Discussion Jellal Fernandes Thread

[Karna]

My boi needs better feats.
He had always been faster than Laxus though.

 

[grey matter]

My boi needs better feats.
He had always been faster than Laxus though.

For a moment I read better and I was gonna get some panels ready .........then I saw faster. Okay

 

[Karna]

Both are quality characters, only a fool would wank to denial levels.

I'm just disappointed. The way Jellal is utilized for ship purposes is exactly the cancer that is the shipping fandom like RWBY. People sadly on care about ships these days and our boi ain't no different.

This society is sick and needs a cure.

 

[grey matter]

Both are quality characters, only a fool would wank to denial levels.

I'm just disappointed. The way Jellal is utilized for ship purposes is exactly the cancer that is the shipping fandom like RWBY. People sadly on care about ships these days and our boi ain't no different.

This society is sick and needs a cure.

I would really debate Jellal being a 'quality' character. Villain Jellal? Sure. Not the current forms of depressed loser, or the clown.
If you meant both being comparable in power levels, I'll agree.

I don't actually mind Jerza but I agree that shipping in general is cancer and ruined the series.
That's apparently Jellal's only purpose in the series now.

 

[Loke]

Not convinced he's faster. Certainly not off the strength of him blitzing Jura who had no idea who he was facing. Regarding his character, haven't enjoyed him since TOH. He was a great villain.

 

[Kiki]

A fun comic about Jellal (credits to the artist)

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[atlantisreturns]

Suicide boy.

 

[Ratrace]

A fun comic about Jellal (credits to the artist)

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The real reason why he won't join Fairy Tail

 

[Ebony Maw]

A fun comic about Jellal (credits to the artist)

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Jellal's brief period with FT in the GMG could be a great omake, bonus points if Meredy and Ultear get to interact with the main cast too.

For one, Jellal's standing with Laxus would be really interesting. I mean, the only two times they have ever interacted was when Jellal 'lost' to Jura and when he attempted to detain Touka in Magnolia. Makes you wonder about if they would get along, since for as much as everyone compares them in power level debates, its rare that they get compared as actual people. Then again its kinda hard to compare how they both interact with other characters in the first place because of how introspective of a character Jellal is, and due to how different their relationships are to other characters.

IDK, at the very least it would give us a chance to see Jellal outside of his really serious GM of CS role. It would also let us see more Gray/Ultear and Meredy/Juvia, as well as how they get on with other characters (I'm really interested in how Meredy and Lucy would get along, same with Ultear/Natsu/Erza since Ultear is technically responsible for TOH Jellal)... CS deserved more!

And in general I'll take more Meredy any day.

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I would really debate Jellal being a 'quality' character. Villain Jellal? Sure. Not the current forms of depressed loser, or the clown.
If you meant both being comparable in power levels, I'll agree.

I don't actually mind Jerza but I agree that shipping in general is cancer and ruined the series.
That's apparently Jellal's only purpose in the series now.

Disagree with depressed Jellal not being a quality character. He might not be anywhere as... I hesitate to use the word 'cool', so instead I'll say flashy, as TOH Jellal but Jellal not being depressed would make him a far worse character IMO. For one him being depressed just makes sense, the guy was a child slave, was tortured brutally and then ended up running the whole slaving operation... and just in case that wasn't bad enough, the aim of the Tower was literally impossible because Zeref never needed to be revived.

Jellal not being depressed after all of that would have been crazy. And its easy to understand why he is even now, since while some people may have forgiven him, he still did all of those things. In a strange way him being a good person actively fucks him over since he won't let himself have a good life. Hopefully this will change over 100YQ, would be nice to see Ultear, Meredy or basically anyone from CS talk to him about it... though sadly it'll probably be Erza because shipping is a thing (I share your loathing of how JerZa is handled).

So yeah, while I think its fair if you don't like depressed Jellal, I think saying he's not a quality character is a tad harsh.

 

[grey matter]

Jellal's brief period with FT in the GMG could be a great omake, bonus points if Meredy and Ultear get to interact with the main cast too.

