Discussion Laxus Dreyar Thread

[Stormsfury]

So you actually think Laxus uses Jutsu Shiki as well and is able to cast it faster than Freed himself? Well, okay then.

He's faster then Freed and Freed taught him how to use Jutsu-Shiki so yes, he's faster and can cast it, so he can cast it faster than Freed.

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Hmmm no, there was nothing that directly stated that Laxus in fact drew it himself. I honestly don't believe Laxus would give him Freed's magic and make him BETTER than him at Freed. Apart from that, if that was the case, then Laxus surely wouldn't say something like 'Thank you Freed. No one can break your spell'. If not even Freed, who's a master at his magic and even impressed Makarov back then in Fantasia already and Jutsu shiki is said to be an advances magic as well, then I honestly don't believe that Laxus was able to write it ALL during the fight.

Something like this makes waaaaay more sense

Spoiler: Art

Just gonna leave this here.

 

[Selly]

He's faster then Freed and Freed taught him how to use Jutsu-Shiki so yes, he's faster and can cast it, so he can cast it faster than Freed.

How can we claim that he is in fact faster than Freed? And faster in writing? The writing must be extremely accurate on top of that PLUS jutsu shiki got stated to NOT be adapted for such a battle. So I don't believe this, honestly.


And Wahl's assumption does not have to mean Laxus in fact wrote it all by himself. Of course he thinks Laxus wrote it, what else should he assume?

 

[Pirate Queen]

He's faster then Freed and Freed taught him how to use Jutsu-Shiki so yes, he's faster and can cast it, so he can cast it faster than Freed.

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Just gonna leave this here.

That kind of implies Laxus just activated the spell. Maybe Freed prewrote it out and then Laxus just summoned if when he felt the time was right? Laxus is smart, i can see him planning ahead like that. He's op!

 

[Selly]

That kind of implies Laxus just activated the spell. Maybe Freed prewrote it out and then Laxus just summoned if when he felt the time was right? Laxus is smart, i can see him planning ahead like that. He's op!

I fully support this. We also know that Freed was one of the very few who knew of Laxus' illness. Thus he prewrote the spell, gave it to Laxus since apparently mages are able to 'lend' others their powers in some cases, and showed him how to activate it with one last rune.

 

[Stormsfury]

That kind of implies Laxus just activated the spell. Maybe Freed prewrote it out and then Laxus just summoned if when he felt the time was right? Laxus is smart, i can see him planning ahead like that. He's op!

That is just assumptions, the manga says that he conjured it during the battle, there is nothing indicating that you can "pre-write" a jutsu-shiki.

 

[Pirate Queen]

That is just assumptions, the manga says that he conjured it during the battle, there is nothing indicating that you can "pre-write" a jutsu-shiki.

Okay... it was just a thought and it actually makes sense. If he conjured it, then conjured means summon. Wahl didn't say that Laxus WROTE, but CONJURED the jutsu-shiki which actually implies it was premade... but im sure it doesnt matter either way. I think maybe it bother people because they expected Laxus to solo without any outside source, but it shouldnt bother them. He won the fight, he had help it was a great Fairy Tail win. Let's all take it like that!

 

[Loke]

So you actually think Laxus uses Jutsu Shiki as well and is able to cast it faster than Freed himself? Well, okay then.

He did it on panel. If you don't like it then that's not my problem.

 

[Stormsfury]

Okay... it was just a thought and it actually makes sense. If he conjured it, then conjured means summon. Wahl didn't say that Laxus WROTE, but CONJURED the jutsu-shiki which actually implies it was premade... but im sure it doesnt matter either way. I think maybe it bother people because they expected Laxus to solo without any outside source, but it shouldnt bother them. He won the fight, he had help it was a great Fairy Tail win. Let's all take it like that!

And here is Laxus writing the Jutsu-Shiki........

I'm now wondering what your next argument is going to be..........

 

[Pirate Queen]

And here is Laxus writing the Jutsu-Shiki........

I'm now wondering what your next argument is going to be..........

I wasnt arguing with you... i was just trying to make sense of it cause ive obviously havent seen that panel. At no point was i arguing though, your acting like im trying to prove you wrong lol

 

[Crimson Ice]

Are people still arguing this? LOL. Besides that do you think Laxus has any of new moves other than red lightning.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Are people still arguing this? LOL. Besides that do you think Laxus has any of new moves other than red lightning.

If he had a Red Lightning Mode???? FUUUCCCCKKK THAT WOULD BE SOOO SICK

 

[Pirate Queen]

He showed he had red lightning already....

Obviously lol! I mean like a full on mode where he is encased in red lightening 100% of the time, not just an attack but a full on mode like BDKM, dragon force, or something like that

 

[Tinitus]

Obviously lol! I mean like a full on mode where he is encased in red lightening 100% of the time, not just an attack but a full on mode like BDKM, dragon force, or something like that

Laxus doesn't need any powerups or modes, he's strong as it is. There's a reason why Mashima continues to nerf him. Fully Healthy Laxus is a powerhouse.

