Fantasy Irene vs Gildarts

[Belserion]

Can Irene dodge a completely non-chalant Acnologia 's blast? Definitely.

If he's actually aiming to fight / kill her, she'll be dust in less than two minutes.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 16, 2016 ---

Tbh, I sorta agree with both Daniel and Nemi (if that makes any sense lol)

The thing is, this whole "argument" is ridiculous really. Some of us believe Irene dodged and some believe she didn't. All these long "facts" filled posts doesn't automatically mean it's the right opinion. At the end of the day we all think what we think and unless you're hiro mashima then you're not 100% right no matter how much you basically state "I'm right and you're wrong". It's all up for interpretation. No one is going to budge on their opinion so people might as well move on.

Can Irene beat anologia? Hell no. Even she knew that. That was never the debate in the first place. Saying she dodged isn't an insult to acnologia. These long triggered posts are getting out of hand and are unnecessary imo. You'd think they all out brawled by some of these reactions.

 

[Hermit]

All of these examples that I provided above are the same as Irene's situation.

Acnologia did not aim his attack directly at anybody. But people still moved out of the way of his physical attacks and survived. And by your logic, that means that they "dodged" Acnologia's attack.

But in this case, it was a one on one against Irene, it wasn't exactly a multi directional attack you know.
Acnologia aimed his attack at Irene and her alone, and she dodged it quite handily.
That's basically the case here.
It's debatable whether he was serious or not (I think he was slowly warming up to the fight personally), but the point is, Irene reacted to an attack that most mages couldn't react to, so that's a pretty notable feat

 

[Nemispelled]

But in this case, it was a one on one against Irene, it wasn't exactly a multi directional attack you know.
Acnologia aimed his attack at Irene and her alone, and she dodged it quite handily.
That's basically the case here.
It's debatable whether he was serious or not (I think he was slowly warming up to the fight personally), but the point is, Irene reacted to an attack that most mages couldn't react to, so that's a pretty notable feat

Personally, I don't see how a 1 on 1 makes a difference. Acnologia wasn't aiming to kill anybody.

Sure, Acnologia attacked in their direction or area, but that doesn't mean he was attacking them.

In both cases, Acnologia allowed them enough time to get out of the way, to show his true power, but he didn't have any intention on killing them.

If he wanted to kill them, all he had to do was treat them like God Serena.

Acnologia was never serious with anybody. Not Makarov, not Tenrou Laxus, not Tenrou Gray, and not Irene.

Acnologia is on the levels of dragons, there is no way somebody from Alvarez or FT (at the moment) can dodge a single attack from Acnologia (whether that be magical or physical).

August is on Irene's level... and when Acnologia oneshotted God Serena within a fraction of a second, August was wide-eyed and sweating.

That tells us that Acnologia clearly still outclasses everybody in terms of strength, durability, and speed. Nobody is dodging anything.




You brought up a point where you said "Irene reacted to an attack that most mages couldn't react to".

I never had anything against that statement. For all I care, that statement could potentially be true. You or anybody else here can hype that and Irene all you want. I'm not against that.

But to say that "Irene dodged Acnologia's eruption" is a completely different statement...

I stick to my opinion and I honestly don't know why people recently don't see it that way.

There has always been a general consensus in the community that anybody would be killed if Acnologia meant to aim his attack at them.

By the current feats, there is not a single human being alive in FT capable of dodging anything from Acnologia.

Acnologia is several tiers above Zeref, August, and Ishgar for a reason.

 

[Boomburst]

Personally, I don't see how a 1 on 1 makes a difference. Acnologia wasn't aiming to kill anybody.

Sure, Acnologia attacked in their direction or area, but that doesn't mean he was attacking them.

In both cases, Acnologia allowed them enough time to get out of the way, to show his true power, but he didn't have any intention on killing them.

If he wanted to kill them, all he had to do was treat them like God Serena.

Acnologia was never serious with anybody. Not Makarov, not Tenrou Laxus, not Tenrou Gray, and not Irene.

