Discussion Lucy's Star Dress

[Livinbreathineatin]

Brandish was never intentionally knocked out on purpose. She had no reason to get knocked out. even though it's a comic situation, she's always knocked out by a blow from someone weaker than her because he couldn't see the kanna blow coming like the bull and the Geminis couldn't see the one from Skullion and Madmol. It's not just brandish, Grey erza has a manga moment that they get knocked out in one go.

If you consider that the scene or brandish gets knocked out by kanna as a comic and not as a power scene as you say with taurus and gemini. Then, for taurus we can consider it as comic too because it is beaten in one shot often in the manga that his character lambda or not. Same for The scene with leo and virgo attached is a comic scene so it means no power scale between loki and elfman and madmole is distorted too. Or we can consider that Mashima had taurus and gemini knocked out because Lucy had found the right plan to beat mirajane and elfman. But he felt that some people went to complain if lucy was winning intelligently and no one would criticize that mirajane is demeaning so he interrupted the fight. Kind of like the fight of erza or laxus or people complain because erza lasted longer than they would have liked to see.

Or we can consider that Mashima had the Taurus and Gemini eliminated because Lucy had found the right plan to beat Mirajane and Elfman. But he thought that some people would complain if Lucy won intelligently and that these people would criticize the fact that Mirajane was humiliating, so he interrupted the fight. A bit like the erza or laxus fight where people complain because erza lasted longer than they would have liked.

if you genuinely believe that Cana can knock out a Spriggan with no effort because it was off guard then I don’t know what to tell you. It was a literal joke.You’re also acting like Skullion and Madmole need to catch Taurus and Gemini off guard to one shot them? Because lol.

Also no, there’s nothing comedic about Leo, Taurus, Virgo and Gemini being defeated in one battle. Just characters losing against stronger opponents because they’re weak.

But I’m impressed. 4 of Lucy’s spirits were defeated with no difficulty and you act like that’s not a big deal.

What are you talking about? Taurus got one shotted by a slap from Madmole.... how was he supposed to beat Elfman?! Like???? Are you just ignoring the fact Lucy’s spirits are weak like they have “feats” of losing that support this.

 

[yutu]

So their people who don't have the same opinion as you on a subject are ridiculous nonsense. You say Lucy's fan is ridiculous, I can tell you that, too. If you've read the manga kanna used no magic to stun brandish just a blow to the head and she was knocked out. To me, comedy is only when it suits you. Yes, Taurus was defeated by Madmole with a surprise retreat movement as many other characters could have been eliminated, but you don't want to see that. Even if Taurus lost to Madmole (by a blow to the head), it doesn't mean he would have lost to Elfman. Just because one person can lose to individual A does not mean that he or she will lose to the other person who beat A.


In any case, this discussion will be sterile. You have your opinion, I have mine.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

So their people who don't have the same opinion as you on a subject are ridiculous nonsense. You say Lucy's fan is ridiculous, I can tell you that, too. If you've read the manga kanna used no magic to stun brandish just a blow to the head and she was knocked out. To me, comedy is only when it suits you. Yes, Taurus was defeated by Madmole with a surprise retreat movement as many other characters could have been eliminated, but you don't want to see that. Even if Taurus lost to Madmole (by a blow to the head), it doesn't mean he would have lost to Elfman. Just because one person can lose to individual A does not mean that he or she will lose to the other person who beat A.


In any case, this discussion will be sterile. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Madmole defeating Taurus shows Elfman would’ve done the same. Why? Because Elfman and Madmole tied. It’s literally as simple as 1+1=2.

Also you cannot tell me Taurus wouldn’t have been one shotted if he knew the attacwas coming. He’s always been weak. Whether he saw it coming or not makes zero difference since he’s fodder.

Therr is no reason Elfman would be unable to defeat Taurus he literally tied with the person who one shot him like c’mon what is this.

Also if a person loses to an individual they will lose to someone just as strong as that person. That’s literally what feats and powerscaling are about like.....e.g Laxus beat Wahl therefore Gildarts could because he is stronger than both of them. How can I say for sure that Gildarts would beat him if they never fought? FEATS.

Elfman’s feat of drawing with Madmole is above anything Taurus can do. Taurus’ feats are horrible and he was one shotted By the guy.

