Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[Seven777]

you have to prove that she can fight though, instead of just saying she can, stubborn is one thing, if they can actually have the actual ability to fight to back up that stubbornness then fine, but Kyria, she does not, that is one of few things that separates her and a few more from everyone else

She literally gets up and attacks Laxus

 

[WoWfan]

She was not attacking him, she was going to eat him, she was down for multiple chapters anyway on the first place. Plus not the same situation with Erza who could not fight back.

 

[Seven777]

She was not attacking him, she was going to eat him, she was down for multiple chapters anyway on the first place. Plus not the same situation with Erza who could not fight back.

Again, I was talking about before roaring thunder. Laxus put her down, she got up and attacked him immediately after.

 

[WoWfan]

And again, not the same as with Erza, where she could not fight back

 

[Seven777]

And again, not the same as with Erza, where she could not fight back

No, you have to prove she couldn't fight back. We've seen her continue to fight after taking worse injuries as seen in her battle with Laxus, if you want to say she couldn't fight against Erza then prove it.

 

[Verter]

Guys, don't you find one thing curious?
You say in one topic "Jellal is zero, Laxus is hero", here you say about "compare Laxus and Kyria is wrong... because Laxus too strong... and Erza was buffed", "Kyria damaged Lucy!!!"

Nice, really nice. Let's open "dark secrets" ?

1. Kyria super [string] strong AoE ZERO affected not only Laxus.
Both Jellal and Erza took ZERO damahe as well. Relaxed Jellal didn't receive even single scratch (!) Ants deal higher damage on humans then Kyria did on Jellal with her roar.
How you explain this ?
The issues Lucy was defeated before that weak roar just confirmed once more again Lucy (hero of naked battles) is weak herself and not a warrior.

2. Compare Lucy damage by Kyria and in battle with Jacob ?!
Good game, folks. Fresh Natsu, who was motivated [to stop Zeref and co] after coma state... who literally wiped Jacob in that battle actually one who really fought against Jacob and not a Lucy.
Appearance of Lucy was just to make intro for Natsu. What's why she didnt damaged.
Mirajanne who has supreme phys defence compare with Lucy wounded vs Jacob... and Lucy was on light mode, yeah?
Let's continue daydreaming and fanboy and fangirl things further, neednt stop on midway. say clear Lucy >>> Miraganne by phys defence. If you won't say it -> stop be double standard and recognise Jacob didnt have real battle vs Lucy 1 vs 1.

 

[Axiomus]

you cannot see it? you even posted the image, you have to see it, that is because Kyria's cuts are her thing, but that does not mean that Lucy did not get cut before, you can even see the droplets from her wounds. It did not fail, when NAtsu interfered and even used his heat to melt the blade, which makes it all the more convincing that it would have cut off a limb or two. It is and it is your opinion, Madmole matched no magic Natsu, you cannot disprove it when it is clearly shown and stated, Magic to create a thought projection, not not actual magic to power up his attacks which is what his FDM is for, as far as anyone is concern, his physical attacks are his no magic attack. It does, Savage Flames are the flames of his guild, amping him up beyond his limit, it doesn't matter as they warped reality to defeat him. Standing is not the same as ready to continue fighting, she was incapacitated, same with Laxus, she was one shotted, it doesn't matter, the fight ended there and then between them, both times.

I don't see any cuts on Lucy in the image where Jacob made her clothes invisible. I see the typical scratches and bruising we see. But whatever. I've said multiple times that I don't even care if Jacob managed to cut Lucy. Even if he did cut Lucy, the wounds on her body are so are so insignificant that it's virtually no different. I've literally had worse scraped knees falling off my bike as a kid than the wounds on Lucy's body. Jacob's attack failed to do any significant damage to Lucy. Natsu stopped one knife attack. The fact that you guys are trying to pretend that this one knife throw would have killed Lucy is hilarious. If you have the strength to throw a knife of that size so hard that it would cut off someone's arms and then their neck....You would pulverize their bones if you threw a punch with the same amount of force. Jacob managed to hit Lucy like 20 times after that, and his entire total assault barely even did any damage to Lucy.

