Ofc the doc could have been a traitor who got recruited in N2 for all we know, but like, well. *throws hands up*
Not like we know.
Not like we know.
bruh you wanna make me waste my 2 votes on you? or why so insistent ))))))) I WAS LITERALLY JUST CONFIRMED AS HEALTHY TOWNIE LMAOPersonally I think the last Mafia is Baka, with me and marm making the useless investigative Mason circus and Holt the sole real investigative role in the game. A Mafia with a +1 vote and -1 vote make a lot of sense. If they avoid being killed early and manange to get rid of the TP then they could have won on their votes at day 3 if they get the townie number down to 4 if SK had been successful. Day 1 townie dies, night 1 2 townie dies, day 2 1 townie dies, night 2 2 townie dies = 6 dead townies out of 10 in a gaming pool of 14 players with 1 TP, 3 Mafia and 10 Townies. Seems reasonable enough considering if they failed to lynch SK on day 3 the game wouldn't dead and they risk getting killed by SK then plus with the hider, BP and BG/Doc there was enough protection around to have some kills fail as it happened.
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I disagree, mostly because I remember at least one Game where Mafia had Healthy on their side as well. But fine by me. I might remember wrongly after all or it was due a game mechanic.
Anyway, I am off for a while. Hopefully Holt comes around and can show us what he found out.
True that. But there is a possibility that if you are M.Pirate, you could have stolen it for all we know. Just keeping all options open. But no worries, lynching Holt reveals the most information as Gry has written it out and if he is the last Mafia then the game is over and won.^^bruh you wanna make me waste my 2 votes on you? or why so insistent ))))))) I WAS LITERALLY JUST CONFIRMED AS HEALTHY TOWNIE LMAO
he could be lying about being mason and actually be m boss and m detI'll read this all tomorrow.
Gajeel says he targeted Holt N1 - he hit a mafia here. And it's probably not Holt. I'm gonna say James who is a mason that lynches a mason.
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Answer to your game. Only 1 block has been identified so far which aligns with my 1 use.
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MBoss MDet?
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Don't mind following an accountant style lynch like that one Gry.
G'night
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stop trying to find excuses lmao, I left heavy hints for both roles since the start of DAY 1. DAY 2 I CLAIMED EARLY so, how would i have possibly known D1 to fake healthy since i couldn't have known it was in game?True that. But there is a possibility that if you are M.Pirate, you could have stolen it for all we know. Just keeping all options open. But no worries, lynching Holt reveals the most information as Gry has written it out and if he is the last Mafia then the game is over and won.^^
That ain't possible because putting in a single Mason with no other Mason is like against the rules or something, lol. Lol, your excuses are worse than mine. Relax, Baka, relax.^^he could be lying about being mason and actually be m boss and m det
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stop trying to find excuses lmao, I left heavy hints for both roles since the start of DAY 1. DAY 2 I CLAIMED EARLY so, how would i have possibly known D1 to fake healthy since i couldn't have known it was in game?
or that she never had it and she's your mafia buddy, which honestly makes more sense considering how you've been defending her all game, than brandish avoiding to confirm her.See? I knew you would be disappointed, investigating me.^^
@GrySun So do we lynch Holt to check or do we go for the doc or do you want to lynch me and see that I was telling the truth about Mason/Det all along?
Ah, btw - how about the Mafia Noble had Mafia Pirate and stole the Healthy Townie from our Doc? Then that would explain why the sickly move from Brand didn't work on Baka.
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We could check that by Brand using sickly on Tatsu. If it works it means Tatsu no longer has her HT and that it was stolen without her noticing it.
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when exactly was i asked to use noble?Need to organize my thoughts a bit. Brandish should be clear, Gry is confirmed. Not sure if the Shad’s death is in hopes of him taking down another townie or simply reducing the trusted pool. Going to look at this as objectively as possible.
James- Claims Mason/det with guilty on Tatsu, Sam and Me. Unless both of us are scum, he’s paranoid. Would fit (albeit cruelly) with Marm also being paranoid. Both masons were trolls but maybe the damage was intended to be reduced by them discussing and figuring it out between each other ? To be scum he’d have to be Mason/Boss but I think that’s too far even for panda.
Tatsu- doc and Ht. Sole claimed doc and would make sense with 2 killing parties, prost, Bg, Necro could’ve tentatively handle this although with sacrifices. Not putting a doc could be in consideration of SK? Might be a stretch but gotta consider all angles. Ht bit is fine considering the sicklys.
