Fantasy Kyria vs Jacob

[Ramen]

regardless, if it's Igneel's power, it is still Igneel's power.

No, Igneel's true Black Fire Powerup was a one time thing with the tattoo. Natsu and Zeref have referenced it before.

FDK is just the residue

 

[WoWfan]

No, Igneel's true Black Fire Powerup was a one time thing with the tattoo. Natsu and Zeref have referenced it before.

FDK is just the residue

Black what? what is that? But anyway, it is not like Natsu used the FDKM to spend all that magic power, does not mean he can't still use those flames at times, especially when it comes to gods or god related enemies.

 

[Axiomus]

That is not the same as being able to match Natsu who Jacob was more than capable of handling. And Lucy got up later and still could use magic later. Does not matter as that fight showings was retcon. Natsu was just throwing base punches with no flames to back them up and Wraith declared him on Madmole’s level, read it again. He did use Igneel’s flames and Natsu stated it. Magic Power is the same as actual elements so he did use Igneel’s magic power

Lucy was knocked unconscious, and was only able to fight way later. Like way later. So much time had passed that the Dragon Eaters had enough time to brush their teeth, change into pajamas, and go to sleep. Madmole was literally in his pajamas by the time Brandish lifted the ship.

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Natsu's entire body was made out of magic. It was thought projection magic. He didn't use flames, but his body was literally created out of magic. Madmole matched Natsu when he was using magical atacks, and then Wraith said that Natsu's strength was a match for Madmole. There was no retcon. You just want us to believe that Natsu's thought projection magic doesn't count as magic.

Yes, he did use Igneel's flames. Igneel's flames are Fire Dragon King flames, and Natsu can use those flames without tapping into the magic power in his arm. Natsu can only use Igneel's magic power in his arm once, and he used it against Zeref. Magic power isn't the same as actual elements. Erza could enchant the Natsu's fire and Gray's ice into her swords, but she doesn't literally have access to their magic power.

 

[WoWfan]

Does not matter, she still got up anyway, without medical aid even, no different with Kyria by your logic. And Lucy was awake before hand. Natsu’s TP body does not power him up in anyway so not it is no different than actually using power magic to fight. Madmole’s fight was retcon still, TP does use regular magic like any individual can. TP does not count as offensive magic, just hax unless there is a clear statement that is powers him up or use some form of thought base magic similar to fire base magic that he regularly uses, which he did not. Igneel’s Fire is his magic power, they are one in the same, this is common knowledge since Phantom Arc his magic works. Even regular elements contains magic power, that is how DS regain their magic power. It is Erza’s swords that have their MP, not Erza internally

 

[Ramen]

Black what? what is that? But anyway, it is not like Natsu used the FDKM to spend all that magic power, does not mean he can't still use those flames at times, especially when it comes to gods or god related enemies.

Natsu when he fought Zeref THE FIRST TIME, he used Igneel's actual flames and that was shown through the tattoo and it was shown to be black fire . It was also a one time thing.

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[Axiomus]

Does not matter, she still got up anyway, without medical aid even, no different with Kyria by your logic. And Lucy was awake before hand. Natsu’s TP body does not power him up in anyway so not it is no different than actually using power magic to fight. Madmole’s fight was retcon still, TP does use regular magic like any individual can. TP does not count as offensive magic, just hax unless there is a clear statement that is powers him up or use some form of thought base magic similar to fire base magic that he regularly uses, which he did not. Igneel’s Fire is his magic power, they are one in the same, this is common knowledge since Phantom Arc his magic works. Even regular elements contains magic power, that is how DS regain their magic power. It is Erza’s swords that have their MP, not Erza internally

Of course it matters. An entire day has passed before Lucy could fight again. No different than with Kyria? Jacob didn't even knock Lucy out. It's so obvious that Kyria's roar did more damage than Jacob's attacks.

Thought projection is magic, and Madmole can match Natsu's magical attack. Keep pretending that Mashima Hiro retconned a fight.

No, magic power is magic power. It can be used for anything. Elements can be eaten to replenish magic power, and some flames contain magic power within them. But this is irrelevant because Natsu did not eat Igneel's flames for a power-up. Igneel left behind magic power in Natsu's arm. In any case, Igneel's flames are the flames that Igneel would use. Those are Fire Dragon King flames. Natsu can create Fire Dragon King flames without tapping into Igneel's magic power in his arm. Also Natsu literally says that he can only use it once. I don't see why this is even being debated..