The argument that Wraith was suggesting that Natsu matched Madmole in strength without magic is completely and utterly wrong on every level. Natsu can't touch Wraith without magic. Natsu can't even see Wraith if he didn't have dragon slaying magic. Natsu had to use magic to create a thought projection to even touch Wraith. The entire thought projection is made out of magic. To then turn around and pretend that Natsu with no magic can match Madmole is just wrong on the most basic of levels. Mashima didn't retcon anything. You're just trying to pretend that Natsu hitting Wraith with pure magic is the same thing as Natsu hitting Wraith with zero magic, which is absurd. There are FEATS of Madmole tanking and matching Natsu's magical attack. These showings speak for themselves:

Spoiler: Madmole tanking Fire Dragon's Sword Horn

Spoiler: Madmole tanking Fire Dragon King's Demolition Fist

Spoiler: Madmole matching Fire Dragon's Iron Fist

Natsu's raging flames of emotions (the proper term for "savage flames") is just his emotions for his guild making his flames strong enough to burn time. The actual spell Natsu used, coming from his own mouth was Fire Dragon King's demolition fist, and he did this spell without the mode.

 

[WoWfan]

Seven, I did, the fact that Gray stated it and the fact that she didn't fight back and the fact that she was nervous when she was called out for it. your comparison to Laxus vs Kyria is not a factor as even without Belserion blade Erza was able to bring Laxus down who was buffed up from the red lightning, so that means that Berserion sword is not the strongest and still defeated Kyria, she had outside assistance in both occasions, there was no guarantee that Kyria would have been able to get up had Skullion not saved her.

Ax, That is surprising as you can clearly see the spots where he cut her and where blood drizzled out, it does not matter anyway as his knives are dangerous enough to sever limbs where as Kyria could not. TP does not boost his magic in anyway, just give him a form to interact with his ghost body, and the fact he can still use his regular magic yet didn't is no different than not using magic at all, you have to prove otherwise. Jacob tanked hits from Natsu while the former was holding back and even brought him down physically, that is more impressive than what Madmole has done. again, Madmole's battle with Natsu was retcon, Hiro does not care what you think, even Natsu after forgot about the DE, that is how beneath him they are. Savage Flames increases the heat of his flames beyond his tolerance level that they warp reality and affect time.

 

[Verter]

@Axiomus Do you say about same Natsu, who was nerfed in that sequel and failed even to boil water ?

Or you mean that Natsu ?

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[Axiomus]

Guys, don't you find one thing curious?
You say in one topic "Jellal is zero, Laxus is hero", here you say about "compare Laxus and Kyria is wrong... because Laxus too strong... and Erza was buffed", "Kyria damaged Lucy!!!"

Nice, really nice. Let's open "dark secrets" ?

1. Kyria super [string] strong AoE ZERO affected not only Laxus.
Both Jellal and Erza took ZERO damahe as well. Relaxed Jellal didn't receive even single scratch (!) Ants deal higher damage on humans then Kyria did on Jellal with her roar.
How you explain this ?
The issues Lucy was defeated before that weak roar just confirmed once more again Lucy (hero of naked battles) is weak herself and not a warrior.

2. Compare Lucy damage by Kyria and in battle with Jacob ?!
Good game, folks. Fresh Natsu, who was motivated [to stop Zeref and co] after coma state... who literally wiped Jacob in that battle actually one who really fought against Jacob and not a Lucy.
Appearance of Lucy was just to make intro for Natsu. What's why she didnt damaged.
Mirajanne who has supreme phys defence compare with Lucy wounded vs Jacob... and Lucy was on light mode, yeah?
Let's continue daydreaming and fanboy and fangirl things further, neednt stop on midway. say clear Lucy >>> Miraganne by phys defence. If you won't say it -> stop be double standard and recognise Jacob didnt have real battle vs Lucy 1 vs 1.

What? Who is saying "Jellal is zero, Laxus is hero"? Who is saying "Laxus and Kyria is wrong...because Laxus too strong...and Erza was buffed"? Look, the whole point about Laxus is simple: Kyria took hits from Laxus offscreen, enough to knock her down on the ground, and was still able to fight. Jacob was immediately oneshotted by a regular punch in Satan Soul, so Kyria's showings are more impressive. This is compounded by the fact that Kyria wasn't actually damaged to the point where she couldn't continue fighting after Erza hit her with her belserion sword. At the very least, Kyria was on her feet. Which is far more than anything that can be said for Jacob.

