Fantasy Irene vs Gildarts

[Axiomus]

I will try one last time to convince you otherwise, but... I do believe Daniel touched upon this point. Given the size of the crater, and the trajectory of Irene's jump it would seem as though Irene's jump did originate from within the center. Unless, of course, Irene chose to float around in odd patterns. Again, Irene doing this would be silly and unnecessary. If irene really didn't want to fall down, why bother back flipping at all? Why not just fly and stay afloat? It's much more intuitive to assume that Acnologia launched an attack at Irene, and Irene jumped out of the way before she was hit. I'm willing to wager this is the interpretation most people would have after reading this chapter, and with good reason. It's the simplest and most intuitive. You might have convinced me otherwise if you pointed out a feature in the art that I missed, but so far all I read is your say-so and refusal to accept our arguments.

Spoiler: Recap of the trajectory argument

I also suspected that if I checked out the higher quality scans of Crunchyroll, the art would clearly show more signs that the eruption was indeed happening in front of Irene as well as behind and all around her sides. I was correct. The CR scans show even more lines showing movement in the front on the rocks. These lines were blurred and darkened in the fanscans.

Spoiler: CR scans

Back to my original point, all my other points still stands.

Irene.

She can enchant the alvarez troops to be strong enough to overpower Erza
She can enchant a Spriggan 12 member to be so powerful they are immune to the magic of another Spriggan.
She can push back Acnologia with her attacks, and dodge one of Acnologia's eruptions.

Irene has the ability to enchant regular fodders to be a force to be reckoned with. She has the ability to enchant Spriggan 12 members to be immune to the magic of other Spriggan 12 members, and she can push back Acnologia. As far as I'm concerned, these feats heavily outclass Gildarts' ability to oneshot a Historia of a Spriggan. Even if Irene can't dodge Acnologia's eruption, she still outclasses Gildarts. Gildarts' best feat remains to be able to defeat one of Neinhart's Historia, which is a portion of Neinhart's power. Irene has the ability to enchant Neinhart so that he surpasses the limits of his own magic.

 

[Seven777]

It's worth noting that despite the fact that Gildarts was taken down in an instant, he was still able to determine that Acnologia was using more power against him than all of Fairy Tail on Tenrou. being instantly taken down like Gildarts and Serena doesnt mean Eileen is stronger, it just means Acno wanted them dead more, cause lets face it, at Acno's level of power the difference in strength between a spriggan and and August tier spriggan probably doesnt mean much, if he wants them dead they're dead.

Totally disagree with everything you said above.

We're not getting anywhere with this and there is no point for me to pollute this thread with anymore shit.

It's gone way too off-topic and I don't see any reason for me to drive it on any further.

Although, I think the original point still stands (You can have the last word if you so wish):

We both know that Acnologia missed on purpose, his eruption was not slow, and that Irene cannot and did not dodge Acnologia's eruption.

Acno missing doesnt mean he did it on purpose, he missed a bunch of attacks on Fairy Tail back on Tenrou, he probably went after Eileen with the same mindset, he just casually threw out a random attack and if it hit then cool, if it missed then whatever, not like anyone can do anything to him anyway, he was playing with her, like he was playing with Fairy Tail

 

[Nemispelled]

Acno missing doesnt mean he did it on purpose, he missed a bunch of attacks on Fairy Tail back on Tenrou, he probably went after Eileen with the same mindset, he just casually threw out a random attack and if it hit then cool, if it missed then whatever, not like anyone can do anything to him anyway, he was playing with her, like he was playing with Fairy Tail

Well, the point here is that if Acno intends to kill somebody, the person will likely be dead.

There is no way Irene has a feat capable of dodging Acnologia's eruptions.

 

[sharkai]

Well, the point here is that if Acno intends to kill somebody, the person will likely be dead.

There is no way Irene has a feat capable of dodging Acnologia's eruptions.

Why not. Irene is far above serena.
A casual nuke sent aconologia flying back. And he had barely any time to gaurd.
Irene is probably is the fastest mage alive bar only aconologia

As for the fight
Irene low diffs, like she low diffs serena

 

[Nemispelled]

Why not. Irene is far above serena.
A casual nuke sent aconologia flying back. And he had barely any time to gaurd.
Irene is probably is the fastest mage alive bar only aconologia

As for the fight
Irene low diffs, like she low diffs serena

Irene is not going to dodge Acnologia's eruptions.

You can either take that or leave that, because I don't care to argue on this subject any longer.

 

[sharkai]

Irene is not going to dodge Acnologia's eruptions.

