Discussion Laxus Dreyar Thread

[Linali]

Ok, first at all: @XXEliteXXAceXX, @Laxus chan-yo, @Crimson Ice, here is thread about Jellal. Please move there if you want to continue your discussion, because it's really annoying, when I have to scroll through 7 post about Jellal to read one post about Laxus and just for reminding: we're in LAXUS' thread. Thank you

@Selly, as I thought, it's MP and as I really appreaciate other people's work, I must admit, that they sometimes treat raws very freely. Laxus used word (フリード) 直伝　（(フリード) じきでん　(Freed) jikiden) which means direct transmission, handing down. Thanks to you (really thank you, I've learnt something new ) I've tried to search something more about use of this word and I found the definition: "Handing down a secret or secret art from teacher to disciple", which may indicate, that Laxus really learned it from Freed I've found it here, there's also english translation if you don't believe me

The question is when did he learned it? Freed was still usconscious when Laxus moved to the south, didn't he? Freed knew about particles, so may it be they prepared for something like this? Lucky bastards

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And yes, Freed definitely needs more appreciation. All the Raijinshuu do! They are some pretty powerful and unique mages but unfortunately many people tend to forget about that easily due to them not getting much panel/fighting time.

I want to see more Bicslow teasing Ever and Elfman

 

[Crimson Ice]

Again... What does Kagura reacting to Simon have anything to do with Jellal? I already stated that Kagura is emotionally unstable. She hasn't seen her brother for a long time because he was killed. Jellal, on the other hand, understood clearly that this Simon wasn't real. Meaning, it won't affect him. I don't care what Neinhart says. Even if he says he can't kill him twice, this guy was at death's door. He was scared of Jellal's power and attacks that he would have said anything to calm himself or prevent Jellal from using such an attack. This guy is one of the weakest Spriggan. His stats are all low and he is pretty much a fodder compared to High-Tier Spriggans.

Besides, I already said that Jellal stopped because Kagura was right behind, watching him. He has no problem to continue with his attack but he thought Kagura did until we saw her kill Simon herself. At that point, he knew that she was okay with him using the attack and he did. So he did solo Neinhart. Simple as that.



Why would he apologize? You said he feels guilty. Anybody who possesses such guilt or remorse would seize the chance to apologize at a moments notice. The fact that he didn't tells us that he doesn't bother conversing with an illusion which is proven when he tells Kagura that Simon isn't "real". Kagura didn't even hit Neinhart once... And killing Simon was to give Jellal the signal that she has overcame her emotions, allowing Jellal to use Grand Chariot. So he did solo Neinhart whether you like or not.



Guilt towards Simon? Yes. Towards Neinhart (his creation)? No.



This is exactly what I'm saying. I don't even know why you argue with me when this is what I'm trying to tell you. Not everyone acts like Kagura. All 3 of them (Jellal, Erza, and Kagura) knew Simon died by Jellal's hands. Kagura was emotionally unstable so that is why she faltered. Erza overcame the Historia at the end of the fight. But Jellal knew from the beginning that all the "corpses" they saw were Neinhart's doing. He was easily able to attack them without any regrets.



When did I say it was because of Ultear? Read the part that you quoted me again. I said he resolved his issues with Ultear but not Ur. That has nothing to do with him wanting to take down E.N.D. And yes, everytime he sees a demon, he would remember his past. The whole Tartaros Arc, we could see that he was sort of in a depression. He was not once happy, actually he was gloomy. The past always affects him. He is sentimental. Nothing was sorted out with Doriate. All the encounter did was make him want to kill demons. And he sorted stuff out with Ultear for personal reasons (connection to Ur) not the demons...



Yes, I know what hype is and I did understand the context. You know what I was trying to say. Evidence that is backed up by what is done in the manga (feats) and evidence that is backed up by what is said in the manga (hype). I am just shortening it to lessen the amount of words you have to read.