It was never about Acnologia being serious or not. I AGREE that Acnologia was playing around with Irene. But that doesn't mean he purposely misses his attacks.

Acnologia is on the levels of dragons, there is no way somebody from Alvarez or FT (at the moment) can dodge a single attack from Acnologia (whether that be magical or physical).

Why not? Irene is one of if not THE most powerful wizard in the world? Is it really that ridiculous to suggest she could dodge at least ONE attack before getting obliterated? It's not like any of us are saying that Irene would actually beat Acno.

August is on Irene's level... and when Acnologia oneshotted God Serena within a fraction of a second, August was wide-eyed and sweating.

That tells us that Acnologia clearly still outclasses everybody in terms of strength, durability, and speed. Nobody is dodging anything.

But Acnologia's movement speed is irrelevant considering the attack that Irene dodged wasn't a physical one.

I stick to my opinion and I honestly don't know why people recently don't see it that way.

Because there is plenty of evidence to the contrary and you always try and leave debates instead of addressing counterarguments?

There has always been a general consensus in the community that anybody would be killed if Acnologia meant to aim his attack at them.

Apparently not considering the amount of people who disagree with you.

By the current feats, there is not a single human being alive in FT capable of dodging anything from Acnologia.

Except for Irene.

Acnologia is several tiers above Zeref, August, and Ishgar for a reason.

Dragon Acnologia is, sure. But there's nothing to suggest that Human Acnologia is as well.

 

[Nemispelled]

It was never about Acnologia being serious or not. I AGREE that Acnologia was playing around with Irene. But that doesn't mean he purposely misses his attacks.

If he was playing around with Irene, that means he purposely missed his attack in order to avoid killing her.

That is the definition of not being serious. Irene cannot dodge Acnologia's eruption, simple as that. Acnologia just didn't have any intention on hitting her.

Why not? Irene is one of if not THE most powerful wizard in the world? Is it really that ridiculous to suggest she could dodge at least ONE attack before getting obliterated? It's not like any of us are saying that Irene would actually beat Acno.

Irene is far from dodging even one attack from Acnologia. August is on par, if not stronger, than her and he could barely even react to God Serena getting oneshotted by Acnologia.

But Acnologia's movement speed is irrelevant considering the attack that Irene dodged wasn't a physical one.

You act like Acnologia's magical attacks are slow. If Acnologia centered his explosion where Irene stood, she would have been dead by now. The mere fact that he placed the explosion behind Irene shows us that his casting time is extremely fast.

Fast enough that nobody right now should be able to dodge.

Apparently not considering the amount of people who disagree with you.

Yeah, most of them changed their opinion because people are tired of the Gildartz wank.

But that's what you guys get for subjecting yourselves to trolls on the power ranking thread and even bothering to argue over every little statement.

Irene was never comparable to Acnologia. She was always oneshottable by Acnologia.

People are only arguing that she can "dodge" Acnologia's attack because they want her to be leagues above Gildartz.

Too bad I'm not biased, so I didn't go along with all that.

Dragon Acnologia is, sure. But there's nothing to suggest that Human Acnologia is as well.

Acnologia, dragon or human form, is several leagues/tiers above the strongest Alvarez or Ishgarian wizard. An immortal has called on an entire Empire just to compete with the likes of Acnologia.

Nobody comes even close to Acnologia's tier at the moment, except for some of the dragons... who have all died off.

 

[Boomburst]

If he was playing around with Irene, that means he purposely missed his attack in order to avoid killing her.

That is the definition of not being serious. Irene cannot dodge Acnologia's eruption, simple as that. Acnologia just didn't have any intention on hitting her.

Is this supposed to be an argument? This is literally just you repeating your position.

Irene is far from dodging even one attack from Acnologia. August is on par, if not stronger, than her and he could barely even react to God Serena getting oneshotted by Acnologia.

You act like Acnologia's magical attacks are slow. If Acnologia centered his explosion where Irene stood, she would have been dead by now. The mere fact that he placed the explosion behind Irene shows us that his casting time is extremely fast.

