermans strongest moment? There are that many different versions and interpretations to superman that there is no single define strongest moment, unless it's that superman prime. It would then eventually go down to peoples opinions on which version of superman is the strongest. I'll admit, my knowledge of superman is limited to that of smallville, justice league and a couple of the superman movies. And if that's the case he really isn't as strong as everyone makes out.
But my point is on this part is that there is no defined strongest moment of Superman. In each version of him (by different writers/creators or whatever) his limitations change. So please do define supermans strongest moments.
It doesn't matter, since even under different writers, Superman is still the same character, in the same continuity.
Therefore, one takes the highest feats that Superman has accomplished, and since we are using current comic book Superman for this fight, we use his canon feats, not ones from crossovers like DC vs Marvel, but one's that happened in his continuity. Specifically, the comic books, not the cartoons or the movies. We do the same thing for Goku, taking his highest end canon accomplishments and using them in order to attempt to prove he's better than so-and-so.
And the Crisis of inifinite earths is? (i don't read the comic)
A huge company-wide crossover event which occurred during the 80s, that took DC's multiverse and attempted to streamline it into one unified universe. Recently, the multiverse has made a return to the comics. The CoIE (Crisis on Infinite Earths) is most notable for resulting in the deaths of Pre-Crisis Wonder Woman, Supergirl, and most of all Barry Allen, the 2nd Flash after Jay Garrick, the Golden Age Flash.
Magic has several interpretations in itself on how it is done. Some say its paranormal activities, other believe forces of nature where others believe it can be energy from the human body - Which is Ki (energy, charka which ever you go buy) they all result in the same principle just different explanations of it. So therefore Goku's attacks COULD kill him.
But lets say it wasn't 'magic' it could still kill him, Goku can deflect energy blasts up to a point where it's to strong for him, it's very safe to assume that rule affects superman as well.
True, but the question is if Goku can create enough force to actually do anything to Superman? Superman, who can fly through the center of stars, escape the gravity of black holes, and other crazy stuff.
The talking is not because he likes it but because Akira had to put fillers in episodes to drag them out so the Anime wouldn't catch up the manga. So that statements invalid in itself.
I wouldn't really count the whole talking argument myself...
Well i'm not sure is superman has had fillers, but in dragonball z as stated already the fillers are extending fights and such and the garlic jr saga. hardly makes a big difference. But since Akira created dragonball and dragonball z AND he created the fillers they should be included as well. But it's safe to assume the strongest Goku is at that end of the pathetic DBGT supersayain 4 etc...So fillers wouldn't be of much help anyway.
I'll admit strength is leaning towards Superman, but not everythign else. No one can prove that either, and i don't mean physical evidence i mean in any theories. Superman can't move at the speed of light, Goku probably can't (unless using the instant transmission) but it doesn't mean he can't move nearly that fast or whatever. and his punches are sure as hell faster than supermans. In every show i've watched of superman and dragonball z i've never seen superman punch or kick as fast as Goku.
Toriyama didn't create the fillers, Toei Animation did. And we're not discussing animated Superman, we're discussing comic book Superman, who's in a different continuity than animated Superman, and is far stronger to boot. And I've already put up quite a few instances of Superman going faster than light. Hell, just his getting to Krypton's red sun, which is several light years away, in a fairly short amount of time inexorably blows Goku's speed out of the water.
When did that need arise? I must of missed the time when Goku needed to push a planet or moon. But then again if he needed too, he could use his energy
Once again, saying things without having any evidence to back it up.
Fair-do's but the atmosphere i'm talking of i'd assume is the Thermosphere.
Lmao you make it so entertaining. But i mean the upper atmosphere, you know the part where titanium is needed on space rockets and such so it can withstand the heat generated. It must get pretty hot up there so to withstand that amount of heat, you must be pretty tough skinned.
The thermosphere itself doesn't cause that kind of heat. The individual particles within the thermosphere are very hot, up to 2000 degrees C in fact, but the particles are spread out so thinly a normal person wouldn't even feel warm (in fact, they'd probably end up freezing to death...) Heating from re-entry is caused by aerodynamic heating, the friction of air particles against the surface of a spacecraft. Note these craft are usually moving at tens of thousands of miles per hour, which would generate massive air friction. So don't bring up stuff if you don't even remotely understand it. And by the way, Superman survives re-entry regularly, just look at the scan in page 2 (where Superman is thrown from outer space into earth with such speed and force that his impact actually causes an extinction-level event. His eventual emergence from the earth is shown in the subsequent scan.)
Where was it stated that they can't breathe in space? im curious. If that's the case then pretty much the whole of dragonball z is fillers simply because episodes were extended as the anime was catching up to the manga. Hence extra fighting scenes, longer power ups and taking as the person above mentioned.
Er, all the time? Like when Frieza directly pointed out that he could breathe in space and would therefore survive Namek's explosion, whereas Goku wouldn't because he
can't breathe in space. That was also the whole problem with wishing back Goku after the planet exploded (before they found out he was still alive). Because if they did wish him back, he'd be wished back where Namek used to be, and since Namek doesn't exist anymore Goku would just die in space. Why? Because
he can't breathe in space. And considering Frieza more than understood Goku's durability at the time, it's fairly certain that was the entire point of blowing up the planet, so Goku would suffocate in the vacuum. And don't say "Frieza doesn't understand what he's talking about," the guy had saiyans working for him for years, it'd be fairly retarded if he didn't even know that his hired warriors could breathe in space or not. And by filler I don't mean "Extra punch added here" or "short fight sequence added after ki blast." I mean entire additional scenes that weren't in the manga, like Vegeta seeing Goku as a SSJ on Namek after he got resurrected (and yes, I took that from youtube, but it's still valid).
Why can't filler be included in peoples judgement? It's happened thousands of people have seen it...I can half imagine theres been alot of Superman filler (don't quote me on that).
Because filler doesn't reflect Akira Toriyama's idea of the characters or their power levels.
It's just crap made by the animation company in order to fill time. It's practically fanfiction put on TV. And there's no Superman filler in the anime sense. Sometimes creative teams behind comics are delayed, and filler issues are published in their stead. However, these filler issues are still canon, which is more than can be said for the filler present in animes like Dragonball, Naruto, or Bleach.
Besides the person who made the treat never mentioned filler or no filler.
James.
For the sake of the integrity of the fight, and for the characters themselves,
filler shouldn't count.