Neinhart doesn't know anything about Jellal. That was the first time they met. Do you think Neinhart knows Jellal better than himself then? Of course, what Jellal says is more reliable than what Neinhart says.



Okay, well if we talked about this fight already, then there is no point in bringing it up. I still disagree with you on this so you can think whatever you want but I'm still sticking to my opinion.

Simply knowing that Simon wasn't real doesn't mean it can't affect him. You don't care what Neinhart says because it against your argument, and now you're saying bullshit. Neinhart was never scared of Jellal the whole time he was scared of Erza because of her connection to Irene.


No he stopped because he was hesitant to kill Simon again, while he did not SOLO Neinhart because he recived help from Kagura, doesn't matter why she helped but she did so he didn't solo Neinhart.


No Erza never overcame the Simon Historia, Erzz overcame the other Historisa attacking her, simplly knowing that he's not real once again doesn't mean you can't be affected. I feel like a broken record.


Why would he apologize? He's in the middle of the battle and he got taken out as soon as the fight started and came back after Simon had gone. Erza has expressed her guilt over Simon's death but didn't rush to apologize.

He had solved his problem with Ur. The only time he saw a demon and freaked out was when he was turned into a kid again and when Silver said he Deliora, he had gotten over the Ur problem, the Doriate fight sorted it out and the only thing that threw him off was when he though Delliora was alive again.

You clearly don't get the context nor are helping anyone but shortening the words. While nothing Jellal said clashes with Neinhart saying he felt guilty. But yeah I don't care, don't change you opinion because when you're wrong you'd never admit it.


Last post about Jellal.

 

[SirSamuel016]

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[Kiki]

Okay finally my thoughts on this whole Laxus/Freed/Jutsu shiki thing, I have always seen it as these following sentences:

1. Jutsu shiki is not merely Freed's own magic. Other wizards such as people from Magic Council can perform Jutsu shiki. Freed's special magic is his right eye and Dark Ecriture.

Spoiler: Magic Council people can perform Jutsu shiki

2. If I remember correctly, this kind of circumstance was never stated before: A jutsu shiki user pre-writes a jutsu shiki and applies it on someone let's say his/her name is B. Then B in someplace and at sometime completes it. In my humble opinion, if you want to utilize a jutsu shiki, it must be performed on the spot.

3. I wouldn't be surprised if some people who are ex-members of Magic Council such as Eve, Lily, Gajeel, Levy, Mest, Yajima, and other members of Raijinshuu such as Bickslow and Evergreen, can perform a jutsu shiki. Evergreen and Levy were even seen being able to re-write Freed's jutsu shiki back in Sirius Island arc.

4. In my humble opinion, Laxus saying that he got the jutsu shiki from Freed or something along that line (due to differences in some versions) means that he can perform it because Freed taught him how to perform it. Just like this manga's purpose from the beginning, this emphasizes the bond between Laxus and Raijinshuu have increased more and more.

5. I am saying that Laxus now can perform basic jutsu shiki, not as advanced as Freed though. Or maybe he can only perform one jutsu shiki spell, he did it in Red Lightning chapter.

6. Laxus wasn't in the jutsu shiki he conjured. Take a look at the red circle I made on this picture.

Spoiler: Laxus was not in the jutsu shiki he conjured

So I think, Laxus at that time conjured a very basic jutsu shiki that can be done with relatively ease, even for an amateur like him. He did that in order to deceive Wahl, considering that Wahl in Assault Mode had his personality error. Laxus was quick thinking, he used this chance to make Wahl cure his illness.

Spoiler: Wahl's personality in his Assault mode

Laxus entered his own jutsu shiki and Wahl erased his whole jutsu shiki as well as the MBP inside his body.

Spoiler: Laxus entering his own jutsu shiki and Wahl erasing it

So my conclusion is, that jutsu shiki of Laxus was his own, no intervention from Freed. But still, he is able to do it because Freed taught him.

