Discussion Laxus Dreyar Thread

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I'm not gonna class villains in this com
Laxus has always been stronger than natsu and erza.
1. He fought Hades as equal for few min in 1vs1 whereas natsu erza wendy lucy n gray were all beaten, n they were together. I'm not telling that laxus was Hades level in tenrou arc, but he was stronger than natsu gray erza lucy n wendy.
2. In tartaros arc, he one shouted tempesta without getting serious, before taking for him a huge poison dose (city size) which is deadly.
Remember that natsu had lot of difficulties against tempesta, n even in lightningfire mode he wasn't able to one shot him. Gray was able to do it coz his magic is the démons weakness.

Now let's talk about arbaless arc.
In this arc, laxus has a very beautiful n badass entrance, he saved natsu erza gray lucy wendy mest n makarov then he was going to one shot ajil with just one simple attack which was a nuclear explosion !!! JUST ONE ATTACK.
Then, he fought wahl, who is a very very powerful spriggan coz he can attack with etherion (yes the council weapon) isn't that op ? Thunder has no effect on wahl, n laxus was very very sick ! Then he really impressed me with his strategy with HIS jutsuchiki he lurned from freed, laxus is very smart. Then he was able to beat wahl with just one attack.
So luxus fullpower is much stronger than spriggans except august.

I want to clarify another point spriggans are all arriver than erza ! Ajil defeated her in 1vs1 n if biska didn't shout him with Jupiter, he would killed erza.

So laxus is much stronger than her. I think he's natsu's king dragon level. Coz laxus is fastest n smarter than him, n now he can defend himself with jutsuchiki.

Gildartz is a little bit stronger than laxus.

I think you're hyping Laxus too much here. I can agree that Laxus is strong but your Tartaros example with Natsu vs. Tempesta and Laxus vs. Tempesta is not quite accurate because Natsu went against Etherious Tempesta while Laxus killed Base Tempesta. Also, his battle against Hades wasn't very long so it is hard to tell whether he performed better than Team Natsu by a lot or a little.

Regarding the Alvarez Arc, it was never implied that Laxus' attack would have one-shotted him. Injure him? Maybe. In addition to that point, size doesn't necessarily determine the DC of an attack. Furthermore, Wahl having an Etherion magic attack doesn't tell us anything about his defense, only attack power. So Laxus defeating him could be quite possible; however, there was also Nakama Power involved. Not to mention, Wahl made a few mistakes but that can't be counted against Laxus, only Wahl himself.

Either way, Laxus defeating Wahl does not imply that he is stronger than all the Spriggans except August. We have barely seen the other 8 so that assumption would be highly speculative. If we count God Serena and Brandish who seem to have overwhelming magic, we could also infer that Laxus would lose against them.

 

[Firepower]

I think you're hyping Laxus too much here. I can agree that Laxus is strong but your Tartaros example with Natsu vs. Tempesta and Laxus vs. Tempesta is not quite accurate because Natsu went against Etherious Tempesta while Laxus killed Base Tempesta. Also, his battle against Hades wasn't very long so it is hard to tell whether he performed better than Team Natsu by a lot or a little.

Regarding the Alvarez Arc, it was never implied that Laxus' attack would have one-shotted him. Injure him? Maybe. In addition to that point, size doesn't necessarily determine the DC of an attack. Furthermore, Wahl having an Etherion magic attack doesn't tell us anything about his defense, only attack power. So Laxus defeating him could be quite possible; however, there was also Nakama Power involved. Not to mention, Wahl made a few mistakes but that can't be counted against Laxus, only Wahl himself.

Either way, Laxus defeating Wahl does not imply that he is stronger than all the Spriggans except August. We have barely seen the other 8 so that assumption would be highly speculative. If we count God Serena and Brandish who seem to have overwhelming magic, we could also infer that Laxus would lose against them.

Against Hades he could have still fought on, but for the pride of the guild he wanted a ft member to pay Hades back for trying to kill them. He did get up later on and punched Hades in the face way after giving Natsu his power.

Wasn't Tempesta already in his etherious form from the beginning against Laxus?

Laxus red lightning is no asspull. When he was cured of the bane particles, he grinned as if to say that's what I was waiting for. Then showed his true power. This wasn't the kind of fight where he was weaker than the opponent and he desperately had to pull something out of his ass. He was relieved to be healthy,then did what he did. From this point on he might fight with red lightning as he pleases. But as many mangas go, they warm up first and see how much exertion is needed. From the very beginning when Natsu fought the wind guy, it was said that type of magic is powered even further by feelings, determination. Even in real life what motivates you keeps you pushing forward. If you don't care you're not likely gonna be as effective. Even bad guys have something driving them to do what they do. They don't just say it's getting hard I'm leaving. Whether it be revenge, hatred or anything, in any manga these have been very important, but it's simply emphasized in Fairy Tail manga.

All the talk of plot armor and asspulls are coming from those who had different expectations and already gave a power ranking on those that haven't been tested. If you don't know for sure, stay open to it and not cement your ideas until then.

 

[Laxuseven]

Lol red lightning that surpasses lightning was such bs tho!!! Coooommmeeee ooooonnnn. He needed a dues ex machina to pull off the win. If he had beaten any other sprigfan other than the one immune to lightning i would agree with you. He didnt save anyone as well, qhen they were fleeing ajeel. Natsu had already shown capable to cancel out ajeels town sinking spell. Laxus assisted, not saved. Laxus is strong, but at this point in the story hes not above Natsu. Its too far into the story for that

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Laxus stronger than the spriggans??? Lol equal, not stronger

Natsu has sown he can fight ajeel, yes, but laxus was Gibbs one shot him if august wasn't here.

