Match Higa versus Hyotei

[floman]

Who would win in a match between Higa and Hyotei. I'm not sure what the match card would be, but I would think:

Singles 3: Kabaji versus Hirakoba

Doubles 2: Mukahi and Oshitari versus Aragaki and Tomoya

Singles 2: Jirou versus Kai

Doubles 1: Shishido and Ootori versus Tanashi and Chinen

Singles 1: Atobe versus Kite


I'm not sure if this is the line up. Hiyoshi might take someone's spot.

So if you think this shouldn't be the line up then comment about that or who do you think would win?

 

[Brandnewkid]

Hyotei, no doubt. Hyotei has two "geniuses" (Oshitari Y. and Jiro), a powerhouse (Kabaji), an ace (Atobe) ... If anything they'd just lose the doubles match with Shishido and Chotaro and even then it's a maybe.

 

[floman]

Hyotei, no doubt. Hyotei has two "geniuses" (Oshitari Y. and Jiro), a powerhouse (Kabaji), an ace (Atobe) ... If anything they'd just lose the doubles match with Shishido and Chotaro and even then it's a maybe.

I don't think it's that easy. Hirakoba's habu was able to easily seal Kawamura's power. I think it would take for Kabaji to grasp it, and when Kabaji learns to copy it, it's anyone's game. Until then I think Hirakoba would easily seal Kabaji's power. In addition I don't know whether Kabaji could copy the Shukuchihō method.

Kai might be able to seal Jirou with the viking horn. On Fuji's serve he was able to stop Jirou from coming to the net by only hitting to the corners. The viking horn can do just that. Also the Shukuchihō method might even be able to seal the magic volley entirely.

In terms of Atobe versus Kite. This is all about how good Atobe's Kingdom really is. His insight will probably let him see through the Shukuchihō method. Then there is also the Big Bang, the giant habu the viking horn. These moves are really tough, if Tezuka didn't have Hyaruken even he would have been in trouble. I think it would be a tight match.

In terms of doubles I would give it to Hyotei, only because we saw Higa doubles two play for one minute (getting destroyed by Kaido), and doubles one Big Bang= Scud Serve, and Shishido>Chinen. Plus Shishido Ootori are equivalent to the golden pair without synchro.

 

[-Ken-]

I don't think Kabaji copying other side is too effective here. Put Hiyoshi and I think Hyoutei win in all match.

 

[Hardy]

Who would win in a match between Higa and Hyotei. I'm not sure what the match card would be, but I would think:

Singles 3: Kabaji versus Hirakoba

Doubles 2: Mukahi and Oshitari versus Aragaki and Tomoya

Singles 2: Jirou versus Kai

Doubles 1: Shishido and Ootori versus Tanashi and Chinen

Singles 1: Atobe versus Kite


I'm not sure if this is the line up. Hiyoshi might take someone's spot.

So if you think this shouldn't be the line up then comment about that or who do you think would win?

S3: Kabaji takes it.
D2: Dirty Pair stomps.
S2: close une, debated before I still believe that Jirou would have a chance, but let's give it ot Kai.
D2: Silver Pair stomps.
S1: I believe Atobe is better than Kite.

Actually, Hyotei is in another tier imo.

 

[Ninomiya]

S3: Kabaji takes it.
D2: Dirty Pair stomps.
S2: close une, debated before I still believe that Jirou would have a chance, but let's give it ot Kai.
D2: Silver Pair stomps.
S1: I believe Atobe is better than Kite.

Actually, Hyotei is in another tier imo.

Pretty much.
Although Silver Pair might not stomp.
You're forgetting that TWO Shukichiho users in Doubles is pretty deadly.
Lobs and drop shots suddenly have zero effect against it.

Kabaji might not be able to copy Shukichiho either. Its a movement that only 5 of the Higa guys know, so its a big thing they had to learn through their martial arts.
Looking at Kai's useless stats, it hurt me to see that Chinen has better stats than him.
Jirou can beat Kai.

Hyoutei is a tier above without question and I see absolutely no way of Higa beating Hyoutei.

 

[Kaoz]

I'd be surprised if Kabaji was unable to copy the normal Shukuchihou, Ryoma managed to copy it as well, so it's clearly possible without having undergone martial arts training.

 

[LetalHawk]

Is easy

S3: Kabaji wins.
D2: Oshitari/Mukahi
S2: I think Kai
D1: Silver Pair are just way better than those two
S1: Atobe wins easily

Kabaji can copy Hirakoba's Habu and it won't take him too long. He even copied Hyakuren and that move greatly surpasses Habu, if he copied Hyakuren after five games, then Habu won't take him too long and he will take the upper hand. Hirakoba still has his Ohabu but that decreases the shot course of Habu and he can't use it more than one time per match.

Mukahi and Oshitari stomp the other pair 6-0. Pretty much.

S2 can go either way but I think VH will outlast Jirou eventually and he won't be able to stand up to it. So 6-4 to Kai.

D1 is Silver Pair's win. Shishido alone is better than Tanishi and Chinen. Ootori's Neo scud is a guaranteed ace. Tanishi might cause some trouble with Big Bang but he serves every 4 games. Chinen is just weak.

And finally, S1 goes to ore sama Atobe. Stat wise, as we saw in the fanbook, there's a huge difference between them (Atobe has 23,5 overa stats, Kite only has 20), and that can make a difference because Atobe can score winners easily. Moreover, with his insight he will shit on VH, Big Bang and Habu, and easily see through ODS. AK will overwhelm Kite, if so, Kite might be able to take one game until Atobe crushes him. Atobe wins 6-1.

So yeah, Hyoutei is better overall than Higa.