This will probably be my last opinion on this thing. Peace

 

[Stormsfury]

Okay finally my thoughts on this whole Laxus/Freed/Jutsu shiki thing, I have always seen it as these following sentences:

1. Jutsu shiki is not merely Freed's own magic. Other wizards such as people from Magic Council can perform Jutsu shiki. Freed's special magic is his right eye and Dark Ecriture.

Spoiler: Magic Council people can perform Jutsu shiki

2. If I remember correctly, this kind of circumstance was never stated before: A jutsu shiki user pre-writes a jutsu shiki and applies it on someone let's say his/her name is B. Then B in someplace and at sometime completes it. In my humble opinion, if you want to utilize a jutsu shiki, it must be performed on the spot.

3. I wouldn't be surprised if some people who are ex-members of Magic Council such as Eve, Lily, Gajeel, Levy, Mest, Yajima, and other members of Raijinshuu such as Bickslow and Evergreen, can perform a jutsu shiki. Evergreen and Levy were even seen being able to re-write Freed's jutsu shiki back in Sirius Island arc.

4. In my humble opinion, Laxus saying that he got the jutsu shiki from Freed or something along that line (due to differences in some versions) means that he can perform it because Freed taught him how to perform it. Just like this manga's purpose from the beginning, this emphasizes the bond between Laxus and Raijinshuu have increased more and more.

5. I am saying that Laxus now can perform basic jutsu shiki, not as advanced as Freed though. Or maybe he can only perform one jutsu shiki spell, he did it in Red Lightning chapter.

6. Laxus wasn't in the jutsu shiki he conjured. Take a look at the red circle I made on this picture.

Spoiler: Laxus was not in the jutsu shiki he conjured

So I think, Laxus at that time conjured a very basic jutsu shiki that can be done with relatively ease, even for an amateur like him. He did that in order to deceive Wahl, considering that Wahl in Assault Mode had his personality error. Laxus was quick thinking, he used this chance to make Wahl cure his illness.

Spoiler: Wahl's personality in his Assault mode

Laxus entered his own jutsu shiki and Wahl erased his whole jutsu shiki as well as the MBP inside his body.

Spoiler: Laxus entering his own jutsu shiki and Wahl erasing it

So my conclusion is, that jutsu shiki of Laxus was his own, no intervention from Freed. But still, he is able to do it because Freed taught him.

This will probably be my last opinion on this thing. Peace

Well said. Thank You.
The fact that we saw him drawing the symbols just clarifies it.

 

[Brandish μ]

i think red lightning is one of his best spells i mean
1) the definition of it alone speaks high tier, a lightning that transcends lightning.
2) the flashback before the big spell trope
3)he was only able to utilize it after he was cured of the magicbarrier particles that was corrupting his magic, and after he was empowered by wahl's attack.

I don't disagree. I think RL is possibly his best spell. Or at least among his best spells.

As for whether Laxus could use it without MBP's or not... I'm not sure. I assume Laxus can use it with or without them. If Laxus needed to be rid of anti-magic particles to use RL, then that would imply he's stronger now than he was before being cured. I'm not sure that's the case.

Dragon Slayer magic is quite powerful though. There's a difference between his lightning magic (like Raging Bolt) and something like Roaring Thunder. It might be enough to be equivalent to RL, or better. Maybe Laxus can use RL DS magic haha

 

[Crimson Ice]

Jellal wasn't sweating, he just came out of the water.

Jellal was dry prior to casting the GC he was sweating.

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Jellal max power high-tier spell(area where jellal's ceiling lies) >>> Jellal max power mid-tier spell = Laxus' max power high tier spell(this is the area where laxus' ceiling aka maximum capability lies).

HA, where did you pull this from? Laxus resorted to red lightning due to it being the only move that worked on Wahl, saying that Red lightning=GC simply because of Wahl is laughable. It was implied a casual from attack would have badly wrecked Ajeel or even killed him, stop it.

we're not even factoring the fact that laxus gave more of what he has in his RL than jellal in his GC considering next chapter after their respective fights jellal was pursuing the strugglers in the town, while laxus was forced to sit down and have a rest even knowing the fact that there's still tons of enemies to take care off.