And if laxus has defeated the only spriggans who was his weakness and being sick, he's stronger than all spriggans except august dimaria n maybe good Serena.

And red lighting wasn't bs. It's a realist power up which comes from family so blood links. Whereas friends power up are bs.

 

[Ichibei]

Well firstly, Red Lightning does exist, its called a sprite

Laxus used his will to protect his friends to beat wahl, he inherited these characteristics from his great grand father. Fairy Tail was always about friendship so thats nothing new here

 

[Stormsfury]

I think you're hyping Laxus too much here. I can agree that Laxus is strong but your Tartaros example with Natsu vs. Tempesta and Laxus vs. Tempesta is not quite accurate because Natsu went against Etherious Tempesta while Laxus killed Base Tempesta. Also, his battle against Hades wasn't very long so it is hard to tell whether he performed better than Team Natsu by a lot or a little.

Regarding the Alvarez Arc, it was never implied that Laxus' attack would have one-shotted him. Injure him? Maybe. In addition to that point, size doesn't necessarily determine the DC of an attack. Furthermore, Wahl having an Etherion magic attack doesn't tell us anything about his defense, only attack power. So Laxus defeating him could be quite possible; however, there was also Nakama Power involved. Not to mention, Wahl made a few mistakes but that can't be counted against Laxus, only Wahl himself.

Either way, Laxus defeating Wahl does not imply that he is stronger than all the Spriggans except August. We have barely seen the other 8 so that assumption would be highly speculative. If we count God Serena and Brandish who seem to have overwhelming magic, we could also infer that Laxus would lose against them.

Laxus basically one-shot Wahl, when he was ill and disadvantaged, Ajeel needed August to save him from Laxus as well, when Natsu display's that level of strength and superiority over a Spriggan, then we can talk. The avatar arc was full of fodder and Natsu's BDKM is gone, so now we get to see what he's truly made of but as long as he's bed ridden, I'm going to go with the logical choice of Laxus still being stronger.

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Lol red lightning that surpasses lightning was such bs tho!!! Coooommmeeee ooooonnnn. He needed a dues ex machina to pull off the win. If he had beaten any other sprigfan other than the one immune to lightning i would agree with you. He didnt save anyone as well, qhen they were fleeing ajeel. Natsu had already shown capable to cancel out ajeels town sinking spell. Laxus assisted, not saved. Laxus is strong, but at this point in the story hes not above Natsu. Its too far into the story for that

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 27, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 27, 2016 ---

Laxus stronger than the spriggans??? Lol equal, not stronger

So your going with the "Natsu is the MC and therefore should be stronger at this point in the story" excuse to justify your claims. Now that is perhaps the weakest and lamest argument I've heard, Laxus fought a Spriggan at a disadvantage, he was also ill and he still managed to one-shot Wahl, August also had to save Ajeel from him, when Natsu pulls off something like that against a mage of that calibre, then come talk. It was the entirety of team Natsu that cancelled out Ajeel's town shrinking spell, not just Natsu himself and if you actually think Laxus didn't save their asses then I literally can't take you seriously anymore.
Regarding dues ex machina, if you want to call the red lightning that (I actually partially agree), don't even get me started on the deus ex machina moments that Natsu has had throughout the series.

 

[Axiomus]

Since when did Laxus oneshot Wahl? I'm seriously starting to doubt people know what oneshot means anymore. The only person that has oneshotted a Spriggan so far is Acnologia.

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So laxus is much stronger than her. I think he's natsu's king dragon level. Coz laxus is fastest n smarter than him, n now he can defend himself with jutsuchiki.

Do you believe that fire dragon king spells were done using Igneel's power, or do you believe he was using them on his own power? That makes a huge difference. If you believe that Natsu's dragon king spells were his own power, then sure: I can see Laxus matching dragon king mode. However, if you believe that it was Igneel's power then it's a completely different story. Igneel was on Acnologia level, and that's way higher than any Spriggan. It might be way higher than the Spriggans combined. Natsu w/Igneel's power would at least be stronger than any individual Spriggan, August included.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Against Hades he could have still fought on, but for the pride of the guild he wanted a ft member to pay Hades back for trying to kill them. He did get up later on and punched Hades in the face way after giving Natsu his power.

I'm not sure if you caught what Laxus was trying to say but that was his way of saying that he can't beat Hades. Yes, he wanted someone from the guild to beat Hades for Makarov's sake but he admitted a few panels before that he still has a long way to go, meaning he couldn't defeat Hades.

Spoiler

Also note that this is Hades without the power-up from his eyes. Again, using this information we cannot prove how much longer Laxus would survive especially when Hades becomes serious.

Wasn't Tempesta already in his etherious form from the beginning against Laxus?

No. There is actually a clear difference between base form and Etherious Form for Tempesta.

Spoiler: Tempesta Base Form

Spoiler: Tempesta Etherious Form

Laxus red lightning is no asspull. When he was cured of the bane particles, he grinned as if to say that's what I was waiting for. Then showed his true power. This wasn't the kind of fight where he was weaker than the opponent and he desperately had to pull something out of his ass. He was relieved to be healthy,then did what he did. From this point on he might fight with red lightning as he pleases. But as many mangas go, they warm up first and see how much exertion is needed. From the very beginning when Natsu fought the wind guy, it was said that type of magic is powered even further by feelings, determination. Even in real life what motivates you keeps you pushing forward. If you don't care you're not likely gonna be as effective. Even bad guys have something driving them to do what they do. They don't just say it's getting hard I'm leaving. Whether it be revenge, hatred or anything, in any manga these have been very important, but it's simply emphasized in Fairy Tail manga.

