I can agree with all of that. If Gildarts shows he's a lot stronger than everyone in FT, honestly I wouldn't be surprised. One of his roles as a character is to be powerful. No one else in FT has this in their character, except maybe Laxus.
Lets be fair to Eileen, she took an Enchanted, Fused, Black and Red sword strike to the head without flinching and is only bleeding a little. I doubt many people have that level of durability, Azir was spurting blood everywhere from Erza's cross slash to the chest, and she wasnt even enchanted there.I knew it all along...
Despite all the recent Irene "Belserion" hype, nobody can deny that, what they just read in the most recent chapter, pretty much determines the winner of this fight. Let me refresh your memory:
Honestly, if Irene sustained damage to the point where she admits that she feels pain, then she has absolutely zero chance of beating Gildartz, let alone easy diffing, mid diffing, and the likes.
Unless you are willing to tell me that Erza and Wendy's attack is stronger than Gildartz strongest punch (Empyrean, etc.)... which I completely disagree, even feat-wise.
Furthermore, the amount of blood on Irene's face just goes to show that she doesn't even have the durability on the level of Gildartz, in order to defeat him.
So, she actually loses to Gildartz in terms of both offenseanddefense.
I continue to stand by Gildartz winning this fight. The difficulty... it doesn't really matter at this point. The result speaks for itself.
Thats true, and imo when Gildarts does go all out he'll be Fairy tail's strongest, above DF Natsu, maybe on par with August, but i'll wait a bit before saying he can beat everyone.
Haha, i did indeed and i do agree for the most part. Just saying that Eileen shoudnt be underestimated just cause Wendy got the better of her while she was casual.I'm not saying Gildartz can beat everyone... but Irene? Definitely.
Erza is also >>>> Historia Serena... Historia Serena is a fodder illusion. Any decent-high tiered mage should be able to defeat a Historia. God Serena >>> Erza. That's different and more impressive than a simple Historia.
Maybe Erza dodging all of Irene's attacks means that Irene can't dodge. I'm not saying Erza sucks at attacking, cuz clearly after last chapter, she's pretty decent. But I think Irene is the one who lacks combat feats, after she failed to dodge Wendy and Erza for the second time around.
Wendy also countered her twice within a timespan of about 5 seconds.
Gildartz did survive a lenient-gutting from Acnologia. While I acknowledge this is not a solid feat, it just goes to show that Gildartz has survived a much larger injury and amount of pain than Irene.
I have no doubt that Gildartz has some tolerance to pain, especially since Natsu could never damage Gildartz prior to this arc. That shows volumes of his durability considering Natsu was able to damage people like Laxus and Jellal pre-timeskip.
Saying Irene > Gildartz is like saying Irene > Laxus... and after Irene was injured by Base Wendy and Erza, I highly doubt she would survive full-powered Red Lightning.
Dodging is up to her, I agree. But it just goes to show how low her durability is. If it had been Laxus or Gildartz instead of Erza and Wendy, she might not have been standing there still. That's my point basically.
It's not the amount of damage that Irene has taken. Yes, it wasn't much.
It is solely Irene's durability that is lacking. With nothing but a few short hits, Irene has admitted pain and showed signs of bleeding. I don't see how you can compete on the likes of Laxus or Gildartz if you can't take a few simple attacks from Erza and Base Wendy.
That's the key, Irene wouldn't be able to take a full powered attack from Gildartz because Gildartz is essentially at least equal to Laxus when it comes powerscaling.
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Didn't you vote Gildartz in this thread or is the polls lying?
I think you agree with me for the most part anyways.
Whoa, hold up there Nemi. One thing I will correct you on is that it was Dragon Force Wendy, not Base Wendy and there's a sizable difference there in power. As for the head wound, two things: 1. She didn't defend and 2. She got in the head with a sword. I think the sword is a bit worse to get hit in the head with than say a fist hence why she was bleeding because she got cut up, plus not defending would mean she'd take more damage too so there is that you should be considering here.I knew it all along...
Despite all the recent Irene "Belserion" hype, nobody can deny that, what they just read in the most recent chapter, pretty much determines the winner of this fight. Let me refresh your memory:
Honestly, if Irene sustained damage to the point where she admits that she feels pain, then she has absolutely zero chance of beating Gildartz, let alone easy diffing, mid diffing, and the likes.
Unless you are willing to tell me that Erza and Wendy's attack is stronger than Gildartz strongest punch (Empyrean, etc.)... which I completely disagree, even feat-wise.
Furthermore, the amount of blood on Irene's face just goes to show that she doesn't even have the durability on the level of Gildartz, in order to defeat him.