Kyria did do damage Lucy. She knocked her out. She did more damage to Lucy than Jacob did. This is a pure objective fact, so don't even try to pretend that mocking it will get you anywhere. Obviously Lucy wasn't the one to knock out Jacob, but she did tank a bunch of attacks from Jacob that Natsu didn't defend her from. The whole point is a comparison between Kyria and Jacob's attack power. The fact that it was Natsu's attack power that beat Jacob is irrelevant.

@Axiomus Do you say about same Natsu, who was nerfed in that sequel and failed even to boil water ?

Or you mean that Natsu ?

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Oh, get off it. Natsu wasn't nerfed in the slightest. The first page of the sequel flat out says that Fairy Tail was stronger than ever. Natsu was miles deep underwater and couldn't get flames going in the first place. You expect Natsu to vaporize the entire sea?

 

[WoWfan]

Yet Jacob holding back is equal to Natsu as he overpowers his attacks.

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he was nerfed, when he lost Igneel's power, and can't use Savage Flames and hsi Seven Flames are based on team work, that is a definite nerf right there. At his peak, he could Match Zeref with Savage Flames burned all the energy to create an entirely new reality.

 

[Axiomus]

Ax, That is surprising as you can clearly see the spots where he cut her and where blood drizzled out, it does not matter anyway as his knives are dangerous enough to sever limbs where as Kyria could not. TP does not boost his magic in anyway, just give him a form to interact with his ghost body, and the fact he can still use his regular magic yet didn't is no different than not using magic at all, you have to prove otherwise. Jacob tanked hits from Natsu while the former was holding back and even brought him down physically, that is more impressive than what Madmole has done. again, Madmole's battle with Natsu was retcon, Hiro does not care what you think, even Natsu after forgot about the DE, that is how beneath him they are. Savage Flames increases the heat of his flames beyond his tolerance level that they warp reality and affect time.

Nope. Again. Images are right here. I've circled all the parts where Lucy was hit. Her sholders and thigh has slight bruising. The side of her belly is even completely fine. Besides, like I said plenty of times by now, I simply don't care if Lucy was slightly cut by Jacob. Even if you are right and Jacob managed to slightly cut her, Lucy's overall condition was completely fine and that's what matters. She's a bloody mess when Kyria cut her, and she was knocked unconscious. Two completely levels of damage.

Spoiler: Lucy's wounds from Jacob compared to her wounds from Kyria

Lol Madmole has tanked way harder hits than Jacob ever did. Madmole shrugged off a demolition fist like it was nothing. Jacob was enraged when Lucy and Natsu combo kicked him. He went all out after that point. Also Madmole has yet to even use dragon force, so if anyone is holding back here....

Yet Jacob holding back is equal to Natsu as he overpowers his attacks.

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he was nerfed, when he lost Igneel's power, and can't use Savage Flames and hsi Seven Flames are based on team work, that is a definite nerf right there. At his peak, he could Match Zeref with Savage Flames burned all the energy to create an entirely new reality.

What attack did Jacob overpower? He blocked a kick, tanked a headbutt, and tanked the NaLu combo kick. What attack got overpowered?

Losing Igneel's power happened before Natsu faced Jacob. Natsu only used Igneel's power for the one fight with Zeref, so it's not like any of his other feats scale towards that anyways. Not having his Seven Flames mode isn't a nerf, as nobody is comparing current Natsu to 7 flame mode. Natsu always has his flames of emotions, and his "savage flames" is actually just his flames of emotions at their peak. Natsu simply hasn't reached that same emotional state in the 100YQ. Doesn't mean he has been nerfed.

 

[WoWfan]

Those cuts are small but that does not make them not shed blood, but that does not compare to Jacob who can take hits from Jacob, he blocked actual magic attacks from Natsu while Madmole is only a match for no magic Natsu which is a fact now that his previous showings are meaningless. That is hardly a factor when even DF DE are weaker than a weak spell from Irene personality, that means they are still weaker than Spriggans, who is confirmed weaker than the likes of Makarov who is weaker in turn to the Spriggans who are stronger than most Dragons. He used Igneel's power against War God as he clearly stated. Natsu said he should not use them anymore since Savage Flames surpass his heat tolerance.