All the talk of plot armor and asspulls are coming from those who had different expectations and already gave a power ranking on those that haven't been tested. If you don't know for sure, stay open to it and not cement your ideas until then.

I am open to new ideas and attacks from different characters. I even put Laxus at a very high rank out of the Fairy Tail guild. There are just certain battles that you can obviously tell was used to either speed up the plot or end the character development of a character that is obviously snowballing. I don't see the problem with viewers labeling this fight as PoF or Power of Family since Yury and Laxus are not friends. It is the Laxus fans that take offense because they think their favorite character is a god or something. Nobody ever said Laxus is weak or inferior to others. All we said is that his fight was pointless and unrealistic. If one person says it, maybe it is arguable. The fact that you search online and see many other people agree means that there is clearly something about the plot that didn't make sense. You just stated that Red Lightning was powered by feelings. That is essentially the definition of Nakama or PoF. Whether you see it or not, I think this battle ended the way it did because of plot.

Well firstly, Red Lightning does exist, its called a sprite

Laxus used his will to protect his friends to beat wahl, he inherited these characteristics from his great grand father. Fairy Tail was always about friendship so thats nothing new here

Nobody here is saying that there is no such thing as a sprite. Of course there is. The argument here is not about whether Red Lightning exists or not. To me, color doesn't matter. Just like when Gray's Ice was red. It doesn't bother me because it was explained properly. On the other hand, Laxus using Red Lightning because of PoF is different. Not only were the Spriggans hyped to be really powerful but Laxus destroyed Wahl in one-hit via Nakama. I can see why others would find this to be disappointing just like I was.

 

[Ichibei]

Well i am disappointed as well. Every spriggan so far seemed dangerous but mashima decided to remove them rather wuickly. Although i think that serena would have wrecked most ft members, but the poor guy had ti face acno.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Laxus basically one-shot Wahl, when he was ill and disadvantaged, Ajeel needed August to save him from Laxus as well, when Natsu display's that level of strength and superiority over a Spriggan, then we can talk. The avatar arc was full of fodder and Natsu's BDKM is gone, so now we get to see what he's truly made of but as long as he's bed ridden, I'm going to go with the logical choice of Laxus still being stronger.

I don't know what you're trying to get at here. If you think I'm an advocate for Natsu being stronger than Laxus, then you misunderstood me. I won't compare Natsu to any character and I have avoided ranking Natsu's power even in the Domus Flau Thread due to the discrepancy of which spells are Natsu's and which are Igneel's.

 

[Firepower]

I am open to new ideas and attacks from different characters. I even put Laxus at a very high rank out of the Fairy Tail guild. There are just certain battles that you can obviously tell was used to either speed up the plot or end the character development of a character that is obviously snowballing. I don't see the problem with viewers labeling this fight as PoF or Power of Family since Yury and Laxus are not friends. It is the Laxus fans that take offense because they think their favorite character is a god or something. Nobody ever said Laxus is weak or inferior to others. All we said is that his fight was pointless and unrealistic. If one person says it, maybe it is arguable. The fact that you search online and see many other people agree means that there is clearly something about the plot that didn't make sense. You just stated that Red Lightning was powered by feelings. That is essentially the definition of Nakama or PoF. Whether you see it or not, I think this battle ended the way it did because of plot.



Nobody here is saying that there is no such thing as a sprite. Of course there is. The argument here is not about whether Red Lightning exists or not. To me, color doesn't matter. Just like when Gray's Ice was red. It doesn't bother me because it was explained properly. On the other hand, Laxus using Red Lightning because of PoF is different. Not only were the Spriggans hyped to be really powerful but Laxus destroyed Wahl in one-hit via Nakama. I can see why others would find this to be disappointing just like I was.

What are many other people agreeing on?

Sorry ace, I made it clear that Laxus fights for the love and safety of his guild. Never did I deny it. That's all you denying the meaning of your words. I made it very clear whether they fight for revenge, anger, whatever the motivation, conviction and drive, it's not that different from nakama. Not different because they are all forms of feelings. Check out my last post in the Alvarez power ranking. I did say it. Check out the reply I gave you before this one where I said if non of them were motivated, they'd just quit when the heroes or villains fight back. In real life people who are the best at what they do have a drive and reason to train harder or practice more. It's all feelings.

In any case nakama always kicks in when they have done everything and gave 110% or if the enemy is too strong. Laxus and Wahl were in an even fight. In fact Laxus hit Wahl a few more times. Only when Laxus was distracted by the effects of the particles did Wahl make such a great combo. Yhe moment Laxus was cured, he got up. No desperation because he was very happy to be healed. He just went straight for the kill. Not because it was the last resort he had or the only chance of victory. Otherwise would you explain why this is all for plot if it was a legitimate win?

If we go by your logic every anime has plot armor. You have a main character and a group of people important also. Sometimes the mc dies but at the end after they've achieved their goal. How often do you hear of important characters dying and then the one that killed them becomes a main character? For any anime to be successful characters aren't supposed to be trash with a quick and crappy ending. Action and adventure anime series are the ones where a person or group of people are epically strong and have legendary adventures and fights with great enemies. This is not akame ga kill where every character dies. It's fairy tail. There's been almost 500 chapters, why can't you people catch on and see what kind of anime this is?