This was because Laxus got wrecked in his fight purely because of his illness, Laxus still had enough energy to fight and beat enemies.

you can clearly see from the panel that's 2nd to the last that laxus hit Wahl with a fully formed red lightning there's not a single regular lightning to be seen in that panel, and yet wahl was still fine, and was even commenting the nature of the attack, and was only able to truely beat wahl after using more power in the RL hence he was shouting "O-oooooh". wahl never said WTF if he hits me seriously with RL im dead, he was just analyzing the nature of the attack, because his "immunity's not working.

Wahl was fine? That's why he started to sweat bullets right? Because everything was fine? While even then that's irrelevant because the move still one shotted him.

i'm not even denying that jellal powered up his GC.he did powered it up, but so did laxus the difference is that, laxus' was a high-tier spell while jellal used a mid-tier spell, and the fact that in laxus' case we've seen that his regular RL wasn't enough to take down a spriggan like what jelllal did. that jellal's mid tier = laxus' high tier, and that's a fact that you have to accept.

Laxus didn't use a high-tier attack because his other move weren't strong enough he used it because all his other moves were ineffective due to lightning immunity. Again saying Red Lightning=GC simply because of that is laughable..

seriously did you even read my comment? try to comprehend it pls, or are you doing it on purpose because you can't find a counterarguement of those facts.

 

[Skibbie]

Jellal was dry prior to casting the GC he was sweating.

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HA, where did you pull this from? Laxus resorted to red lightning due to it being the only move that worked on Wahl, saying that Red lightning=GC simply because of Wahl is laughable. It was implied a casual from attack would have badly fucked up Ajeel or even killed him, stop it.



This was because Laxus got fucked up in his fight purely because of his illness, Laxus still had enough energy to fight and beat enemies.



Wahl was fine? That's why he started to sweat bullets right? Because everything was fine? While even then that's irrelevant because the move still one shotted him.



Laxus didn't use a high-tier attack because his other move weren't strong enough he used it because all his other moves were ineffective due to lightning immunity. Again saying Red Lightning=GC simply because of that is laughable..

did you even read what i've posted? try to understand it please. you can clearly see the red lightning connect to wahl, and wahl was still fine even commenting of its properties, the only time Red Lighting was able to defeat wahl was when he powered it up hence the OOOOOOOHH + flashback scene.

to take down a spriggan Laxus needed max powered high tier attack(consiering a mid powered high tier attack did nothing to wahl), while jellal only needed max powered mid tier attack.

also where did you get that idea that Ajeel was gonna be taken down by the attack? the whole basis of that implication is his comment at the very beginning which later on in that same chapter he also implied it wouldn't.

gosh, he was 100% cured by wahl, and was empowered.

sweating doesn't necessarily mean being afraid, instead a cold sweat means STRONG emotions, and being afraid isn't the only thing. there's also anger which was clearly seen of wahl when he was shouting at laxus cursing him saying "damn youuuu!!!" in a jagged, bolded bubble text.

i didn't say any otherr spell would work, the problem is the fact that laxus' high tier spell Red Lightnign wasn't enough considering Wahl was initially fine after being hit by it, even having the time to analyze it's properties, and was only able to be truly beaten when laxus took it up a notch hence the "O-ooooh".

 

[Ebony Maw]

also where did you get that idea that Ajeel was gonna be taken down by the attack? the whole basis of that implication is his comment at the very beginning, and later on in that same chapter he also implied it wouldn't.

Not taking a side here but the fact that August stopped the attack and said "it would be a shame to lose a comrade" hints that it would have severely injured him if not out right killing him. Plus Ajeel crapped himself right before the nuke hit.