 

[Jko]

Y'all Lucy ain't that powerful to be taking on high tiers of the guild which Elfman is in. We are gonna have to wait and see if she finally gets her power boost in the Selene arc bcs right now she is only is the upper ranks of a mid tier. She is not beating Elf in a 1v1 or Mira 1v1 until she gets a power up.

 

[yutu]

Star dress pisce fan art

Well now the stardress I hate the most is no longer caprico but the mixed stardress of aquarius x scorpio.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Honestly wish we got to see more of the Stardress in legit battle.

Aquarius Stardress was powerful enough to make a huge portion of Solid Earth turn into Liquid earth.

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Aquarius Water shield blocking Jackal nukes.

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Just from these feats alone this form is immensely powerful but in battle we barely see it in full force. Would have made more sense to have used this Stardress in the Water God arc to hold the Water Dragon's water back while others attacked. In Combination with Gemini transformed as Lucy in Aquarius stardress would have been the perfect time to show off this forms full power. Maybe in Combo with Taurus, Scorpio and Aries as Wool and Sand have some absorption properties and Taurus axe can amplify the attack radius.

Also Aquametria in the water should have looked more like this:

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Than This based off the Aquametria Feat on land using Earth which isn't really Aquarius element.

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I really wish we got to actually see Lucy going all out in a legit battle with no BS or nerfing. Like I said earlier and Still stand by it, Stardress mix was handled improperly. I don't think they should be magically consuming it should actually be the opposite given she only uses a portion of the Spirits power in this form and Stardress itself boost her magical reserves. I know Hiro mashima needed the form to have a drawback to not make it too powerful but it would have made more sense that the Pro of Stardress is the fact it boost her magical power allowing her to fight longer but the con is she access less power than actually summoning the spirit.

 

[mwarren100]

Honestly wish we got to see more of the Stardress in legit battle.

Aquarius Stardress was powerful enough to make a huge portion of Solid Earth turn into Liquid earth.

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Aquarius Water shield blocking Jackal nukes.

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Just from these feats alone this form is immensely powerful but in battle we barely see it in full force. Would have made more sense to have used this Stardress in the Water God arc to hold the Water Dragon's water back while others attacked. In Combination with Gemini transformed as Lucy in Aquarius stardress would have been the perfect time to show off this forms full power. Maybe in Combo with Taurus, Scorpio and Aries as Wool and Sand have some absorption properties and Taurus axe can amplify the attack radius.

Also Aquametria in the water should have looked more like this:

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Than This based off the Aquametria Feat on land using Earth which isn't really Aquarius element.

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I really wish we got to actually see Lucy going all out in a legit battle with no BS or nerfing. Like I said earlier and Still stand by it, Stardress mix was handled improperly. I don't think they should be magically consuming it should actually be the opposite given she only uses a portion of the Spirits power in this form and Stardress itself boost her magical reserves. I know Hiro mashima needed the form to have a drawback to not make it too powerful but it would have made more sense that the Pro of Stardress is the fact it boost her magical power allowing her to fight longer but the con is she access less power than actually summoning the spirit.

That's why I'm still praying for the selene arc to be her chance at glory.

 

[Cosmicstar]

That's why I'm still praying for the selene arc to be her chance at glory.

With the Selene thing I am on the fence. I don't want to see Selene give Lucy any powerup but rather see Hiro actually properly use Lucy's Celestial Spirit magic. There is so much potential with the Celestial spirit magic being undercut that at this point I don't really have much faith. Like Hiro Mashima properly exercised Stardress mix with Lucy's current Keys there is so many great potential forms we could have gotten without any BS or craziness. Beyond that though there are so many great potential constellations to explore that could easily compliment the current spirits she has. Like Saggita and Saggitarius.

In all honesty I think the Metal Dragon would be more beneficial towards Lucy story wise than Selene. Reason being is that since the keys are made of precious metal we might get to see more maybe even some rarer keys.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

With the Selene thing I am on the fence. I don't want to see Selene give Lucy any powerup but rather see Hiro actually properly use Lucy's Celestial Spirit magic. There is so much potential with the Celestial spirit magic being undercut that at this point I don't really have much faith. Like Hiro Mashima properly exercised Stardress mix with Lucy's current Keys there is so many great potential forms we could have gotten without any BS or craziness. Beyond that though there are so many great potential constellations to explore that could easily compliment the current spirits she has. Like Saggita and Saggitarius.