I've been fighting Crimson ice because he credits Laxus a little too much. Why exactly was Wahl supposed to win? What has he done that proves his strength should have been enough to beat Laxus that has people confused? There was talk about the spriggan, that they are so strong. Is that all the hype you need to believe they are invincible and any other outcome is plot armor asspulls or whatever you delusional ones come up with? You say Laxus is strong and you don't mind characters getting new powers, then what is it that makes you believe the fight results are off crying plot armor? You'll need more than just saying many feel this way because many feel the story is legit. When people don't like something they complain. When people like what's going on, they don't go online cheering about it as much as angry ones. And I'm all about wanting the facts, regardless who is my favorite character which is not Laxus.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

What are many other people agreeing on?

Sorry ace, I made it clear that Laxus fights for the love and safety of his guild. Never did I deny it. That's all you denying the meaning of your words. I made it very clear whether they fight for revenge, anger, whatever the motivation, conviction and drive, it's not that different from nakama. Not different because they are all forms of feelings. Check out my last post in the Alvarez power ranking. I did say it. Check out the reply I gave you before this one where I said if non of them were motivated, they'd just quit when the heroes or villains fight back. In real life people who are the best at what they do have a drive and reason to train harder or practice more. It's all feelings.

In any case nakama always kicks in when they have done everything and gave 110% or if the enemy is too strong. Laxus and Wahl were in an even fight. In fact Laxus hit Wahl a few more times. Only when Laxus was distracted by the effects of the particles did Wahl make such a great combo. Yhe moment Laxus was cured, he got up. No desperation because he was very happy to be healed. He just went straight for the kill. Not because it was the last resort he had or the only chance of victory. Otherwise would you explain why this is all for plot if it was a legitimate win?

If we go by your logic every anime has plot armor. You have a main character and a group of people important also. Sometimes the mc dies but at the end after they've achieved their goal. How often do you hear of important characters dying and then the one that killed them becomes a main character? For any anime to be successful characters aren't supposed to be trash with a quick and crappy ending. Action and adventure anime series are the ones where a person or group of people are epically strong and have legendary adventures and fights with great enemies. This is not akame ga kill where every character dies. It's fairy tail. There's been almost 500 chapters, why can't you people catch on and see what kind of anime this is?

I've been fighting Crimson ice because he credits Laxus a little too much. Why exactly was Wahl supposed to win? What has he done that proves his strength should have been enough to beat Laxus that has people confused? There was talk about the spriggan, that they are so strong. Is that all the hype you need to believe they are invincible and any other outcome is plot armor asspulls or whatever you delusional ones come up with? You say Laxus is strong and you don't mind characters getting new powers, then what is it that makes you believe the fight results are off crying plot armor? You'll need more than just saying many feel this way because many feel the story is legit. When people don't like something they complain. When people like what's going on, they don't go online cheering about it as much as angry ones. And I'm all about wanting the facts, regardless who is my favorite character which is not Laxus.

Many people agree that this fight was not executed properly especially with Laxus defeating Wahl relatively easy; hence, the plot induced feat that was involved. Nakama is important as it is the theme of Fairy Tail but not when it is used to defeat an opponent that the character initially couldn't defeat. Laxus was obviously not going to defeat Wahl with Easy Difficulty. That means if the Red Lightning attack was able to penetrate Wahl's defense and immunity, not to mention, killing him with ease, something there does not quite add up. We all know what kind of anime this is. But how would you like it if it ended with someone like Gildarts soloing Acnologia? Does it make sense? Nope.

I won't intervene with your fight against Crimson Ice, however, I don't understand your post. You said he credits Laxus too much but then talk about how Wahl shouldn't be hyped to be that strong. I'll be honest, I don't know which side either of you are on but my position is very firm. Laxus should not have defeated Wahl this easily especially with PoF. That is not his nature. Sure, every character has Nakama powers involved. But not like this. You can tell when fights result in plot armor when it is unrealistic and illogical.

Not true. Actually, many people do go cheering online when events happen in their favor. Even some live reactions on youtube or posts on other forums that are relatively neutral to most events, did not like the way the chapter went. There are more people who are happy with the fight then the angry ones because it is Laxus who has the spotlight. However, there is a substantial amount of people who hated on the chapter this time, if not more than usual, so like I keep on saying, there are mixed feelings for how it turned out.

 

[Firepower]

Many people agree that this fight was not executed properly especially with Laxus defeating Wahl relatively easy; hence, the plot induced feat that was involved. Nakama is important as it is the theme of Fairy Tail but not when it is used to defeat an opponent that the character initially couldn't defeat. Laxus was obviously not going to defeat Wahl with Easy Difficulty. That means if the Red Lightning attack was able to penetrate Wahl's defense and immunity, not to mention, killing him with ease, something there does not quite add up. We all know what kind of anime this is. But how would you like it if it ended with someone like Gildarts soloing Acnologia? Does it make sense? Nope.

I won't intervene with your fight against Crimson Ice, however, I don't understand your post. You said he credits Laxus too much but then talk about how Wahl shouldn't be hyped to be that strong. I'll be honest, I don't know which side either of you are on but my position is very firm. Laxus should not have defeated Wahl this easily especially with PoF. That is not his nature. Sure, every character has Nakama powers involved. But not like this. You can tell when fights result in plot armor when it is unrealistic and illogical.