You can either take that or leave that, because I don't care to argue on this subject any longer.

Aconologia eruption lol

You know i kinda need proof for that especially since i have already seen her dodge it
I still dont see your point, why cant irene be that fast? I mean she is already that strong to sent aconologia flying, so why not that fast?
Is there a particular reason you think she cant dodge it? I mean beside from the fact she is still kind of featless in battle, why cant she be that fast

Remember she has to be near or above august, the guy who knows all magic. To keep up with that she is probably faster and stronger than him.

 

[Coné]

Irene wins mid diff. No reason to think Acnologia was making his attacks slower or that he was holding back considerably. Of course he wasn't bloodlusted, but neither was Irene. The only sustainable argument I see is being Human Acnologia, who still fodderized Serena as a matter of fact.

 

[Belserion]

A Gildarts vs Irene thread with 3 pages of Irene vs Acnologia. Cool. It's not in the realm of absurdity to admit Irene dodged Acno's blast. She obviously did. If the word "dodge" is a trigger then simply say she had enough common sense not to stand there and get herself blown to pieces so she quickly jumped out of the way. They were feeling each other out. That's all. It didn't warrant three pages of debate lol.

Anyway Irene beats Gildarts fairly easily imo. That enchantment magic should not be taken lightly.

 

[WoWfan]

I would have to give this to Irene until she shows more.

Irene takes this with mid diff.


oh and just to point something out

Spoiler

Irene enchanted a Spriggan to be soooooo powerful to the point where he was casually one shotted

You do realize that there is a difference between enhancing one's magic or one's Physical power right, because that is the difference between Ehanced Neinhart and Berserker Soldiers.

 

[Arjuna]

Well, two things:

1.) Acnologia gave Irene a chance to showcase her power. Acnologia was more surprised of Irene's magic rather than her actual skill level or power. She only amused him through what her magic does.

Plus, as far as we know, Acnologia never gave Gildartz a chance to attack. Gildartz said that Acnologia gutted him before he knew it.

Which leads me on to my next point...



2.) Gildartz fought Acnologia in his black dragon form, which is totally different from Irene who fought Acnologia in his human form.

Acnologia is probably a lot stronger as a dragon because a dragon's physique is superior to a human's physique.

Plus, as a dragon, Acnologia likely treats his opponents like vermin and doesn't interact with them the same way he does when he possesses his human qualities.

Acnologia might or might not have found Gildartz formidable, I don't know.... but it's probable that he didn't comment anything about it because he was in his black dragon form.

I don't think it's too far-fetched to explain it that way.

Sorry Nemi couldn't reply till now because i was busy all day.I don't think Acnologia in his Dragon form will have different personalities.While he was fighting Igneel he was perfectly sane till he started shouting ,"Destruction Destruction".In this manga he has shown praise to 4 persons till now.Igneel,Zeref and Irene.Probably END too because he was attracted towards END's revival and Igneel told Acnologia was afraid of END though it is debatable.

 

[Nemispelled]

Sorry Nemi couldn't reply till now because i was busy all day.I don't think Acnologia in his Dragon form will have different personalities.While he was fighting Igneel he was perfectly sane till he started shouting ,"Destruction Destruction".In this manga he has shown praise to 4 persons till now.Igneel,Zeref and Irene.Probably END too because he was attracted towards END's revival and Igneel told Acnologia was afraid of END though it is debatable.

Sure, Acnologia in his dragon form can still talk. But his personality is definitely different between the 2 forms.

For Irene, he purposely gave her a chance to talk (otherwise she would be like God Serena). He wanted to hear what she had to say. That's not the case with Gildartz though.

For Irene, I think he was more interested in her magic though. As for Gildartz, he was gutted instantly.

So it's difficult to tell what Acnologia thinks of Gildartz in comparison to Irene.


And to clear any confusion, I have never thought that it was absurd for people to pick Irene as the victor in this match (Irene vs. Gildartz).

Personally, I've always gone for Gildartz in this match up, but I don't really care if people vote for Irene.

But I do think that it is extremely absurd for people to say that Irene has a feat of dodging Acnologia's eruption.

Cuz clearly she didn't... she was given a chance by the black dragon himself. The feat is Acnologia's and not Irene's.

 

[Hermit]

Cuz clearly she didn't... she was given a chance by the black dragon himself. The feat is Acnologia's and not Irene's.

Wait, what?
How is dodging Acnologia's attack a feat by Acno himself? O_O

 

[Nemispelled]

Wait, what?
How is dodging Acnologia's attack a feat by Acno himself? O_O

Acnologia's attack was a feat for Acnologia himself.