So, she actually loses to Gildartz in terms of both offenseanddefense.
I continue to stand by Gildartz winning this fight. The difficulty... it doesn't really matter at this point. The result speaks for itself.
I think a sword slash like the one that Erza gave Irene should have sliced her head in two, especially with the force that it seemed Erza exerted. Irene must have a really thick skull.
Nemi now you know even August got injured by Brandish's Dagger and that too was not enchanted or magic weapon.So this is not new.I knew it all along...
Despite all the recent Irene "Belserion" hype, nobody can deny that, what they just read in the most recent chapter, pretty much determines the winner of this fight. Let me refresh your memory:
Honestly, if Irene sustained damage to the point where she admits that she feels pain, then she has absolutely zero chance of beating Gildartz, let alone easy diffing, mid diffing, and the likes.
Unless you are willing to tell me that Erza and Wendy's attack is stronger than Gildartz strongest punch (Empyrean, etc.)... which I completely disagree, even feat-wise.
Furthermore, the amount of blood on Irene's face just goes to show that she doesn't even have the durability on the level of Gildartz, in order to defeat him.
So, she actually loses to Gildartz in terms of both offenseanddefense.
I continue to stand by Gildartz winning this fight. The difficulty... it doesn't really matter at this point. The result speaks for itself.
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I had half expected you will make this argument about Gildarts that he will be effected more because of his lecherousness.If it were DF Wendy, she would have looked like this:
For Wendy, her signature appearance in DF mode is marked by the "wings/feathers" on her wrists, shoulders, and ankles as well as the ruffled messy hair.
When she attacked Irene, she looked like this:
When she attacked Irene, she showed none of those characteristics. The only similarity between the two scenes would be the color of Wendy's hair.
I do agree that Wendy has lighter colored hair when she attacked Irene, but I believe that's the case only because she casted some sort of enhancement on herself.
That was my interpretation and impression the whole time anyways, but the only way to know for sure whether she was in DF or not... would be to wait for the anime to come out.
For now though, I'm going to assume Mashima has kept his illustrations consistent and call it Base Wendy.
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August's case doesn't count because he was taken by surprise since Brandish was being manipulated. And it's not like Irene was attacked by an ally..
She knew that Erza and Wendy were her enemies and she saw them come to attack her. She just lacked in basic combat ability and skills.
I don't think Larcade's pleasure magic is a benchmark for deciding who is weaker or stronger.
It was never confirmed, but I believe that the result of Larcade's pleasure magic is decided by how much sexual feelings/desire you have. Since Zeref and Irene's sexual acts took place a very long time ago, they were probably less affected.
For Zeref, it was likely with Mavis. For Irene, it was with Erza's father. That's like a few hundred years.
But Laxus and Gildartz are both still young, so their sexual acts took place a lot more recent.
Gildartz fools around with women every couple of weeks. That's why he was affected more.
And given Laxus' age, he had to have done some sexual thing within the last few years or so. So that would explain why he was probably more affected.
Gonna have to disagree with you on that point. Sure for regular humans it doesnt really make a difference, but imo for wizards in this manga having your guard up makes a big difference. Sorta like with Goku and laser beams.
Yeah, I'm sticking to my original position. I may even lower the difficulty here. Based off of last chapter, I'd say...
Oh i had forgotten about that.Gonna have to disagree with you on that point. Sure for regular humans it doesnt really make a difference, but imo for wizards in this manga having your guard up makes a big difference. Sorta like with Goku and laser beams.
The guy who low diffed Brain, taken out by a butter knife? I dont see it happening in a real battle.
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I agree with your first point.I concede.But any way this may be similar to Neinhart.Poor physicals but strong Magic power.As she is an enchanter this may "be" possible
As Stone Cold Steve Austin would say, ah ah. That is wrong. The hair colour change is the indication of Wendy's dragon force. Take a look here at the Avatar Arc where only her hair changes:If it were DF Wendy, she would have looked like this:
For Wendy, her signature appearance in DF mode is marked by the "wings/feathers" on her wrists, shoulders, and ankles as well as the ruffled messy hair.
When she attacked Irene, she looked like this:
When she attacked Irene, she showed none of those characteristics. The only similarity between the two scenes would be the color of Wendy's hair.
I do agree that Wendy has lighter colored hair when she attacked Irene, but I believe that's the case only because she casted some sort of enhancement on herself.
That was my interpretation and impression the whole time anyways, but the only way to know for sure whether she was in DF or not... would be to wait for the anime to come out.
For now though, I'm going to assume Mashima has kept his illustrations consistent and call it Base Wendy.