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None of this matters anyways, because he didn't use it against Jacob. Even if you say that he used it against the God of War, none of his fights during the Alvarez arc involved him using Igneel's power except Zeref. So you still didn't prove that Natsu was nerfed in a significant way.

 

[WoWfan]

no, it was the same day that Lucy recovered, it doesn’t matter because Lucy got up on her own, without aid, and she still has magic and she was not out cold for long, though long enough for them to get away, TP Is not offensive magic, so it does not add anything other than being intangible or landing hits on intangible targets, so no, same as using no magic to fight. Learn the difference. Magic power is in all parts Of nature, even natural sunlight and moonlight has magic power, the atmosphere, the earth, everything. Fire has magic power, is how they replenish. Even people without magic have magic power inside of them. What are you talking about? Igneel’s power has been used multiple times. Flames = MP, it is a nerf as all of the things that makes him powerful are left behind in the Alvarez arc.

Natsu when he fought Zeref THE FIRST TIME, he used Igneel's actual flames and that was shown through the tattoo and it was shown to be black fire . It was also a one time thing.

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Black fire is Zancrow’s thing, even before hand, Natsu’s fire has had a dark color to it like Igneel’s flames did.

 

[Ramen]

no, it was the same day that Lucy recovered, it doesn’t matter because Lucy got up on her own, without aid, and she still has magic and she was not out cold for long, though long enough for them to get away, TP Is not offensive magic, so it does not add anything other than being intangible or landing hits on intangible targets, so no, same as using no magic to fight. Learn the difference. Magic power is in all parts Of nature, even natural sunlight and moonlight has magic power, the atmosphere, the earth, everything. Fire has magic power, is how they replenish. Even people without magic have magic power inside of them. What are you talking about? Igneel’s power has been used multiple times. Flames = MP, it is a nerf as all of the things that makes him powerful are left behind in the Alvarez arc.


Black fire is Zancrow’s thing, even before hand, Natsu’s fire has had a dark color to it like Igneel’s flames did.

Black and Red

 

[WoWfan]

Igneel’s power color

 

[Ramen]

Igneel’s power color

That's the point.......

 

[WoWfan]

So color does not matter then, he still used Igneel’s power before his battle with Zeref

 

[Ramen]

So color does not matter then, he still used Igneel’s power before his battle with Zeref

No it does matter, he literally said he can only use it once and it was his special technique and he used it once against Zeref.

During their second fight, Zeref says if only you still had Igneel's power, then you might be able to defeat me. This clearly shows he doesn't have it anymore.

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[WoWfan]

That didn’t stop him from saying he used igneel’s power before using it against Zeref. That is because Igneel’s power is special, which happened to be used against s god or god affiliated entity

 

[Ramen]

That didn’t stop him from saying he used igneel’s power before using it against Zeref. That is because Igneel’s power is special, which happened to be used against s god or god affiliated entity

No it wasn't, he was using it metaphorically because FDKM is used as an honour to Igneel. The Manga says he can use it once and he used it against Zeref. Everything you say is irrelevant

 

[WoWfan]

how is it metaphorical, it is pretty straight forward that it is Igneel’s flames, if he wanted to say it as an honor, then he would have said something like “I will use these flames to not let anyone die again!” Or something, besides, most statements that are believed to be metaphors are basically thrown out the window at this point With how magic works. It is entirely relevant

 

[Ramen]

how is it metaphorical, it is pretty straight forward that it is Igneel’s flames, if he wanted to say it as an honor, then he would have said something like “I will use these flames to not let anyone die again!” Or something, besides, most statements that are believed to be metaphors are basically thrown out the window at this point With how magic works. It is entirely relevant

Lol the manga clearly states he can only use Igneel's flame once and he did against Zeref. What are you trying to argue if I already showed you the scans?

 

[WoWfan]

That he can use igneels flames more than once, it is when he uses FDKM is when he can only use it once and that is it for his Igneel powers

 

[Ramen]

That he can use igneels flames more than once, it is when he uses FDKM is when he can only use it once and that is it for his Igneel powers

You: He can use Igneel's flames more than once

Natsu: I can use it once

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[WoWfan]

He is referring to when he uses FDKM that Igneel’s power will be used up, that doesn’t mean he can’t use portions of it for standard FDK spells

 

[Ramen]

He is referring to when he uses FDKM that Igneel’s power will be used up, that doesn’t mean he can’t use portions of it for standard FDK spells

Ughh......Think what you want, you're clearly a brick wall, I gave some scans take them as you want