 

[Selly]

And here is Laxus writing the Jutsu-Shiki........

I'm now wondering what your next argument is going to be..........

And I stated in an earlier post already that he wrote the LAST rune. We see this in this panel. This would make complete sense. An entire jutsu shiki though? No. We see him write a little part, and that may indicate that he completed Freed's spell. Like Laxus' said, 'Freed, no one can break your spell'.

 

[Stormsfury]

And I stated in an earlier post already that he wrote the LAST rune. We see this in this panel. This would make complete sense. An entire jutsu shiki though? No. We see him write a little part, and that may indicate that he completed Freed's spell. Like Laxus' said, 'Freed, no one can break your spell'.

He said "no one can break your spell" to credit Freed's magic, both the panels I've provided already prove Laxus was drawing it in the midst of battle as Wahl stated, Laxus simply finished drawing it and activated it before Wahl could fire his etherion cannon. There has been nothing shown so far that would support the claim that Freed can pre-write a jutsu-shiki and hand it to someone, if that was the case then why on earth would Laxus need to write the last rune in the first place?
He would just activate it right off the bat and force Wahl to heal him straight away, but he needed time to draw it while in combat and that's why he talk so much damage.

 

[Linali]

Wow, I came here to read posts about Laxus, but I've got fascinating talk about Jellal insted, cool
Now seriously guys, better move to Jellal's thread with this discussion before moderators will find it out

About Freed's rune - I agree with Stormsfury, it was Laxus' work. Nothing really indicated Freed has helped him in any way and I'm pretty sure, that considering the bonds those two are sharing, Mashima would show it. Moreover, during S-class mage trial on Tenrou Island, Freed draw one of his barrier on the ship, but Evergreen was able to rewrite it, so she and Elfman could escape. If she was able to do it, then why Laxus couldn't?

 

[Selly]

He said "no one can break your spell" to credit Freed's magic, both the panels I've provided already prove Laxus was drawing it in the midst of battle as Wahl stated, Laxus simply finished drawing it and activated it before Wahl could fire his etherion cannon. There has been nothing shown so far that would support the claim that Freed can pre-write a jutsu-shiki and hand it to someone, if that was the case then why on earth would Laxus need to write the last rune in the first place?
He would just activate it right off the bat and force Wahl to heal him straight away, but he needed time to draw it while in combat and that's why he talk so much damage.

No, he would need to write the last rune obviously because Freed couldn't finish the spell right away. If he finished the spell already right then and there where he handed it to Laxus and they forget out the plan together, then it would have been acitvated right there and not when Laxus actually needed it. That's obviously why he needed to write the last rune.

Because if he is able to write Jutus shiki midst-battle, then Freed is too. And lmao since Freed is a master at this magic and knows many many more variations, I'd like to see him easily take out many many mages, no matter how high ranked. Bc this is exactly what he would be capable of if Jutsu Shiki was adopted for writing it in the middle of a battle.

If it was Laxus who write it then he wouldn't say that it's one of Freed's spells. It's more likely he would have mentioned something about having been taught this spell.


Also, you guys are way too fast too compare things that cannot be compared. During the S-Class exams Freed MADE it an EASY spell on purpose, one he probably knew Ever and Levy could rewrite. He stated that.
Now let's take the spells during Fantasia. There it looks waaaay different already; Levy needed tons of books plus pen and paper to figure out ONE of the many enchantments Freed wrote.

On top of that, writing and rewriting is something entirely different, too.


It would probably be good if we got more clarification on this matter. Just don't give the entire credit to Laxus or state stuff like 'umm yea Laxus is maybe better than Freed?', because really that'd be ridiculous. . Freed definitely helped, even if it really turns out that Laxus drew this one single spell by himself.

 

[Stormsfury]

No, he would need to write the last rune obviously because Freed couldn't finish the spell right away. If he finished the spell already right then and there where he handed it to Laxus and they forget out the plan together, then it would have been acitvated right there and not when Laxus actually needed it. That's obviously why he needed to write the last rune.

Because if he is able to write Jutus shiki midst-battle, then Freed is too. And lmao since Freed is a master at this magic and knows many many more variations, I'd like to see him easily take out many many mages, no matter how high ranked. Bc this is exactly what he would be capable of if Jutsu Shiki was adopted for writing it in the middle of a battle.

If it was Laxus who write it then he wouldn't say that it's one of Freed's spells. It's more likely he would have mentioned something about having been taught this spell.


Also, you guys are way too fast too compare things that cannot be compared. During the S-Class exams Freed MADE it an EASY spell on purpose, one he probably knew Ever and Levy could rewrite. He stated that.
Now let's take the spells during Fantasia. There it looks waaaay different already; Levy needed tons of books plus pen and paper to figure out ONE of the many enchantments Freed wrote.