Baka- Noble and HT. Brandish confirms she does have HT, but that could’ve been pirated. Also hasn’t used noble even though she was asked at least once? Although we do know her being recruited should be unlikely(?), if mafia, it’s possible she may have saving the noble for a time when numbers don’t favour. Also arguable that as mafia she would’ve readily used it to gain more credibility. Not sure which it is. Pirate stealing HT would be god-tier as it would’ve worked in her favor regardless of brand targeting her or Tatsu. But I think she already hinted this very early?
Honestly don’t know which way to go. I really thought James had to be the last scum but unless he is boss which is unlikely, then he isn’t. Kinda wish I had checked Tatsu instead of DD previously. There’s still a lot of time so I’ll have to analyze a bit more
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at least i don't know the rulesThat ain't possible because putting in a single Mason with no other Mason is like against the rules or something, lol. Lol, your excuses are worse than mine. Relax, Baka, relax.^^
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I'm actually very relaxed dw )) i'd have insta locked both votes on you if I wasn'tThat ain't possible because putting in a single Mason with no other Mason is like against the rules or something, lol. Lol, your excuses are worse than mine. Relax, Baka, relax.^^
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It was decided yday that Baka be sickly'd.@Brandish μ If only you had sickly Tatsu we might know a lot more now...
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This Erin quote encapsulates well I think that there wasn't some planned scheme with teammate Tatsu. Their early gameplan seems to been to paint the D1 lynch and sudden switches to something weird and lynch town Tatsu.Something is definitely weird in yesterday voting , i can't see it any other way, marm was very likely killed to save tatsu. Can tatsu be town, Idk, maybe if Marm wasnt mason, Id assume maybe tatsu is something like this , among last 3 votes cast on marm there should be at least one mafia that took advantage of that situation, and thats the weird part, coz Gry hints to be BP not sure what to think , but he promised he will explain what he meant in hints etc., James said he has a a role that can confirm him and Shad claimed Banshee/jesus , he is the one i trust the most among the 3.
Something is off, here, at least 1 or 2 persons seemed to desperately trying to save Tatsu after Marm claimed investigative role ( if they are not mafia maybe its something like traitor or idk. I dont think all those votes on marm were purely oops or coincidental.
Therefore for now Im voting for Tatsu. waiting for potential new infos or reveals to move it, if necessary.
Votekill Tatsu
I agree with most of this. Especially Erin, Gajeel and Sam
She was very early supportive of thinking badly of both Erin and Sam. Masterful mafia play I don't mind losing to, but I think it's town.I mean I would be okay with Erin, she attacked me all day when she didn't have anything either to bring to the table so
But I feel like Gajeel and Sam posts are even less remarquable...
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Maybe he tagged him on his last night, who knows.Doubt Shad even has Holt tagged.
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!votekill Holt for now. I certainly want one of the Dets gone, just not fully sure which one is best yet.
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Last Game we didn't had two passives either so to me that IS an impossibility. Denying a player to partake in the game mechanic is contraproductive plus a M.Mason/M.Boss also denies Mafia other Mafia roles they could have had otherwise like Pirate, Janitor, Poisoner, Detective, etc. Like for real M.Doc/Prostitute and sickly/strongman with a M.Mason/M.Boss? That's like.... sooooooo weak. At the very least they would need a M.Det to be able to gather information.Doubt Shad even has Holt tagged.
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!votekill Holt for now. I certainly want one of the Dets gone, just not fully sure which one is best yet.
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James I never said M. Boss is an impossibility on Mafia Mason. Just not a combo I‘d use, since you have nothing to spend spice on. But P a n d a g a e m
I mean then are you saying Holt is the real Det and you're the M. Boss?@GrySun The only thing I don't understand about your theory is my guilty result on Tatsu. Because if Holt turns out scum then that means I am the sole Det with only three uses which should makes me sane. And then that leaves the question open as to what Tatsu is then. Traitor/Doc being sold out by M.Det/whatever combo? Seems a bit strange to me because the only other target Holt would have to brand as possible Mafia would be Baka and for that Baka would have to be M.Pirate to be HT since Brand's sickly didn't work on her. You cannot be Mafia, I would have to be M.Mason/M.Boss after his guilty on me and Brand is double Necro, like that just doesn't work. And yet Holt wants to lynch Tatsu today? Does he hope he can get a double kill? I just don't get what the Mafia plan is here.