Fast enough that nobody right now should be able to dodge.

Even if we agreed that the explosion happened behind Irene (which we don't), it's not like the explosion already occurred during that panel. All the stuff that you claim to be behind Irene isn't the actual explosion, it's simply the light coming from the spell. The explosion doesn't happen until the next panel.

Yeah, most of them changed their opinion because people are tired of the Gildartz wank.

But that's what you guys get for subjecting yourselves to trolls on the power ranking thread and even bothering to argue over every little statement.

If u say so.

Irene was never comparable to Acnologia. She was always oneshottable by Acnologia.

Not being comparable =/= oneshottable by a featless attack.

People are only arguing that she can "dodge" Acnologia's attack because they want her to be leagues above Gildartz.

Too bad I'm not biased, so I didn't go along with all that.

wahhh I'm right because I said so and you know it and you're just biased even though I haven't debunked a single counter argument given to me wahhhhhh

Acnologia, dragon or human form, is several leagues/tiers above the strongest Alvarez or Ishgarian wizard. An immortal has called on an entire Empire just to compete with the likes of Acnologia.

Nobody comes even close to Acnologia's tier at the moment, except for some of the dragons... who have all died off.

What's your basis for this? Where's your evidence that Human Acnologia is as powerful as Dragon Acnologia?

 

[Nemispelled]

Is this supposed to be an argument? This is literally just you repeating your position.

At least I'm not giving inaccurate statements and reasoning. Repeating myself here is necessary because I'm explaining the reason in a logical way which makes sense.

Even if we agreed that the explosion happened behind Irene (which we don't), it's not like the explosion already occurred during that panel. All the stuff that you claim to be behind Irene isn't the actual explosion, it's simply the light coming from the spell. The explosion doesn't happen until the next panel.

It wasn't light if the ground was being vaporized and the surface of the ground was cracking and splitting apart with rocks flying in the air... smh..

Not being comparable =/= oneshottable by a featless attack.

It wasn't a featless attack. It dealt a great amount of destruction and damage and possessed large AoE.

Don't give inaccurate evidence.

wahhh I'm right because I said so and you know it and you're just biased even though I haven't debunked a single counter argument given to me wahhhhhh

What is all of this?!

What's your basis for this? Where's your evidence that Human Acnologia is as powerful as Dragon Acnologia?

Acnologia is strong no matter what form he takes. He slayed dragons in his human form because he was initially a dragon slayer..

Dude, use some common sense in your arguments, please...

 

[Boomburst]

At least I'm not giving inaccurate statements and reasoning. Repeating myself here is necessary because I'm explaining the reason in a logical way which makes sense.

No you weren't explaining the reason for your point of view, all you did was repeat the point of view itself. All you did was say Irene cannot dodge Acnologia's explosion and that Acnologia didn't intend to hit her, but that's precisely the topic we've been arguing about.

It wasn't light if the ground was being vaporized and the surface of the ground was cracking and splitting apart with rocks flying in the air... smh..

Light, energy, call it whatever you'd like, but the point is that it isn't the actual explosion. The surface was barely cracking and splitting at all and it certainly didn't look identical to the explosion showed in the next panel.

It wasn't a featless attack. It dealt a great amount of destruction and damage and possessed large AoE.

Don't give inaccurate evidence.

What great destruction? What great damage? What large AOE? The only feat this attack has is creating a crater no bigger than a house. August's pillar of fire was much more impressive.

What is all of this?!

This is you every time you go, "oh everyone else is just biased and I don't understand why people don't agree with me and it's just SO obvious that I'm right and I guess people just don't want to accept the truth and they know deep down that they're wrong". You'll never win a debate with this attitude.

Acnologia is strong no matter what form he takes. He slayed dragons in his human form because he was initially a dragon slayer..

Dude, use some common sense in your arguments, please...

If you knew anything about common sense you would know better than to make such a retarded statement.