For one, Jellal's standing with Laxus would be really interesting. I mean, the only two times they have ever interacted was when Jellal 'lost' to Jura and when he attempted to detain Touka in Magnolia. Makes you wonder about if they would get along, since for as much as everyone compares them in power level debates, its rare that they get compared as actual people. Then again its kinda hard to compare how they both interact with other characters in the first place because of how introspective of a character Jellal is, and due to how different their relationships are to other characters.

IDK, at the very least it would give us a chance to see Jellal outside of his really serious GM of CS role. It would also let us see more Gray/Ultear and Meredy/Juvia, as well as how they get on with other characters (I'm really interested in how Meredy and Lucy would get along, same with Ultear/Natsu/Erza since Ultear is technically responsible for TOH Jellal)... CS deserved more!

And in general I'll take more Meredy any day.

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Disagree with depressed Jellal not being a quality character. He might not be anywhere as... I hesitate to use the word 'cool', so instead I'll say flashy, as TOH Jellal but Jellal not being depressed would make him a far worse character IMO. For one him being depressed just makes sense, the guy was a child slave, was tortured brutally and then ended up running the whole slaving operation... and just in case that wasn't bad enough, the aim of the Tower was literally impossible because Zeref never needed to be revived.

Jellal not being depressed after all of that would have been crazy. And its easy to understand why he is even now, since while some people may have forgiven him, he still did all of those things. In a strange way him being a good person actively fucks him over since he won't let himself have a good life. Hopefully this will change over 100YQ, would be nice to see Ultear, Meredy or basically anyone from CS talk to him about it... though sadly it'll probably be Erza because shipping is a thing (I share your loathing of how JerZa is handled).

So yeah, while I think its fair if you don't like depressed Jellal, I think saying he's not a quality character is a tad harsh.

Ultear is more culpable than Jellal, and in the inside she actually is more guilt ridden and burns more. Yet she acts happy and cheerful, so as to not get others around her depressed as well (best waifu!)
Imagine if Ultear was brooding as much as Jellal lol, Meredy would've had a fucked up growing up, Ultear may have been culpable in fucking up her's and Jellal's lives; but at the very least she tried to make up for it (in fact more than did by the end of the GMG), and tried to get them cheered up.

The point is that, Jellal's depression looks like it's infectious lol. I don't want to see the guy on my screen except when he's fighting. Not Ultear, Meledy or even Erza could get the guy out of it. As much as the clown version is annoying, at least the guy isn't depressing to look at.
Ultear on the other hand is cheerful despite her past, creates an amiable environment around her (and is definitely easy to look at ).......all the while trying as hard as Jellal to make up for her sins.
I'm probably just rambling and not explaining it well, but I hope you got the jist of it.

Edit: TOH Jellal and Seigrain = Greatness, not even Jellal haters can deny that.

 

[Kiki]

Jellal's brief period with FT in the GMG could be a great omake, bonus points if Meredy and Ultear get to interact with the main cast too.

For one, Jellal's standing with Laxus would be really interesting. I mean, the only two times they have ever interacted was when Jellal 'lost' to Jura and when he attempted to detain Touka in Magnolia. Makes you wonder about if they would get along, since for as much as everyone compares them in power level debates, its rare that they get compared as actual people. Then again its kinda hard to compare how they both interact with other characters in the first place because of how introspective of a character Jellal is, and due to how different their relationships are to other characters.

IDK, at the very least it would give us a chance to see Jellal outside of his really serious GM of CS role. It would also let us see more Gray/Ultear and Meredy/Juvia, as well as how they get on with other characters (I'm really interested in how Meredy and Lucy would get along, same with Ultear/Natsu/Erza since Ultear is technically responsible for TOH Jellal)... CS deserved more!

And in general I'll take more Meredy any day.

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Disagree with depressed Jellal not being a quality character. He might not be anywhere as... I hesitate to use the word 'cool', so instead I'll say flashy, as TOH Jellal but Jellal not being depressed would make him a far worse character IMO. For one him being depressed just makes sense, the guy was a child slave, was tortured brutally and then ended up running the whole slaving operation... and just in case that wasn't bad enough, the aim of the Tower was literally impossible because Zeref never needed to be revived.