Not true. Actually, many people do go cheering online when events happen in their favor. Even some live reactions on youtube or posts on other forums that are relatively neutral to most events, did not like the way the chapter went. There are more people who are happy with the fight then the angry ones because it is Laxus who has the spotlight. However, there is a substantial amount of people who hated on the chapter this time, if not more than usual, so like I keep on saying, there are mixed feelings for how it turned out.

I see your analogy with Gildarts. But Wahl is not Acnologia, and Gildarts barely survived, losing a leg, an arm, and probably a kidney in one attack. I don't know where people are coming up with the idea that this is the final arc. If it was the last and ft is ending, then yes I'd agree that this war needs to be more epic. Natsu will find a way to live without the need of Zeref or END. When that happens it will be Gray that will kill END. I really don't think the the war with Acnologia will be settled here. With Ajeel most likely up and ready to fight again, Wahl just needs to put his machine parts back together, it's likey Ishgar and Alvarez will resort to teaming up against Acno.

Honestly, the way I see Laxus's red lightning I think of Zuko from the last airbender. There was a point when he was unable to bend fire because he was confused. He thought everything was going the way he wanted, but he didn't feel that way. He didn't understand his feelings. He lost his anger, some form of intense emotion that he no longer had after believing the avatar was dead. With Laxus, I see it the same way, he awakened red lightning during the time skip because he understands his feelings which gives him more drive resulting in more strength. We both agree that Laxus winning isn't bad. The only difference is that you didn't want it to end so easily after getting cured. I'm gonna agree with that as the story would have been better. I made a complaint before that not every fight should be a win for ft. Otherwise you will always know the outcome. Losing and getting stronger to face the enemy isn't necessarily bad. It's to be expected with Acno or Zeref, but I do want stronger antagonists other than these two, with strong character, demeanor that makes us want to see them again.

 

[Brandish μ]

Red Lightning is a named attack, so I assume he could use it before the fight. It didn't just spontaneously come into existence because of PoF imo.

Since when did Laxus oneshot Wahl? I'm seriously starting to doubt people know what oneshot means anymore. The only person that has oneshotted a Spriggan so far is Acnologia.

Yea Laxus definitely did not oneshot Wahl. Red Lightning did nearly all the damage on Wahl, but it's not a oneshot. Laxus could oneshot people around Bluenote level I think.

Well i am disappointed as well. Every spriggan so far seemed dangerous but mashima decided to remove them rather wuickly. Although i think that serena would have wrecked most ft members, but the poor guy had ti face acno.

That's basically a hype thing, where you expect something that doesn't come to pass. However Laxus did get the hype to be Spriggan level in ch 447.

God Serena is strong, but I think Laxus would beat him. Not one of God Serena's dragon slayer efforts were above Natsu's FD roar imo, but it's clear he can spam powerful attacks + has resistance to 8 elements.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I see it now. You said he likely wouldn't have died but badly injured. Ok you're clean. Natsu had somewhat of a look while Ajeel was preparing to attack. The drop of sweat was after the attack was gone, the facial expression was an unsuspected look due to Laxus power. The way I interpreted it, this was to show that ft can put up a fight against these so called unbeatable powerhouses. Like when a powerful hero sees how strong someone is even if he is stronger. I seriously doubt it would have badly hurt Ajeel. Probably enough to hurt him to damage him but not ko him. I saw your other comments on the Serena thread being pushy so I already marked you or judged you as abusive. Sorry for judging you and treating you as such.

No problem.

 

[Supa Hot Fire]

Man man man...Long time since i didnt post..
What im reading honestly...
Now and by far we know that Laxus is the strongest mage in Fairy Tail.. Lets Start from the beginning :
- Took entire Fairy tail to take him down, fought with Mystogan i mean he was messing with Mystogan, fought Erza a little and seems to have the advantage, wrecked Natsu , Wrecked Natsu and Gajeel, used Fairy law who cost him all his magic , Wrecked Natsu again ( this one got saved by Gajeel) and finally Natsu did some friendship power up to take him down when he was exhausted.
- When Makarov almost died by the hand of Hadés he said : Hear me , you , the one who will avenge me or smth like this, he surely mean that Laxus is going to be the new Master and inherit Makarov.
- Against Hadés, Laxus showed good strenght , Hadés himself said that he is on the same level as Gildarts and dont tell me it wasn't written on the Manga because all what is passed on anime is approved by the author ( Mashima ) like the re-fight of Laxus against Tempesta, Mashima insisted to make this fight. And on top of that , in anime they dont do bullshit, they ask the author before doing something who wasnt written , they cannot do things as they like , imagine if Hadés said that Levy is on the same level as Makarov??
- Still Against Hadés he was able to continue the fight and go on his Dragon forme, he was still able to fight because we saw the amont of magic which was still inside him, but he gave it to Natsu , and on top of that he took an Amaterasu of Hadés and was still able to move and finally he took a powerfull spell by Hadés WITHOUT magic in his body and was still able to move too, Bbut he said that it was the guild who were hurt and it was for the guild to payback not him who was expelled.
- In this Fight Erza couldn't believe that Laxus was this strong, and Natsu said that he is way weaker than Laxus.
- in GMG he fought Jura who was considerred as the strongest human , Makarov said he was on the level of Guildarts ( dont tell me it's a pure bullshit , Mashima wrote it and you cant deny the author arguments ) Anyway Laxus beats Jura who was considerred as the same level of Guildarts only with 3 monthsTraining , so it means with 3 months of training he could catch up Gildarts.
- When Jura was going ot fight Jellal Mira said that Jellal has no luck because even if she teams up with Erza she still gonna lose against Jura , so it means that Laxus can take Erza and Mira .
- In Tartaros Arc, Laxus Managed to one shot Tempesta one of the 9 Kyukimon ( One of the strongest kyukimon : he said that his body was the strongest in the 9 demon )
- Re-fight against Tempesta and got him even when his body was full of Mashoryushi he was still able to move.