 

[Ninomiya]

I'd be surprised if Kabaji was unable to copy the normal Shukuchihou, Ryoma managed to copy it as well, so it's clearly possible without having undergone martial arts training.

Again I completely forgot something.
Was that against Kintaro he did it?

 

[Kaoz]

Again I completely forgot something.
Was that against Kintaro he did it?

No, against Atobe.

 

[Ninomiya]

D1 is Silver Pair's win. Shishido alone is better than Tanishi and Chinen. Ootori's Neo scud is a guaranteed ace. Tanishi might cause some trouble with Big Bang but he serves every 4 games. Chinen is just weak.

Chinen is better than Tanishi who's now fat again, and since he managed to return Big Bang after like 15 tries, its possible he can hit back VH.
Chinen has better stats than Kai too.
If Chinen is weak then so is Tanishi and Kai.
Chinen is the better rallier out him and Tanishi as since Tanishi only gets points via Big Bang, Chinen 100% of the rallies.

 

[-Ken-]

Against that line-up, I think Higa can do

S3: Chinen
D2:Hirakoba/Kai
S2: Kite

For a chance to maybe win. They're not going to beat Hyoutei on a fair fighting term, though.

 

[floman]

Okay so then Hyotei has an overwhelming majority. So if they were to have hypothetically beaten Higa in the nationals (pretending Seigaku lost in the first round) Hyotei would face Shtenhouji.

Singles 3: Shiraishi versus Hiyoshi

Doubles 2: Mukahi and Yuushi versus Yuji and Hitouji

Singles 2: Chitose versus Kabaji/Jirou

Doubles 1: Silver Pair versus Kenya and Gin

Singles 1: Atobe versus Kin

Should this be the order and who do you think would win?

 

[Ninomiya]

Shitenhouji can't lose to Hyoutei either lol.

Shitenhouji have a big amount of High/Mid tier players whilst Hyoutei have on 1 High tier and the rest Mid tier (excluding Mukahi).
Shiraishi, Chitose, Tooyama then there's Kenya, Gin and Zaizen.

Whilst Hyoutei have Atobe, then Yuushi, Hiyoshi, Jirou, Kabaji, Shishido, Ootori.
The ratio of High to Mid tier players is unfair on Hyoutei. Shitenhouji are a level above Hyoutei.

 

[Philia]

Singles 3: Shiraishi versus Hiyoshi
Shiraishi 6-0

Doubles 2: Mukahi and Yuushi versus Yuji and Hitouji
Lets give it to Hyote I'm not sure though

Singles 2: Chitose versus Kabaji/Jirou
Chitose wins. 6-1 if Jirou, 7-5 if Kabaji

Doubles 1: Silver Pair versus Kenya and Gin
Silver Pair should take it. Since they beat Golden Pair even after synchro. But Gin's Power & Kenya's speed may be troublesome for them. Still silver pair wins. 7-6

Singles 1: Atobe versus Kin
TMNK Kin-Chan takes this. 6-4.

 

[-Ken-]

Okay so then Hyotei has an overwhelming majority. So if they were to have hypothetically beaten Higa in the nationals (pretending Seigaku lost in the first round) Hyotei would face Shtenhouji.

Singles 3: Shiraishi versus Hiyoshi

Doubles 2: Mukahi and Yuushi versus Yuji and Hitouji

Singles 2: Chitose versus Kabaji/Jirou

Doubles 1: Silver Pair versus Kenya and Gin

Singles 1: Atobe versus Kin

Should this be the order and who do you think would win?

Hyoutei vs Shitenhouji was already cover in great detail in this thread. It doesn't change much since then.

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/76713-Power-Level-Comparision-(Schools)

 

[floman]

Hyoutei vs Shitenhouji was already cover in great detail in this thread. It doesn't change much since then.

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/76713-Power-Level-Comparision-(Schools)

Even still I think this could be good to discuss. Do you think Atobe Kingdom can fight against TnK Kin. Also would Kin be able to use TnK against Atobe. Just like Ryoma hasn't used TnK since Yukimura Kin Chan's TnK specific to Oni?

 

[Phantron]

Higa might have a chance if they guessed the lineup correctly. In particular, if you're pretty sure Atobe will play S1, you can just throw that game away.

Shitenhoji can't lose to Hyotei. Only Atobe can possibly win one of the singles match against Kintaro/Shiriashi/Chitose, and Hyotei doesn't have a second strong doubles team no matter how they rearranged their roster. They will lose at least 2 of the singles and a doubles no matter what.

 

[floman]

Higa might have a chance if they guessed the lineup correctly. In particular, if you're pretty sure Atobe will play S1, you can just throw that game away.

Shitenhoji can't lose to Hyotei. Only Atobe can possibly win one of the singles match against Kintaro/Shiriashi/Chitose, and Hyotei doesn't have a second strong doubles team no matter how they rearranged their roster. They will lose at least 2 of the singles and a doubles no matter what.

That's saying that Kabaji cannot learn Saiki. If Kabaji does then it's back to anyone's game.. I think Hyotei can take second doubles with Yuushi and Gakuto. If they win one other match it becomes a face off between Atobe and Kin Chan.

 

[Ninomiya]

That's saying that Kabaji cannot learn Saiki. If Kabaji does then it's back to anyone's game.. I think Hyotei can take second doubles with Yuushi and Gakuto. If they win one other match it becomes a face off between Atobe and Kin Chan.

Kin has TnK. Atobe cannot win.
Also, a factor will arise in the match preventing Kabaji beating Chitose.
Chitose is a far more experienced player. He'll be able to think of something.
Like, Chitose could just go Standard Muga state and spam other people's moves.