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[King Moe]

He probably does have it, but we've not seen him use it in a fight; simply because he hasn't had enough opportunities to showcase it. Now reading back your posts I can see the debate and to be fair, I didn't initially think that particular scene of him block Kanjuro rain ink was hardening but a lot of people have pointed to it, which is fair enough. That particular instance remains inconclusive and I loathe instances where I have to zoom in to confirm something lol.

We'll get confirmation in the coming chapters; it would be really weird at this point if he couldn't use it, especially with the calibre of opponents.

I mean we going to face Yonko Crew again, so to think he doesn't have experience lvl of COA at this point wouldn't make sense given he hurted and beaten those who have Hardening on their side. Plus cases are more due to his color scheme given 'Black Leg' and wears black suit after all and combine that with flames, it make sense how it's a bit harder to see it on him, but doesn't mean he is unable to do it.

 

[goldb]

I mean we going to face Yonko Crew again, so to think he doesn't have experience lvl of COA at this point wouldn't make sense given he hurted and beaten those who have Hardening on their side. Plus cases are more due to his color scheme given 'Black Leg' and wears black suit after all and combine that with flames, it make sense how it's a bit harder to see it on him, but doesn't mean he is unable to do it.

That's not what is being questioned, so you're debating that point with yourself.
As for the latter, I'd actually be curious to know if there's any instances of dark clothed characters using hardening and how that looks. I couldn't think of an example off the top of my head.

 

[kkck]

He probably does have it, but we've not seen him use it in a fight; simply because he hasn't had enough opportunities to showcase it. Now reading back your posts I can see the debate and to be fair, I didn't initially think that particular scene of him block Kanjuro rain ink was hardening but a lot of people have pointed to it, which is fair enough. That particular instance remains inconclusive and I loathe instances where I have to zoom in to confirm something lol.

We'll get confirmation in the coming chapters; it would be really weird at this point if he couldn't use it, especially with the calibre of opponents.

There are plenty of instances where it would have been useful. He fought doflamingo and vergo and did not evidence it at all... Now, it's a pretty safe bet that he will eventually have it and its even plausible that by now he has acquired the skill but as of now he shouldn't be considered a hardening user. Simply because evidence and manga events do not support it. And when he does show it we shouldn't just assume he had it all along.

 

[King Moe]

That's not what is being questioned, so you're debating that point with yourself.
As for the latter, I'd actually be curious to know if there's any instances of dark clothed characters using hardening and how that looks. I couldn't think of an example off the top of my head.

Just stating in progress level he should have it. Though alright then.

From what we know, he is only one with dark-color scheme that we don't know off unless King too who has dark-color attire, so might be hard to see if he can use it unless he coats his blade to make sure, but on his body it might be complicated to see it. Though would you doubt King doesn't have COA given it might be hard seeing with his outfit.

 

[HereNThere]

As for the latter, I'd actually be curious to know if there's any instances of dark clothed characters using hardening and how that looks. I couldn't think of an example off the top of my head

I got curious myself and looked through Katakuri's fight since he would be the most notable example.

It was never made apparent that he used Hardening on his legs, at least, when they were regular. It was only clearly Hardened when he used his fruit ability. But his fruit ability would shift his legs into white mochi...

He also never used Hardening over his gloves. Oda shifted his hands to Square Mochi by the time he used it regularly, which basically got rid of the gloves until he turned them regular.

 

[kkck]

When vergo used hardening his clothes usually turned black.

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Also worth noting, look at how oda has colored luffy's arm before (though that scan is kinda terrible):

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If oda wanted to show sanji using hardening there are plenty of ways for him to show it without it being invisible to us readers.

 

[M3J]

But what if Oda wanted Sanji to use hardening without showing it to us or making it obvious? Before you ask me why, I have no fucking idea, other than Oda being Oda.

 

[goldb]

When vergo used hardening his clothes usually turned black.