AND NOW ON ALVAREZ ARC
- Could One shot Ajeel whom Erza couldnt take down in 1 vs 1, but Ajeel was saved by August who considered that the attack of Laxus was able to kill Ajeel.
- He was able to follow a SPRINGAN when he was ill , he survived at all of the attacks of Wahl and he tricked him to heal himself AND Wahl was immunised against lightning, imagine if it was another Springan ? Laxus wrecked someone who is immunised against his powers...
AND WHEN HE HEALED HIMSELF AND FULL POWER HE ONE SHOTED WAHL !
NO FRIEND POWER OR SMTH LIKE THIS IT WAS JUST THE UNLOCK OF HIS FULL ABILITES WHEN HIS BODY WAS FINE !

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH XD

 

[reesestl]

Red Lightning was an attack he created inspired by his grandfathers story. In the FTverse emotions are source of power, so I guess he couldn't have used the before. Also reading what sprite is, it may be described as red lightning and also it makes perfect sense to describe it as "Lightning that is not lightning." So the criticisms are really based on ignorance in part of the reader (mine too) than the author. This is what wikipedia says,

"Sprites are sometimes inaccurately called upper-atmospheric lightning. However, sprites are cold plasma phenomena that lack the hot channel temperatures of tropospheric lightning, so they are more akin to fluorescent tube discharges than to lightning discharges."

only problem I now have is it really more lethal than lightning? Doesn't sound like it.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Man man man...Long time since i didnt post..
What im reading honestly...
Now and by far we know that Laxus is the strongest mage in Fairy Tail..

I can give you that Laxus was one of the strongest members in Fairy Tail. Keep this sentence in mind before reading the rest of my post.

Lets Start from the beginning :
- Took entire Fairy tail to take him down, fought with Mystogan i mean he was messing with Mystogan, fought Erza a little and seems to have the advantage, wrecked Natsu , Wrecked Natsu and Gajeel, used Fairy law who cost him all his magic , Wrecked Natsu again ( this one got saved by Gajeel) and finally Natsu did some friendship power up to take him down when he was exhausted.

Not really. It's not like he went against the entire guild or anything. That is kind of exaggerating a bit too much. You're giving him all the credit for everything but not including the other factors and the context of these events. But we'll start here I guess. Was he stronger than Natsu? Yes. But only a little stronger than Natsu + Gajeel which is why the fight ended in a tie.

First of all, Mystogan's fight with Laxus was very brief. You can say that Laxus was messing with Mystogan, even though he was not, but if you do happen to say so, Mystogan was doing the same. They were on equal footing and Mystogan could have held the upper advantage if the batle continued. Erza fought Evergreen so that also takes some magical energy out of her. His fight was mainly against Natsu and a little bit of Gajeel.

That last attack was not friendship power though. That is heavily biased. It was legit magic because it was a finishing attack against a weary Laxus. Also, we saw Natsu struggle to pull off such an attack after getting beat several times. Just because Natsu is exhausted, it doesn't mean he cannot use another attack... If anything, Laxus using an attack after using Fairy Law is even worse. Power of Friendship comes in when either the attack is not explained properly with logic or when the user is undamaged and destroys their enemy with ease. Similar to a one-shot where an opponent is not even close to being injured/dead.

- When Makarov almost died by the hand of Hadés he said : Hear me , you , the one who will avenge me or smth like this, he surely mean that Laxus is going to be the new Master and inherit Makarov.

This is purely hype. Not to mention, Makarov always says that about his "children" because he believes in them and has a lot of faith in their powers. He said the same thing about Natsu, Gray, and Erza during the Battle of Fairy Tail Arc. This literally happened so many times, it really doesn't prove anything.

Spoiler

- Against Hadés, Laxus showed good strenght , Hadés himself said that he is on the same level as Gildarts and dont tell me it wasn't written on the Manga because all what is passed on anime is approved by the author ( Mashima ) like the re-fight of Laxus against Tempesta, Mashima insisted to make this fight. And on top of that , in anime they dont do bullshit, they ask the author before doing something who wasnt written , they cannot do things as they like , imagine if Hadés said that Levy is on the same level as Makarov??

Sure, Laxus showed good strength. The rest also did too. Maybe not on the same level, but close. The fact is that he still couldn't beat Hades. He even admitted it himself. Again, what someone says is hype. Hades never even really met Gildarts...

- Still Against Hadés he was able to continue the fight and go on his Dragon forme, he was still able to fight because we saw the amont of magic which was still inside him, but he gave it to Natsu , and on top of that he took an Amaterasu of Hadés and was still able to move and finally he took a powerfull spell by Hadés WITHOUT magic in his body and was still able to move too, Bbut he said that it was the guild who were hurt and it was for the guild to payback not him who was expelled.
- In this Fight Erza couldn't believe that Laxus was this strong, and Natsu said that he is way weaker than Laxus.