Not the dodging. There was no dodging by anybody, Acnologia just purposely missed.

He was giving a chance to Irene.

You saw how fast his eruption was casted. Irene didn't even have time to react when the area behind Irene blew up from the explosion.

Plus, you also saw how large the explosion was. It was casted casually and with one hand. He was practically laughing when he made that crater.

That explosion would no doubt vaporize Irene's body if it was actually meant to hit her.

 

[Belserion]

Wait, what?
How is dodging Acnologia's attack a feat by Acno himself? O_O

It's not. Irene just has pretty good reflexes. That crater that was left behind was no joke. I like that acno was was gracious enough to acknowledge her. He's not exactly free with his compliments lol. But can you imagine if that fight got too serious. If she's relieved to dodge that then who knows what else acno could have done??

Poor Gildarts basically ignored in his own thread I measure her against Gildarts on more than both their feats vs anco. Basically from everything we've seen of both of them Irene wins and fairly easily. Plus him commenting on what would have been an epic battle vs god serena at full power and irene is > > god serena was a big factor too.

 

[Nemispelled]

I just want to make something clear.

Irene does not have a feat of dodging Acnologia's eruptions.

Zeref said he created the Spriggan 12 as well as the entire Alvarez Empire to even have a chance at fighting Acnologia.

This includes Zeref, August, Wahl, Bloodman, Dimaria, Brandish, and Jacob.

If Irene could dodge Acnologia's eruptions, Zeref wouldn't need the entire Alvarez Empire to take on Acnologia.

The mere fact that Zeref himself along with August are key opponents against Acnologia tells us Acnologia would turn Irene to dust in a second if he wanted to.


Saying Irene can dodge Acnologia's eruption is like saying:


Freed and Bickslow dodged Acnologia's physical attacks. (First panel)

It's also like saying Tenrou Laxus and Gray dodged Acnologia's physical attacks. (Bottom-left panel)

Spoiler

It's also like saying Tenrou Makarov tanked and survived a hit from Acnologia.

Spoiler

Look at these fodders dodge Acnologia in his dragon form. (Top panel)

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And keep in mind that this is Acnologia in his dragon form. The same form which he used to kill Igneel.


Having said all this and providing all the facts and panels to support my argument, how many of you guys actually believe in what you said?

It is no less than obvious that Acnologia has been toying with everybody.

There is not a human in this manga alive right now that can dodge anything from Acnologia.

It's plain and simple, Acnologia wasn't aiming to kill anybody.

When he does aim to kill somebody, then you would see something like what happened to God Serena.

You don't have to take back your opinion publicly, cuz I honestly don't care. But in your mind, you know that nobody can dodge anything from Acnologia. I don't know why some people even care to argue with me on that.

 

[Boomburst]

Ok I told myself I wouldn't respond to the utter bullshit that makes up your posts anymore but I just can't help myself.

I just want to make something clear.

Irene does not have a feat of dodging Acnologia's eruptions.

Zeref said he created the Spriggan 12 as well as the entire Alvarez Empire to even have a chance at fighting Acnologia.

This includes Zeref, August, Wahl, Bloodman, Dimaria, Brandish, and Jacob.

If Irene could dodge Acnologia's eruptions, Zeref wouldn't need the entire Alvarez Empire to take on Acnologia.

Perfect logic right here. Irene being able to dodge one of Acno's attacks somehow equates to Zeref not needing his whole empire plus Fairy Heart to kill Acno. Makes sense.

The mere fact that Zeref himself along with August are key opponents against Acnologia tells us Acnologia would turn Irene to dust in a second if he wanted to.

Wtf does this even mean lmao

Saying Irene can dodge Acnologia's eruption is like saying:


Freed and Bickslow dodged Acnologia's physical attacks. (First panel)

They were thrown back from the force of Acno hitting the ground.

It's also like saying Tenrou Laxus and Gray dodged Acnologia's physical attacks. (Bottom-left panel)

Spoiler

It's not like Acno was targeting the two of them specifically. He's literally just swinging around randomly just for the sake of destroying things.

It's also like saying Tenrou Makarov tanked and survived a hit from Acnologia.

Spoiler

What hit? All I see is the two of them wrestling, it's not like Acno swung at him with his claws or anything.

Look at these fodders dodge Acnologia in his dragon form. (Top panel)

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Again, he hit the ground and everyone in its vicinity was thrown out of the way due to the force of it.

And keep in mind that this is Acnologia in his dragon form. The same form which he used to kill Igneel.

The same form he used to kill a half dead Igneel while losing an arm in the process.