 

[Ramen]

Technically he didnt use Igneel's true power against the war god, he used that against Zeref the first time

 

[WoWfan]

Technically he didnt use Igneel's true power against the war god, he used that against Zeref the first time

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[Axiomus]

Those cuts are small but that does not make them not shed blood, but that does not compare to Jacob who can take hits from Jacob, he blocked actual magic attacks from Natsu while Madmole is only a match for no magic Natsu which is a fact now that his previous showings are meaningless. That is hardly a factor when even DF DE are weaker than a weak spell from Irene personality, that means they are still weaker than Spriggans, who is confirmed weaker than the likes of Makarov who is weaker in turn to the Spriggans who are stronger than most Dragons. He used Igneel's power against War God as he clearly stated. Natsu said he should not use them anymore since Savage Flames surpass his heat tolerance.

You do realize that whether or not Lucy was technically cut isn't actually important right? The point is that Kyria oneshotted Lucy and made her a bleeding mess. Lucy was completely fine after Jacob supposedly cut her, and was more worried about being seen in her underwear than her injuries lol.

At no point did Natsu match Madmole while using no magic. At no point did Natsu hit Wraith while using no magic, so at no point did Wraith access Natsu's strength without magic. To imply that Natsu can match Madmole without magic is pure and utter nonsense, especially when we have feats of Madmole tanking and matching Natsu's magical attack.

He didn't use Igneel's magic power against the War God. He could only use Igneel's magic power once, and he used it against Zeref. He used Igneel's flames against the God of War, and Igneel's flames are just Fire Dragon King flames. Natsu can create Fire Dragon King flames by himself, which means he can use the same type of flames that Igneel uses without actually tapping into Igneel's MP in his arm.

 

[Seven777]

Guys, don't you find one thing curious?
You say in one topic "Jellal is zero, Laxus is hero", here you say about "compare Laxus and Kyria is wrong... because Laxus too strong... and Erza was buffed", "Kyria damaged Lucy!!!"

Nice, really nice. Let's open "dark secrets" ?

1. Kyria super [string] strong AoE ZERO affected not only Laxus.
Both Jellal and Erza took ZERO damahe as well. Relaxed Jellal didn't receive even single scratch (!) Ants deal higher damage on humans then Kyria did on Jellal with her roar.
How you explain this ?
The issues Lucy was defeated before that weak roar just confirmed once more again Lucy (hero of naked battles) is weak herself and not a warrior.

2. Compare Lucy damage by Kyria and in battle with Jacob ?!
Good game, folks. Fresh Natsu, who was motivated [to stop Zeref and co] after coma state... who literally wiped Jacob in that battle actually one who really fought against Jacob and not a Lucy.
Appearance of Lucy was just to make intro for Natsu. What's why she didnt damaged.
Mirajanne who has supreme phys defence compare with Lucy wounded vs Jacob... and Lucy was on light mode, yeah?
Let's continue daydreaming and fanboy and fangirl things further, neednt stop on midway. say clear Lucy >>> Miraganne by phys defence. If you won't say it -> stop be double standard and recognise Jacob didnt have real battle vs Lucy 1 vs 1.

Not really.

Jellal hasn't beat no one, he was not the target of Kyria's roar, and even if he did tank it that just means he has better durability than Lucy. That's why he's a zero(to some)

No, Natsu and Lucy fought Jacob together, Natsu wasn't even the MVP, it was Lucy that got Jacob to close his eyes, it was Lucy who freed FT, and it was thanks to that that Natsu got the opportunity to go all out. Lucy was every bit as important as Natsu, and she emerged from that battle virtually unscathed.

Mira fought Jacob in her human form for %90 of the fight and still emerged with barely any more injuries than she had when she went into that fight. Jacob is a weakling.

 

[WoWfan]

That is not the same as being able to match Natsu who Jacob was more than capable of handling. And Lucy got up later and still could use magic later. Does not matter as that fight showings was retcon. Natsu was just throwing base punches with no flames to back them up and Wraith declared him on Madmole’s level, read it again. He did use Igneel’s flames and Natsu stated it. Magic Power is the same as actual elements so he did use Igneel’s magic power

 

[Ramen]

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Clearly you didn't read what I said, read it before you @ me

 

[WoWfan]

Clearly you didn't read what I said, read it before you @ me

regardless, if it's Igneel's power, it is still Igneel's power.