Laxus may have been able to fight but that doesn't matter because he clearly said he wasn't at Hades' level... I don't know why people keep on saying he gave his power to Natsu only to let someone from the guild to defeat him. Which is better, letting someone from your guild die against a strong opponent or finishing him off to save your guild even though you aren't really apart of it? I'm not denying that he said that, but that is not the sole reason. He obviously couldn't defeat Hades. That speech he gave was just adding on to it.

Spoiler

If you want to say that Laxus is stronger than Natsu, then that's fine with me. But Natsu is still not the strongest in Fairy Tail during Tenrou Arc.

- in GMG he fought Jura who was considerred as the strongest human , Makarov said he was on the level of Guildarts ( dont tell me it's a pure bullshit , Mashima wrote it and you cant deny the author arguments ) Anyway Laxus beats Jura who was considerred as the same level of Guildarts only with 3 monthsTraining , so it means with 3 months of training he could catch up Gildarts.

Once again, was that proven or was that just mere hype by the master of his own guild? What else could she say? That Laxus would one-shot him? Makarov is also wrong. Feats don't back-up hype. First, Makarov barely knew Jura except that he is a wizard saint. If there was anyone who would know best, it would be Natsu because he was affiliated with Jura during the Oración Seis and fought Gildarts many times. Things brings me to my next point. Second, Jura had trouble against Oración Seis in which they were clearly not on the same level as Gildarts.

- When Jura was going ot fight Jellal Mira said that Jellal has no luck because even if she teams up with Erza she still gonna lose against Jura , so it means that Laxus can take Erza and Mira .

Mirajane said that she doesn't know if they can win. Doesn't mean they won't. That is just words. It adds no evidence to whether Laxus is the strongest or not.

- In Tartaros Arc, Laxus Managed to one shot Tempesta one of the 9 Kyukimon ( One of the strongest kyukimon : he said that his body was the strongest in the 9 demon )
- Re-fight against Tempesta and got him even when his body was full of Mashoryushi he was still able to move.

Laxus one-shotted Tempesta in Base Form. Nothing impressive considering every other member beat the Etherious Forms of those demons. Anybody can probably move even with Magical Barrier Particles in their body, but they'd be in critical condition.

AND NOW ON ALVAREZ ARC
- Could One shot Ajeel whom Erza couldnt take down in 1 vs 1, but Ajeel was saved by August who considered that the attack of Laxus was able to kill Ajeel.

Laxus one-shotting Ajeel is pure speculation. Never proven except hyped by fans. August never even said the attack would kill Ajeel. All he said is that it could do damage whether it'd be a lot or a little is unknown. We can come up with different theories all day like August was worried that Laxus' attack would do enough damage to Ajeel in which Team Natsu can finish him off.

- He was able to follow a SPRINGAN when he was ill , he survived at all of the attacks of Wahl and he tricked him to heal himself AND Wahl was immunised against lightning, imagine if it was another Springan ? Laxus wrecked someone who is immunised against his powers...
AND WHEN HE HEALED HIMSELF AND FULL POWER HE ONE SHOTED WAHL !
NO FRIEND POWER OR SMTH LIKE THIS IT WAS JUST THE UNLOCK OF HIS FULL ABILITES WHEN HIS BODY WAS FINE !

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH XD

I think I already argued over this topic so I guess we'll just disagree here.

 

[Stormsfury]

I can give you that Laxus was one of the strongest members in Fairy Tail. Keep this sentence in mind before reading the rest of my post.



Not really. It's not like he went against the entire guild or anything. That is kind of exaggerating a bit too much. You're giving him all the credit for everything but not including the other factors and the context of these events. But we'll start here I guess. Was he stronger than Natsu? Yes. But only a little stronger than Natsu + Gajeel which is why the fight ended in a tie.

First of all, Mystogan's fight with Laxus was very brief. You can say that Laxus was messing with Mystogan, even though he was not, but if you do happen to say so, Mystogan was doing the same. They were on equal footing and Mystogan could have held the upper advantage if the batle continued. Erza fought Evergreen so that also takes some magical energy out of her. His fight was mainly against Natsu and a little bit of Gajeel.

That last attack was not friendship power though. That is heavily biased. It was legit magic because it was a finishing attack against a weary Laxus. Also, we saw Natsu struggle to pull off such an attack after getting beat several times. Just because Natsu is exhausted, it doesn't mean he cannot use another attack... If anything, Laxus using an attack after using Fairy Law is even worse. Power of Friendship comes in when either the attack is not explained properly with logic or when the user is undamaged and destroys their enemy with ease. Similar to a one-shot where an opponent is not even close to being injured/dead.



This is purely hype. Not to mention, Makarov always says that about his "children" because he believes in them and has a lot of faith in their powers. He said the same thing about Natsu, Gray, and Erza during the Battle of Fairy Tail Arc. This literally happened so many times, it really doesn't prove anything.

Spoiler

Sure, Laxus showed good strength. The rest also did too. Maybe not on the same level, but close. The fact is that he still couldn't beat Hades. He even admitted it himself. Again, what someone says is hype. Hades never even really met Gildarts...



Laxus may have been able to fight but that doesn't matter because he clearly said he wasn't at Hades' level... I don't know why people keep on saying he gave his power to Natsu only to let someone from the guild to defeat him. Which is better, letting someone from your guild die against a strong opponent or finishing him off to save your guild even though you aren't really apart of it? I'm not denying that he said that, but that is not the sole reason. He obviously couldn't defeat Hades. That speech he gave was just adding on to it.