Jellal not being depressed after all of that would have been crazy. And its easy to understand why he is even now, since while some people may have forgiven him, he still did all of those things. In a strange way him being a good person actively fucks him over since he won't let himself have a good life. Hopefully this will change over 100YQ, would be nice to see Ultear, Meredy or basically anyone from CS talk to him about it... though sadly it'll probably be Erza because shipping is a thing (I share your loathing of how JerZa is handled).

So yeah, while I think its fair if you don't like depressed Jellal, I think saying he's not a quality character is a tad harsh.

Oh and also that one when Laxus embraced Jellal before the GMG started.

As for emo thing, seems he is no longer as emo as he used to be? I think he isnt anymore after the kingdom forgave him

 

[Ebony Maw]

Ultear is more culpable than Jellal, and in the inside she actually is more guilt ridden and burns more. Yet she acts happy and cheerful, so as to not get others around her depressed as well (best waifu!)

Tbh I always got the 'its already happened, nothing can erase my past actions' vibe from Ultear. There's also the point that while Ultear is largely responsible for warping a young Jellal into TOH Jellal, Jellal still did everything he did. Like, he was warped but he still has the memories of what he did (which includes hurting Erza, keeping his other friends as slaves, trying to kill Erza repeatedly and almost causing Etherion to be fired). Considering how moral Jellal appears to be, its not exactly surprising that the dude is still messed up (though I hate that this is mostly used to tease JerZa rather than actually developing Jellal as a character).

Imagine if Ultear was brooding as much as Jellal lol, Meredy would've had a fucked up growing up, Ultear may have been culpable in fucking up her's and Jellal's lives; but at the very least she tried to make up for it (in fact more than did by the end of the GMG), and tried to get them cheered up.

The point is that, Jellal's depression looks like it's infectious lol. I don't want to see the guy on my screen except when he's fighting. Not Ultear, Meledy or even Erza could get the guy out of it. As much as the clown version is annoying, at least the guy isn't depressing to look at.

LMAO, you just made me think of how emo Meredy would be if Ultear was as depressed as Jellal. That said I would love emo Meredy! Thinking about it, Edo CS would probably be something like Edo Jellal, a super silly version of Ultear and a constantly depressed emo Meredy. MAKE IT MASHIMA!

That point is definitely true. Its a shame tbh since I don't think Jellal is always brooding (just look at his interactions with the OS before their fight), but he only really shows up when something awful connected to his past comes up or he's tracking down Dark Mages like Touka.

Ultear on the other hand is cheerful despite her past, creates an amiable environment around her (and is definitely easy to look at ).......all the while trying as hard as Jellal to make up for her sins

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Ultear and Jellal certainly have different ways of coping. Its due to their different personalities though, as while Ultear was still a good person she was still also pragmatic enough to consider killing Rogue during GMG. Like Mavis said, Jellal has the heart of an FT member so its highly unlikely he would consider it.

While I'm not suggesting Ultear doesn't feel guilty, its clear that Jellal has a worse guilt complex.

I'm probably just rambling and not explaining it well, but I hope you got the jist of it.

Nah, I get ya. I'm cool with any opinion on Jellal be it liking or hating him, I personally just think that he is a quality character. Then again I really like introspective, depressed characters who struggle with redemption, so that's probably why. What I will say is that Fairy Tail is a weird ass manga for a character like Jellal to be in since (while I think he is probably the most realistic character in terms of how he reacts to his dark past), he's in a manga where Gajeel and Laxus barely ever catch flack for their evil deeds (like when Gajeel was still with Phantom or when Laxus threatened to kill the whole god damn city because he thought FT wasn't strong enough...).

Edit: TOH Jellal and Seigrain = Greatness, not even Jellal haters can deny that.

I think that's where most of the hate comes from tbh, TOH Jellal is universally loved from what I've seen.

Add Mystogan to that list to, he might only be Edo Jellal but dude made S-Class with Holder Magic and was the only real elite that actually helped FT back in the early days.

Oh and also that one when Laxus embraced Jellal before the GMG started.

Wasn't that only because he was telling Jellal to shut up since Mystogan rarely talked?

As for emo thing, seems he is no longer as emo as he used to be? I think he isnt anymore after the kingdom forgave him

I thought this initially but given that he's apparently the only active member of CS probably not - speaking of which, I hope we get some word on the others like Meredy, Cobra and Midnight. Jellal is so lonely

 

[grey matter]

What do you guys think about relative powers between these spells in x792?