Having said all this and providing all the facts and panels to support my argument, how many of you guys actually believe in what you said?

Me?

It is no less than obvious that Acnologia has been toying with everybody.

Well of course he's been toying with everyone but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to dodge at least one attack from him.

There is not a human in this manga alive right now that can dodge anything from Acnologia.

Well if you say so then I guess it must be true.

It's plain and simple, Acnologia wasn't aiming to kill anybody.

When he does aim to kill somebody, then you would see something like what happened to God Serena.

And I actually agree with you. If Acno wanted to blitz Irene he probably could have. But are you suggesting that Irene would have died from Acno's eruption?

You don't have to take back your opinion publicly, cuz I honestly don't care. But in your mind, you know that nobody can dodge anything from Acnologia. I don't know why some people even care to argue with me on that.

"I'm right because I said so and you know I'm right and you're just arguing for no reason even though you know I'm right and you're just wrong and IM RIGHT I SWEAR"

 

[Nemispelled]

Wtf does this even mean lmao

If you can't understand English, that's really not my problem.

They were thrown back from the force of Acno hitting the ground.

No, they "dodged" it. Bickslow was still running away and Freed barely jumped out of the way. <-- Your logic

It's not like Acno was targeting the two of them specifically. He's literally just swinging around randomly just for the sake of destroying things.

He was targeting the two specifically. That's why they ran away from that attack, otherwise, why would Laxus and Gray even bother moving?

And since Laxus and Gray moved out of the way, then by your logic, they dodged Acnologia's attack.

Don't have double standards.

What hit? All I see is the two of them wrestling, it's not like Acno swung at him with his claws or anything.

Do you see the fuckin blood or what? Makarov obviously got hit.

Here, let me show you the panel where Acnologia pierced Makarov's body (Bottom left panel):

Therefore, Makarov got hit and survived an attack from Acnologia <-- Your logic

There, what excuse do you have now, buddy?

Stop arguing and admit it that your logic is biased by a double standard.

And I actually agree with you. If Acno wanted to blitz Irene he probably could have. But are you suggesting that Irene would have died from Acno's eruption?

Irene would have been more than dead from Acnologia's eruption. Any contact with Acno's blast and her body would be dust.

All of these examples that I provided above are the same as Irene's situation.

Acnologia did not aim his attack directly at anybody. But people still moved out of the way of his physical attacks and survived. And by your logic, that means that they "dodged" Acnologia's attack.

Don't embarrass yourself any further.

 

[Boomburst]

If you can't understand English, that's really not my problem.




No, they "dodged" it. Bickslow was still running away and Freed barely jumped out of the way. <-- Your logic





He was targeting the two specifically. That's why they ran away from that attack, otherwise, why would Laxus and Gray even bother moving?

And since Laxus and Gray moved out of the way, then by your logic, they dodged Acnologia's attack.

Don't have double standards.


^ (All of this is your logic)





Do you see the fuckin blood or what? Makarov obviously got hit.

Here, let me show you the panel where Acnologia pierced Makarov's body (Bottom left panel):

Therefore, Makarov got hit and survived an attack from Acnologia <-- Your logic

There, what excuse do you have now, buddy?

Stop arguing and admit it that your logic is biased by a double standard.




Irene would have been more than dead from Acnologia's eruption. Any contact with Acno's blast and her body would be dust.

All of these examples that I provided above are the same as Irene's situation.

Acnologia did not aim his attack directly at anybody. But people still moved out of the way of his physical attacks and survived. And by your logic, that means that they "dodged" Acnologia's attack.

Don't embarrass yourself any further.

Honestly this is all meaningless considering the fact that your whole argument here hinges on the assumption that Acno wasn't aiming at Irene. And since you've already pussied out of the debate concerning that topic I really don't know why you even bothered to bring all of this up.

 

[Static]

Can Irene dodge a completely non-chalant Acnologia 's blast? Definitely.

If he's actually aiming to fight / kill her, she'll be dust in less than two minutes.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 16, 2016 ---

Tbh, I sorta agree with both Daniel and Nemi (if that makes any sense lol)

 

[Arjuna]

Can Irene dodge a completely non-chalant Acnologia 's blast? Definitely.

If he's actually aiming to fight / kill her, she'll be dust in less than two minutes.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 16, 2016 ---

Tbh, I sorta agree with both Daniel and Nemi (if that makes any sense lol)

Well Acnologia was casual against Irene.If he was serious she would have been dead.But even dodging an attack from non serious Acnologia and praised by the Dragon King is a huge feat.