Did I deny that Acnologia was strong no matter what form he takes? No. What I'm asking for is proof that the two forms are equal. Basic fucking reading comprehension buddy.

He slayed dragons because he was a dragon slayer, exactly. Therefore he had a huge advantage over any dragon he faced. Common sense.

 

[Selene]

Can't see irene losing to gildarts based on what we seen thus far

irene's limits are unknown while people are more familiar with how strong gildarts is.

So can't really pick a winner yet.

 

[Seven777]

Everyone is making way to big a deal about Eileen's performance against Acno, i wouldnt even consider it a feat given how casual he was.
Hell, even Makarov's performance against Acnologia was more impressive than Eileens.

 

[Nemispelled]

No you weren't explaining the reason for your point of view, all you did was repeat the point of view itself. All you did was say Irene cannot dodge Acnologia's explosion and that Acnologia didn't intend to hit her, but that's precisely the topic we've been arguing about.

I gave factual information... I was explaining my reasoning behind my opinion the whole time.

You kept making immature posts, so I don't even know how you can compare my statements when you can't even explain yours.

Light, energy, call it whatever you'd like, but the point is that it isn't the actual explosion. The surface was barely cracking and splitting at all and it certainly didn't look identical to the explosion showed in the next panel.

It was the actual explosion... If it could crack and split rocks, that means it is an explosion. Light doesn't crack stuff otherwise the light from your computer screen would be cracking your face right now.

The explosion had the same color and sketch, it was just zoomed in. Quit making excuses.

What great destruction? What great damage? What large AOE? The only feat this attack has is creating a crater no bigger than a house. August's pillar of fire was much more impressive.

Oh really huh? So why didn't Irene just stand there then? The crater was a lot larger than a house. Don't start making inaccurate comparisons just because you are losing.

If Irene didn't even have the guts to tank that, what makes you think I believe your excuse?

Lucy's house =/= Acnologia's crater

You must be really desperate, huh....

This is you every time you go, "oh everyone else is just biased and I don't understand why people don't agree with me and it's just SO obvious that I'm right and I guess people just don't want to accept the truth and they know deep down that they're wrong". You'll never win a debate with this attitude.

I already won this debate with you regardless of what attitude I decide to have.

The difference between you and me is that I don't bandwagon on every single theory put out there.

I analyze the statement for myself and form my own opinions. You seem to blindly follow any argument and then trash talk people who disagree with your "favorite" members.

If you knew anything about common sense you would know better than to make such a retarded statement.

Start having mature discussions and debates instead of blatantly throwing tantrums.

Did I deny that Acnologia was strong no matter what form he takes? No. What I'm asking for is proof that the two forms are equal. Basic fucking reading comprehension buddy.

I never said anything about his two forms being equal. I said that Human Acnologia is strong enough that it doesn't matter how far apart his two forms are. Human Acnologia would still fodderize more than 90% of the people in the entire FT series.

He slayed dragons because he was a dragon slayer, exactly. Therefore he had a huge advantage over any dragon he faced. Common sense.

Yeah, and Natsu couldn't even defeat 1 dragon even though he is a dragon slayer who was trained under the legendary Fire Dragon King, Igneel.

Shows the difference between the two and the actual skill it takes to become a real dragon slayer.

This ones gonna piss you off, so refrain from throwing another tantrum because I really don't care for it.

 

[Boomburst]

I gave factual information... I was explaining my reasoning behind my opinion the whole time.

You kept making immature posts, so I don't even know how you can compare my statements when you can't even explain yours.

I can't even explain mine? What do you think I've been doing this whole time?

It was the actual explosion... If it could crack and split rocks, that means it is an explosion. Light doesn't crack stuff otherwise the light from your computer screen would be cracking your face right now.

The explosion had the same color and sketch, it was just zoomed in. Quit making excuses.

How much do you think the explosion was zoomed in? Given the size of the crater it made the explosion wasn't large enough to the point where zoomed in it would look completely different. I'll admit the choice of the word "light" wasn't accurate on my part, I essentially meant the energy from the spell.