On top of that, writing and rewriting is something entirely different, too.


It would probably be good if we got more clarification on this matter. Just don't give the entire credit to Laxus or state stuff like 'umm yea Laxus is maybe better than Freed?', because really that'd be ridiculous. . Freed definitely helped, even if it really turns out that Laxus drew this one single spell by himself.

Ok. I have provided proof that Laxus wrote the Jutsu-Shiki mid battle and activated it. Wahl said so and we had a panel of him writing the rune.
Do you have proof that Freed planned this out, wrote the rune and Laxus only needed to write the final piece? Cause that's all I'm going to ask for now.
Do you even have any evidence that Freed can pre-write a rune?

 

[Linali]

@Selly, I can agree, that Freed has taught Laxus this one spell and because they were team for many years and Laxus was observing Freed, he was able to learn it without much problem. But you sound like Freed has written this spell in Magnolia and then miraculously teleported it to Laxus' place and that's something, I can't agree with. At least until Mashima confirms it, but for now any single panel in manga indicated, that it was Freed who wrote this runes. One important thing, I don't know on which translation are you basing, but in raws Laxus said: 'No one can break your jutsu shiki so easily", so he's not talking about Freed's one spell, but his magic as all.

During Fantasia Levy needed tones of books to re-write Freed's jutsu-shiki, because it was new magic for her. During S-class exam it was easier for her because she already knew this kind of magic. And Freed never said it was easy spell, only there was some time needed until it disappeared.

I can really understand, that Freed is underrated character in FT, I also like him very much and I wish he was more relevant to the plot, but let's not exaggerate, he has his role to play and I'm pretty sure he will show up again in the near future

 

[Selly]

Ok. I have provided proof that Laxus wrote the Jutsu-Shiki mid battle and activated it. Wahl said so and we had a panel of him writing the rune.
Do you have proof that Freed planned this out, wrote the rune and Laxus only needed to write the final piece? Cause that's all I'm going to ask for now.
Do you even have any evidence that Freed can pre-write a rune?

You didn't provide that Laxus wrote the entire Jutus Shiki mid-battle. All we have is one panel of hime writing ONE single rune. It'd be pretty hard to imagine him doing that, like previously stated. It's a fact that Jutsu shiki is not adapted for something like that and while re-reading the chapter I noticed that Laxus gets punched around or has his hands elsewhere the entire time. Apart from that we've never seen Jutsu shiki being written in the air, and Laxus is about never on the ground where he could have probably written the Jutsu shiki for the rune circle.

And no, until now we have no proof that a Jutsu Shiki can be prewritten but we've seen cases of mages giving their magic to someone else. Like how Laxus gave Natsu his lightning, so it would just be logical that it works with Freed's magic too.

@Selly, I can agree, that Freed has taught Laxus this one spell and because they were team for many years and Laxus was observing Freed, he was able to learn it without much problem. But you sound like Freed has written this spell in Magnolia and then miraculously teleported it to Laxus' place and that's something, I can't agree with. At least until Mashima confirms it, but for now any single panel in manga indicated, that it was Freed who wrote this runes. One important thing, I don't know on which translation are you basing, but in raws Laxus said: 'No one can break your jutsu shiki so easily", so he's not talking about Freed's one spell, but his magic as all.

During Fantasia Levy needed tones of books to re-write Freed's jutsu-shiki, because it was new magic for her. During S-class exam it was easier for her because she already knew this kind of magic. And Freed never said it was easy spell, only there was some time needed until it disappeared.

I can really understand, that Freed is underrated character in FT, I also like him very much and I wish he was more relevant to the plot, but let's not exaggerate, he has his role to play and I'm pretty sure he will show up again in the near future

Oh no no! I didn't want to say that he teleported it to where Laxus was! That's something I couldn't imagine either. I meant that he prewrote it when they both were still at the guild. I think I've posted this here before but something along these lines

Spoiler: Art

could work. Furthermore there are these panels:

Spoiler: Manga

Laxus is clearly referring to Freed's magic, you are right. But his established spells in particular. Also the second panel would confirm my theory and this possibility further.

As for Levy; no she knew Jutsu Shiki at this point already. She has a basic knowledge of runes but Jutsu shiki is more than simple rune writing. It's codes, bluffs, riddles and rules. Of course Freed put more effort into the traps during Fantasia since it was a p serious thing. Looking at the S-Class exams however he clearly states that he wants it to be a fair challenge. Bixlow asks him something like 'why don't you just trap them in there forever?' and Freed replies with 'then it wouldn't be a test anymore'. Or something along these lines, I don't remember the exact wording right now.

Either way, I would also be fine with Freed having taught Laxus this one spell. I love their bond so Freed teaching him would be great.

And yes, Freed definitely needs more appreciation. All the Raijinshuu do! They are some pretty powerful and unique mages but unfortunately many people tend to forget about that easily due to them not getting much panel/fighting time.