- Abyss Break
- Altaris
- Grand Chariot

Did Grand Chariot surpass the other two in attack power, because Jellal keeps using Grand Chariot, while not using others?

 

[One4All]

Grand Chariot was overused. Jellal should try to use other spells. Even Erza had used it in the movie! It came to the point were GC and Sema were the only ones I can still remember.lol.

 

[Ramen]

What do you guys think about relative powers between these spells in x792?

- Abyss Break
- Altaris
- Grand Chariot

Did Grand Chariot surpass the other two in attack power, because Jellal keeps using Grand Chariot, while not using others?

Lmao I'd take Pleidas over AB and Altaris

 

[grey matter]

Lmao I'd take Pleidas over AB and Altaris

Lol, ok....

 

[GL_Nova]

I think Jellal’s characterization makes perfect sense. Honestly what I would like most is to get one more great wizards fight from him. Ima keep saying it. A chance to really show off just how versatile and talented this man is with magic. An honestly if it’s not against Laxus at this point I demand it be feat filled and fantastic.

 

[grey matter]

I think Jellal’s characterization makes perfect sense. Honestly what I would like most is to get one more great wizards fight from him. Ima keep saying it. A chance to really show off just how versatile and talented this man is with magic. An honestly if it’s not against Laxus at this point I demand it be feat filled and fantastic.

What do you mean by characterization?

And yes, the guy is desperate need of A WIZARD fight (no physical fights please) where he shows his versatility (no more Grand chariot). The guy needs to snap and go berserk

 

[sharkai]

I think Jellal’s characterization makes perfect sense. Honestly what I would like most is to get one more great wizards fight from him. Ima keep saying it. A chance to really show off just how versatile and talented this man is with magic. An honestly if it’s not against Laxus at this point I demand it be feat filled and fantastic.

What do you mean by characterization?

And yes, the guy is desperate need of A WIZARD fight (no physical fights please) where he shows his versatility (no more Grand chariot). The guy needs to snap and go berserk

you people sure are optimistic
jellal aint a main a character, his chance, of getting a good fight in an arc like this is low. most likely a mostly of screen fight.

and

versatile and fairy tail should not be uttered in the same sentence.
if you people remember
abysal break can only be cast if you have expertise in elemental magic fire, earth, wind and water. you must have expertise in all of them. jellal should know all these elemental magic, he also has that dark magic thing from TOH. also mystogan thing.
did you see any different magic from him?

remember hades. he taught the 7 kins their magic. did you see hades use time arc or god flame?
would have saved his life but na.

this is fairy tail, where magic king like august has to use his stick to beat people

 

[grey matter]

you people sure are optimistic
jellal aint a main a character, his chance, of getting a good fight in an arc like this is low. most likely a mostly of screen fight.

and

versatile and fairy tail should not be uttered in the same sentence.
if you people remember
abysal break can only be cast if you have expertise in elemental magic fire, earth, wind and water. you must have expertise in all of them. jellal should know all these elemental magic, he also has that dark magic thing from TOH. also mystogan thing.
did you see any different magic from him?

remember hades. he taught the 7 kins their magic. did you see hades use time arc or god flame?
would have saved his life but na.

this is fairy tail, where magic king like august has to use his stick to beat people

I said I wouldn't hold my breath lol.
Hope and expectations are different.

Hope : WW makes the guy shed his lame persona and make him go berserk (TOH mode). Makes him use his great versatility, go elemental master mode (like Seighart) or dark magic to complement Heavenly body magic, and have a MAGE battle

Expectation: he will continue clowning or go back to guilt mode. Will have a short fight which he will end with yet another Grand chariot.

Also, Jellal did use his flames once, and they were pretty powerful; golden flames had property of burning through magic and it made Natsu go DF
But yeah, we need to see more of his abilities.

And you're on point regarding Hades. He knows the 7 kins magic, yet never used them.
Even Zeref, legendary black mage that invented several revolutionary spells, summoned demons from hell and bound them to dead bodies contracted by books, etc; fought in a physical battle