In all honesty I think the Metal Dragon would be more beneficial towards Lucy story wise than Selene. Reason being is that since the keys are made of precious metal we might get to see more maybe even some rarer keys.

What if Lucy gets Draco’s key?

 

[mwarren100]

With the Selene thing I am on the fence. I don't want to see Selene give Lucy any powerup but rather see Hiro actually properly use Lucy's Celestial Spirit magic. There is so much potential with the Celestial spirit magic being undercut that at this point I don't really have much faith. Like Hiro Mashima properly exercised Stardress mix with Lucy's current Keys there is so many great potential forms we could have gotten without any BS or craziness. Beyond that though there are so many great potential constellations to explore that could easily compliment the current spirits she has. Like Saggita and Saggitarius.

In all honesty I think the Metal Dragon would be more beneficial towards Lucy story wise than Selene. Reason being is that since the keys are made of precious metal we might get to see more maybe even some rarer keys.

I am still in the Selene Lucy power up camp since the star relation but we are long away from that arc. Gonna take a year at least.

 

[kian]

Honestly wish we got to see more of the Stardress in legit battle.

Aquarius Stardress was powerful enough to make a huge portion of Solid Earth turn into Liquid earth.

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Aquarius Water shield blocking Jackal nukes.

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Just from these feats alone this form is immensely powerful but in battle we barely see it in full force. Would have made more sense to have used this Stardress in the Water God arc to hold the Water Dragon's water back while others attacked. In Combination with Gemini transformed as Lucy in Aquarius stardress would have been the perfect time to show off this forms full power. Maybe in Combo with Taurus, Scorpio and Aries as Wool and Sand have some absorption properties and Taurus axe can amplify the attack radius.

Also Aquametria in the water should have looked more like this:

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Than This based off the Aquametria Feat on land using Earth which isn't really Aquarius element.

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I really wish we got to actually see Lucy going all out in a legit battle with no BS or nerfing. Like I said earlier and Still stand by it, Stardress mix was handled improperly. I don't think they should be magically consuming it should actually be the opposite given she only uses a portion of the Spirits power in this form and Stardress itself boost her magical reserves. I know Hiro mashima needed the form to have a drawback to not make it too powerful but it would have made more sense that the Pro of Stardress is the fact it boost her magical power allowing her to fight longer but the con is she access less power than actually summoning the spirit.

so, you want lucy to be able to use star dress for however long she wants? even if she could use it for however long she wants I still don’t see her becoming some giant threat imo

 

[Cosmicstar]

so, you want lucy to be able to use star dress for however long she wants? even if she could use it for however long she wants I still don’t see her becoming some giant threat imo

Regardless if she would be some giant threat or not it is about her power being properly used. How it plays out is how it plays out as long as she isn't nerfed. How strong you feel like she will be is irrelevant.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Y'all Lucy ain't that powerful to be taking on high tiers of the guild which Elfman is in. We are gonna have to wait and see if she finally gets her power boost in the Selene arc bcs right now she is only is the upper ranks of a mid tier. She is not beating Elf in a 1v1 or Mira 1v1 until she gets a power up.

How is Elfman considered high tier? XD

 

[Zelefomavis]

How is Elfman considered high tier? XD

Elfman's powerlevel is one of the most baffling things for me. At the beggining of the manga he was decent but like in Cana and Loke's tier, already weaker than Gray and Natsu. Then in FT festival he got wrecked by non-serious Fried. Then in GMG he was Wendy's replacement which means he was considered less than Wendy. He also was considered less than Lucy.

And then in Alvarez , after having no contributions whatsoever he suddenly beat Ajeel (albeit with Lisanna but I mean Lisanna lmao) and now he stalemated Madmole which would put him on Gray's tier, Gray who solo wrecked Raijinshu without even using Ice, so that'd make Elfman high tier and way better than Fried.

He used to seem weaker and weaker compared to the main team every arc and then he suddenly got some weird love from Mashima who makes him high tier but never bothers to give him on screen feet. He just appears to have those feat for no reasons. Like he is suddenly so much jetter than Raijinshu but no explanation where given. He just is.

It's the Mira's effect, Mashima seems to like him but also not like him ? He is relevant power wise but has no screen time and just got random off screen feats. Guess it's a Strauss sibling thing

 

[Jko]

How is Elfman considered high tier? XD

Stalemated Madmole, strikes harder than a Demo-Fist, and beat Ajeel lol.