 

[Skibbie]

Not taking a side here but the fact that August stopped the attack and said "it would be a shame to lose a comrade" hints that it would have severely injured him if not out right killing him. Plus Ajeel crapped himself right before the nuke hit.

it could also be read as august ridiculing ajeel due to his egotistic personality. why would Ajeel even go in head first to attack FT knowing that there's a guy in there who can pretty much 1 shot him with a wave of a hand? specially knowing August and the god tiers of alvarez are nowhere near Magnolia

 

[Demon Hunter]

Laxus DIDN'T HIT WAHL WITH RED LIGHTNING. he ran through him with it. you can clearly see in the first picture that he hit him with a regular Lightning. that Lighting didn't do anything to him. at this moment, Wahl was saying it was usele - and stopped right there because at the same time Lightning was getting a different color. he didn't immediately one shot him because his Lightning was getting stronger and its much harder to ran through someone. if I put a fist on your chest and slowing pushing it you wouldn't feel as much as pain nor will you took big damage compared to when I hit you with a fist. not even close. Skibbie, no offense, but you need to check your eyes.

Spoiler: Laxus first hits Wahl with regular Lightning

Laxus wasn't empowered at this moment. in fact, he was nowhere near his prime. this are his hits he did when he was "empowered"

Spoiler: Laxus when he was hit by Lightning

this is the moment where Laxus almost died and he basically didn't have any strength left

Spoiler: Laxus dying after hitting Wahl with his supposedly empowerment

Laxus still has RL as his aura and he can most likely used it as he wishes it, maybe even with his DS magic which is stronger than his base lightning

Spoiler: Laxus has RL in his aura

he also used RL when he was heavily injured and when his organs were still screwed. his MBP are gone but his organs are not healed to 100%.

also, Laxus could have potentially killed Ajeel with his nuke. that was Laxus who was not even serious, not even close. he even had MBP inside his body.

Spoiler: Laxus' nuke against Ajeel

I'll be fair so I will say that Laxus' nuke would at least give Ajeel moderate to high damage. also, Neinhart has zero durability feats while Wahl at least has some durability feats. Ajeel > Wahl >>>>>> Neinhart

and yes, Jellal was a bit exhausted after his GC. also, GC is a high tier spell. there are stronger spells but GC is still a high tier spell.

this is seriously my last post about this discussion. the downplaying here is ridiculous.

 

[Crimson Ice]

did you even read what i've posted? try to understand it please. you can clearly see the red lightning connect to wahl, and wahl was still fine even commenting of its properties, the only time Red Lighting was able to defeat wahl was when he powered it up hence the OOOOOOOHH + flashback scene.

to take down a spriggan Laxus needed max powered high tier attack(consiering a mid powered high tier attack did nothing to wahl), while jellal only needed max powered mid tier attack.

also where did you get that idea that Ajeel was gonna be taken down by the attack? the whole basis of that implication is his comment at the very beginning which later on in that same chapter he also implied it wouldn't.

gosh, he was 100% cured by wahl, and was empowered.

sweating doesn't necessarily mean being afraid, instead a cold sweat means STRONG emotions, and being afraid isn't the only thing. there's also anger which was clearly seen of wahl when he was shouting at laxus cursing him saying "damn youuuu!!!" in a jagged, bolded bubble text.

i didn't say any otherr spell would work, the problem is the fact that laxus' high tier spell Red Lightnign wasn't enough considering Wahl was initially fine after being hit by it, even having the time to analyze it's properties, and was only able to be truly beaten when laxus took it up a notch hence the "O-ooooh".

Wahl was fine? When it initially connected it wasn't red the second it started to turn red full was the second Wahl started to sweat. If Wahl was fine why did sweat start to drip? Nothing implied Laxus' powered up he simply pushed harder on Wahl that's it.


Laxus only need that attack because that was the only attack he didn't resist. Laxus nearly took down a Spirggan with a normal arm swipe.