Spoiler

If you want to say that Laxus is stronger than Natsu, then that's fine with me. But Natsu is still not the strongest in Fairy Tail during Tenrou Arc.



Once again, was that proven or was that just mere hype by the master of his own guild? What else could she say? That Laxus would one-shot him? Makarov is also wrong. Feats don't back-up hype. First, Makarov barely knew Jura except that he is a wizard saint. If there was anyone who would know best, it would be Natsu because he was affiliated with Jura during the Oración Seis and fought Gildarts many times. Things brings me to my next point. Second, Jura had trouble against Oración Seis in which they were clearly not on the same level as Gildarts.



Mirajane said that she doesn't know if they can win. Doesn't mean they won't. That is just words. It adds no evidence to whether Laxus is the strongest or not.



Laxus one-shotted Tempesta in Base Form. Nothing impressive considering every other member beat the Etherious Forms of those demons. Anybody can probably move even with Magical Barrier Particles in their body, but they'd be in critical condition.



Laxus one-shotting Ajeel is pure speculation. Never proven except hyped by fans. August never even said the attack would kill Ajeel. All he said is that it could do damage whether it'd be a lot or a little is unknown. We can come up with different theories all day like August was worried that Laxus' attack would do enough damage to Ajeel in which Team Natsu can finish him off.



I think I already argued over this topic so I guess we'll just disagree here.

Natsu in LFDM used his secret art and still couldn't take down etherious Tempesta, Tempesta in his base form was also wrecking Base Natsu and that's the Tempesta that Laxus one-shot.
Whether Hades met Gildarts or not is pure speculation, the fact is that Hades said that Laxus was "of Gildarts calibre" and Laxus performed far better than everyone else against Hades alone, Hades could easily have intel on Gildarts and his power. He also said that it was up to someone from fairy tail to take down Hades because it was their fight. You also can't deny the fact that Makarov said that Jura was as strong as Gildarts when he saw Jura's display of power, yet Laxus proceeded to beat Jura. That's right, Makarov saw Jura's display of strength and compared it to Gildarts, what more do you want?

People in this manga can clearly sense power level's as seen time and time again with the Spriggan 12, Mira was commenting on Jura's power level and comparing it to her's and Erza's to see whether or not they could take them and she was doubtful.

During the Battle for fairy tail, Laxus was clearly not even serious when he was fighting Mystogan, the guys was laughing the whole time and even panicked Mystogan and threw him for a loop by activating lightning magic around him. The only time he got serious was when Natsu told Erza to entrust everything to him, that's when he threw of his coat and took of his headphones and that's when he really started getting his hands dirty. I don't know if your reading the same Manga, for you to say that Laxus was "only just above Gajeel + Natsu" is BS, pure and simple, he was stomping the two of them casually and then he decided to cast fairy law and that was his undoing, because the spell takes so much magic power it clearly exhusted him.

Also where is your argument against Laxus one-shotting and defeating a Spriggan who had the advantageous match-up and when he was ill and dying throughout 90% of the fight?
That is the most impressive feat by a fairy tail wizard so far, go ahead and bring me a fairy tail wizard/ishgar mage who has done something more impressive than one-shotting a Spriggan while they are dying.

Literally all I can see in your posts is you downplaying Laxus over and over again, you haven't even tried to apply any of his feats and compare them to other characters. You just keep talking about how unimpressive he is even though he just one-shot a freaking Spriggan.

 

[iDooom]

I do believe that Laxus is one of the strongest characters in FT, but some of these arguments are just over the top. Laxus isn't and has never been tiers above everyone else in FT and he cannot fodderize half the Spriggans.

Natsu in LFDM used his secret art and still couldn't take down etherious Tempesta, Tempesta in his base form was also wrecking Base Natsu and that's the Tempesta that Laxus one-shot.

During the Battle for fairy tail, Laxus was clearly not even serious when he was fighting Mystogan, the guys was laughing the whole time and even panicked Mystogan and threw him for a loop by activating lightning magic around him. The only time he got serious was when Natsu told Erza to entrust everything to him, that's when he threw of his coat and took of his headphones and that's when he really started getting his hands dirty. I don't know if your reading the same Manga, for you to say that Laxus was "only just above Gajeel + Natsu" is BS, pure and simple, he was stomping the two of them casually and then he decided to cast fairy law and that was his undoing, because the spell takes so much magic power it clearly exhusted him.

Base/dual element Natsu and Gajeel were never close to being the strongest in FT from BoS to Tartaros. Of course Laxus is stronger than them. And neither Mystogan nor Erza fought seriously against Laxus in FF arc.

People in this manga can clearly sense power level's as seen time and time again with the Spriggan 12, Mira was commenting on Jura's power level and comparing it to her's and Erza's to see whether or not they could take them and she was doubtful.

Let's see. Mira knows nothing about Jura's power level. Mira knows nothing about Erza's power level. How credible is Mira's statement?

 

[reesestl]

People in this manga can clearly sense power level's as seen time and time again with the Spriggan 12, Mira was commenting on Jura's power level and comparing it to her's and Erza's to see whether or not they could take them and she was doubtful.

Hey, can u give the reference because I will read more around that comment and I can't remember where it was said in the SPringer context. The only time I remember was during GMGs when Mira says whether it is doubtful whether she and Erza together can defeat Jura, but of course that one shouldn't be taken seriously.Thanks.