Oh really huh? So why didn't Irene just stand there then? The crater was a lot larger than a house. Don't start making inaccurate comparisons just because you are losing.

If Irene didn't even have the guts to tank that, what makes you think I believe your excuse?

Am I actually reading this right now? So you're saying that if Irene had the ability to dodge an attack without taking any damage she should just tank it just for the hell of it? The fuck?

Lucy's house =/= Acnologia's crater

You must be really desperate, huh....

If you actually read the manga you'd see the size of the crater in comparison to Irene and Acnologia standing right next to it and you'd see that it was no larger than a house.

I already won this debate with you regardless of what attitude I decide to have.

The difference between you and me is that I don't bandwagon on every single theory put out there.

I analyze the statement for myself and form my own opinions. You seem to blindly follow any argument and then trash talk people who disagree with your "favorite" members.

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess

Start having mature discussions and debates instead of blatantly throwing tantrums.

LMAO this coming from the guy who pussies out of debates the moment he's losing and struts around like an arrogant prick calling anyone who disagrees with him biased? Fucking hilarious.

I never said anything about his two forms being equal. I said that Human Acnologia is strong enough that it doesn't matter how far apart his two forms are. Human Acnologia would still fodderize more than 90% of the people in the entire FT series.

And your proof of this is...? And if he can fodderize 90% of the people in the FT series then who do you consider the 10% that he can't?

Yeah, and Natsu couldn't even defeat 1 dragon even though he is a dragon slayer who was trained under the legendary Fire Dragon King, Igneel.

Shows the difference between the two and the actual skill it takes to become a real dragon slayer.

Trained under the legendary Fire Dragon King when he was like, a toddler. Besides, GMG Natsu was fodder compared to Natsu now. Current Natsu could probably defeat a dragon or at least come really close.

This ones gonna piss you off, so refrain from throwing another tantrum because I really don't care for it.

I wouldn't be nearly as pissed if you didn't go around acting as if your OPINION is the most obvious thing in the world and anyone who disagrees with you is just in denial. I couldn't give two shits what you care for, if you don't want people to disrespect you then don't disrespect them. It's as simple as that.

 

[BananaBunny]

To be fair Acnologia toys with everything. Can you expect him to take anything seriously?
Crash Magic is way more suited for hand-to-hand combat than enchanting magic.
Gildarts beat historia God Serena too (although we don't know whether God Serena is powerful in Alvarez standards)
However...
I think that Eileen has something else up her sleeve

 

[Jko]

To be fair Acnologia toys with everything. Can you expect him to take anything seriously?
Crash Magic is way more suited for hand-to-hand combat than enchanting magic.
Gildarts beat historia God Serena too (although we don't know whether God Serena is powerful in Alvarez standards)
However...
I think that Eileen has something else up her sleeve

God Serena wasn't at max when he got beat by Gildarts.

Irene curbs still. I can't believe this went for five pages.

 

[Static]

God Serena wasn't at max when he got beat by Gildarts.

Irene curbs still. I can't believe this went for five pages.

Same.

People need to realize that the difference between a regular Spriggan and August/Irene is vast lol.

 

[Arjuna]

Well after the recent chapter it was revealed that Irene is a Dragon i have no doubt that Irene will defeat Gildarts.

 

[Seven777]

Does really make a difference though? She cant change forms at will

 

[Arjuna]

Does really make a difference though? She cant change forms at will

But still her MP will be huge.Atleast much larger than Gildarts.

 

[Seven777]

But still her MP will be huge.Atleast much larger than Gildarts.

Definitely, but we already knew that. What i meant was that Eileen's situation isnt really that different from before. Though i suppose she might be pulling out some DS magic, assuming she still has it.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Irene low - mid diff.

she is like Hades.

no one on Team Natsu can stand up to her when she is serious. only Laxus and Gildarts can give her a good fight.

mid diff for Irene.