 

[Itsnever2k]

Stalemated Madmole, strikes harder than a Demo-Fist, and beat Ajeel lol.

You won't find a panel in the manga when he did any of those things lmao

 

[Cosmicstar]

To add onto my earleier points of Lucy's magic being used more effectively. Honestly given how Stardress mix is portrayed I think it would be more effective to simply do a combination attacks between the spirits than using Stardress Mix. First off it would be more powerful as you aren't using a portion of the Spirits power but the full thing. Second it wouldn't be as magically exhausting as the Spirits combo attacks didn't see to effect Lucy as much as Stardress mix.

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For example:

Leo and Virgo simply combining their powers to cast Lion Maiden.

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Lucy with Aquarius Stardress and Scorpio perform Aqua stream. Which based off Scorpio Sandbuster and AquaMetria radius spells, Aqua stream would have had a much higher radius.

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Also wouldn't Virgo Diver magic been super effective against the Earth Golems?

Honestly I want Substance over flash. Stardress mix currently is just Flash. Basically all Hiro did was switch out the Combination attacks for Stardress mix.

 

[strikefreedom]

so, you want lucy to be able to use star dress for however long she wants? even if she could use it for however long she wants I still don’t see her becoming some giant threat imo

It all depends on what you call "threat".

Again lucy will never make a dragon all alone, but faced ALL alone, the dragon eater or guys like Ajeel, neihart, jacob, bloodman, Whal etc, its yes, it is expected of her to after.

If lucy gets a PU by selene, which is a pure boost of magic or something, then yes I want her to be able to use her mixed stradress much longer than that, not like there just swung an ultimate and finished, see after which she can chain them , passed from a mixed stardress to the others directly.

In the end for her last fight, if she gets the king's stardress, I want a real fight with it, not just a sword or an ultimate and finished.

No no a real sword fight against his opponent, which lasts quite a long time, or lucy really gave everything in this fight.

History that one can really qualify that of final combat.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

To add onto my earleier points of Lucy's magic being used more effectively. Honestly given how Stardress mix is portrayed I think it would be more effective to simply do a combination attacks between the spirits than using Stardress Mix. First off it would be more powerful as you aren't using a portion of the Spirits power but the full thing. Second it wouldn't be as magically exhausting as the Spirits combo attacks didn't see to effect Lucy as much as Stardress mix.

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For example:

Leo and Virgo simply combining their powers to cast Lion Maiden.

Or

Lucy with Aquarius Stardress and Scorpio perform Aqua stream. Which based off Scorpio Sandbuster and AquaMetria radius spells, Aqua stream would have had a much higher radius.

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Also wouldn't Virgo Diver magic been super effective against the Earth Golems?

Honestly I want Substance over flash. Stardress mix currently is just Flash. Basically all Hiro did was switch out the Combination attacks for Stardress mix.

Lucy actually had a pretty good steady power growth early in the series, not to OP, but still versatile and could hold her own in some fights. Later on, seems like the author made Natsu&Eza ( later Wendy ) too OP and needed to rush Lucy's abilities to make her somehow even remotely equal to them, but failed. 2 -3 spirit summon, after Tartaros, was never used until the 100YQ, Urano Metria pushed aside, Capricorn and Gemini never being utilized to their potential, spirit don't feel like they're growing in power, while Luy improved tremendously.
The SD Mix's huge mana consumption feels like a needles tool to gut her now and later it will somehow disappear.

Hope Lucy gets more time to shine and maybe fights someone solo.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Celestial Spirit King Stardress vs Zodiac Celestial Stardress Which one would be stronger?

Personally I think the CSK Stardress would posses more raw power I think the Zodiac Celestial dress would be more versatile.

Zodiac Celestial Stardress: Crux+Zodiacs

Eclipse gate mechanisms: Magic absorption and Storage, Time Manipulation

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Combined with the Zodiac Specific Magics like Mimic, Transformation, Earth, Light, Water, Strength, Wool, Slice, etc.

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Celestial Spirit king like power: Immense Sword power

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CSK Dress I would love to be seen used against a Dragon God while Zodiac Dress against a Dragon Eater. Unfortunately since none of these dresses Exist I don't see it happening.