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If oda wanted to show sanji using hardening there are plenty of ways for him to show it without it being invisible to us readers.

All those examples are clothing or limbs that are shown as light in the manga or with no shading. Whereas Sanji usually wears dark clothes; that's why I was curious.

 

[kkck]

All those examples are clothing or limbs that are shown as light in the manga or with no shading. Whereas Sanji usually wears dark clothes; that's why I was curious.

True, though I'd maintain my point that if oda wanted to specifically show sanji doing this he could. He could, for instance, draw it like he did luffy's arm back in the day. Going by how the manga colors hardening it looks like you gave your limbs or swords a black chrome finish...

 

[King Moe]

True, though I'd maintain my point that if oda wanted to specifically show sanji doing this he could. He could, for instance, draw it like he did luffy's arm back in the day. Going by how the manga colors hardening it looks like you gave your limbs or swords a black chrome finish...

He did, but again color scheme of his clothing and such. You can agree to disagree all you want, but no way one could go far if they have Basic lvl and it's not that type of shading your pushing on as it shows Sanji does have Hardening already.

Again let's end conversation here given we won't change minds here.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

i mean, sanji wore a white suit in the WCI wedding. So if he used hardening, it should be easily seen without any zoom in attempts

 

[Fox666]

Judge confirmed that Sanji used hardening, despite it being not visible on his black pants.

It doesn't help that the series is inconsistent in regard of whether Haki affects clothing or not.

Also it's worth noting that the author said CoO is Sanji's speciality, so he probably doesn't use hardening as often as Luffy or Zoro.

 

[kkck]

Judge confirmed that Sanji used hardening, despite it being not visible on his black pants.

It doesn't help that the series is inconsistent in regard of whether Haki affects clothing or not.

Also it's worth noting that the author said CoO is Sanji's speciality, so he probably doesn't use hardening as often as Luffy or Zoro.

Sanji merely used haki at that point, nothing specific points towards hardening. And as I said, it'd be extremely easy for oda to show hardened haki over black pants if he wanted to. The argument that haki's is camouflaged when sanji uses it is nonsense.

Sanji does lean towards CoO though its hard to imagine that your inclination towards a type would have THAT big an effect on what type of haki you use at a given time. It should have an effect but if you need to block something then CoO won't do crap for you other than letting you know with some anticipation you are about to lose a limb. Sanji has presumably strong CoO but he hasn't been capable of katakuri-like feats of anticipation or dodging. Luffy does not lean towards armor or observation haki but has displayed more advanced versions of either than zoro or sanji...

 

[Fox666]

According to Judge, Sanji used Haki to block his spear. Doesn't that means it's hardening?

 

[kkck]

According to Judge, Sanji used Haki to block his spear. Doesn't that means it's hardening?

No... By all appearances that's just regular old invisible haki. No visual indication whatsoever of hardening.

 

[Rein Avara]

Sanji can use hardening, it was shown in the anime at least when they escaped WCI and daifuku intercepted them.

 

[Fox666]

No... By all appearances that's just regular old invisible haki. No visual indication whatsoever of hardening.

Isn't Hardening specifically what is used to protect your own body?

 

[kkck]

Isn't Hardening specifically what is used to protect your own body?

Both versions of haki provide protection. Hardening is simply better.

 

[M3J]

Sanji merely used haki at that point, nothing specific points towards hardening. And as I said, it'd be extremely easy for oda to show hardened haki over black pants if he wanted to. The argument that haki's is camouflaged when sanji uses it is nonsense.

That's not a good argument since Oda can just choose to be ambiguous on that if he wants to or even forget about that.

 

[kkck]

That's not a good argument since Oda can just choose to be ambiguous on that if he wants to or even forget about that.

Even if that were the case... ambiguity shouldn't play to sanji's favor. As in, if we don't see oda specifically drawing hardened haki... why assume sanji has it? The way I see it, either we see a specific visual representation of sanji using this type of haki (same as with everyone else) or he isn't using it.