Where did I get the implication? Ajeel himself shits on him after the move was blocked and August himself implies he would die, you can say Ajeel denied it but it can be just written off as pure arrogance because even after Laxus never fucked him up he still wants to invade by himself.


And? That means he was cured before the red lightning and wouldn't randomly get empowered while using it.

Irrelevant, even if Wahl was seemingly unaffected there would be no means to freak out which he only did after the lightning turned red.

Laxus' move was enough seeing how it was the one that took him down, it didn't immediately rip through him because he gradually turned red.

 

[SunYoru]

By the end of this arc, I'm hoping to see Laxus go DF.

 

[Stormsfury]

By the end of this arc, I'm hoping to see Laxus go DF.

Too stronk, Hiro won't allow it.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

By the end of this arc, I'm hoping to see Laxus go DF.

Lol, the Jellal fans would riot.

That is something you shouldn't get your hopes up on atm. Right now you should be hoping that Hiro lets Laxus fight with the 1st and 3rd generation of dragon slayers vs Acnologia. If that happens then Laxus showing DF isn't that farfetched (and it would be a perfect moment against someone like Acnologia).

 

[Laxus chan-yo]

By the end of this arc, I'm hoping to see Laxus go DF.

Bruh problem with that is Mashima is saving Acnologia for Natsu. We don't want him pissing his pants from being on the same planet as DF Laxus before that final fight because such a thing would ruin his final villain-hype.

 

[Static]

Bruh problem with that is Mashima is saving Acnologia for Natsu. We don't want him pissing his pants from being on the same planet as DF Laxus before that final fight because such a thing would ruin his final villain-hype.

DF Laxus and Acnologia on the same level? I hope you're kidding :v

Everyone used to say Acnologia's hype was downgraded in GMG and Tartaros because it was stated Zeref and END >= Acnologia but that didn't happen. He is still the big badass dragonslayer we know :P

But yeah I agree, DF Laxus would be very strong. Damn Dragonslayers always ending up OP

 

[SunYoru]

Lol, the Jellal fans would riot.

That is something you shouldn't get your hopes up on atm. Right now you should be hoping that Hiro lets Laxus fight with the 1st and 3rd generation of dragon slayers vs Acnologia. If that happens then Laxus showing DF isn't that farfetched (and it would be a perfect moment against someone like Acnologia).

Dude, that's what I'm hoping, man. I've been thinking about this since knowing Acnologia was the Dragon King. This would be the perfect opportunity for 2nd gen DS to showcase DF. I think it's bound to happen.

Too stronk, Hiro won't allow it.

He should. I don't have a problem with with Natsu being the strongest character by the end of the series, but that shouldn't get in the way of Laxus going DF. Hiro has never disappointed me when it comes with DF. I'd expect him not to disappoint me with DF Laxus.

Bruh problem with that is Mashima is saving Acnologia for Natsu. We don't want him pissing his pants from being on the same planet as DF Laxus before that final fight because such a thing would ruin his final villain-hype.

There's been few series where the main character didn't end up being the strongest character, so there is nothing wrong with a character being stronger than the main character in Fairy Tail, in my opinion.

 

[Brandish μ]

DF Laxus, if there is such a possibility, could be a full blown dragon. He doesn't have the antibodies so there's that potential.

In order of likelihood from most likely to least (my opinion)

1. He won't get DF (99%)
2. He will get DF and it'd be like Gajeel's/Wendy's
3. He will get DF and he'll become a dragon... before getting killed by Acnologia.

I don't think there's any reason he won't get DF from what we know about DS magic. But I think for plot purposes it's easier to right it off that 2nd gen slayers can't get DF.

Different topic, I wonder if Red Lightning will be applicable to DS magic?

 

[Kiki]

Laxus Dreyar...is mine and mine alone one of my favorite character. Things I want to see from him before this series ends for good are.... Dragon Force, assisting five dragon slayers from the past to take down Acnologia, and getting more panel with Mirajane Strauss or even marrying her... even if those wishes may be unlikely................................................................................................................................