Here are a few things to keep in mind Gry. James got guilty on Tatsu, Sam and me. Like I said previously, if both of us are not mafia, then James is paranoid. If I'm mafia, then town only had a paranoid det. Me being mafia would also mean we'd have to consider Marm was not paranoid and I really checked James N1. I went at James from the moment he revealed det and especially when he mentioned it was an omo. My basis for that was my det being an aigoo. Additionally, I pressured him more on his aigoo however, this is something I should have known since I would've checked his role prior. Ofc the argument can be made that I am not a M.Det but some other role, however, I could not have been certain enough of Gaj being scum if I wasn't M.Det so that argument falls apart. As you rightly mentioned, M.Det would've had to stop using their role and start killing by themselves so that leaves me only N1 and N2, in which I found both sole det and tp. Not impossible, but those sure are some great odds.My thoughts after mulling it over:
- Brandish - GB was blocked N2. At that point both town Prostitute and Escort were dead. If not town Necromancer then what else could it be? If they had a 2nd Escort this would be too OP. Can't be an upgraded Rookie because he couldn't have learned it before N2.
- Baka Taichou - has to be town due to Brandish' confirmation. Would any Pirate not grab Shad's Jesus when it was literally right there from N1, instead keep it until Tatsu claimed Healthy Townie? Maybe if M. Det investigated Tatsu N1, but iirc Baka was requesting sickly to target her since D1 or D2, both too early for a planned Pirate steal. So Baka has to be town. Tatsu also protected her N2 so she should've been unrecruitable.
- Tatsu - It's funny just how much action Tatsu has been in since the game started. She's like the central player of the game, the protagonist Panda. Got involved in a D1 lynch and was saved by townies. 1 mafia was on her for two days, then Samuel also tried to frame her with Spy targets. Would they really do some 300IQ play of over-elaborately crafting a believable Tatsu for endgame? I don't believe it. Doctor also fits with how we're lacking in ways to prevent kills(yet funnily we still blocked more than is to be expected by hosts).
This Erin quote encapsulates well I think that there wasn't some planned scheme with teammate Tatsu. Their early gameplan seems to been to paint the D1 lynch and sudden switches to something weird and lynch town Tatsu.
She was very early supportive of thinking badly of both Erin and Sam. Masterful mafia play I don't mind losing to, but I think it's town.
- James - There needs to be a Mason to pair with Marm. I can believe hosts trolling, but I refuse to believe Marmalade would just keep to herself how she got host-trolled and not mention it D1. James' social aspect hints also fit. Just that the Mafia Mason angle exists. He lynched his Mason buddy for.. claiming investigative? Despite he himself being investigative so he should know Mason can start with it? His targets were bad and results not helpful, he's eerily calm about the whole game unlike what I believe town James to sound like. But Holt clears him, so he must be Mafia Mason + Mafia Boss, pretty broken. Would they then not have a Mafia Det whatsoever, or he has a 4th teammate that is Mafia Det?
Another angle is Holt targeting James N2 when we had no kills. We assumed Marm was troll Spy, but if real then mafia Holt either investigated or recruited James.
He was sicklied N1. Most likely by mafia Samuel. Would it have been smart of them to lower their voting-power intentionally on a teammate? Given how D2 panned out they could've used some votes.
- Holt - main thing to note is that he cleared James rather than frame him. Meaning they aren't close to winning that 1 mislynch wins them the game, if he's mafia. Another important thing is, if there are only 3 mafias Holt would need to stop using Mafia Det and instead kill from N3 onwards because he lost Erin and Sam by that point. But at which point would he have used M. Det on Gajeel? No way they kill with Erin when he had both Escort and M. Doc. No way they kill with Sam to waste Strongman early, so he sicklied instead. So Holt would have had to do the kill. This leaves only N3 where a Holt with 2 teammates could have used M. Det. And to use it on Gajeel specifically. So N2 Sam failed with Strongman lol, achievement unlocked.
So does this sound plausible? Sniping Gajeel N2, then using the Gajeel resultto his advantage on the day we were thinking of lynching one of the Detectives? He says as mafia he'd keep the SK, but if he's the last member of the team he must think of his survival first, and we were lynching among him or James.
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TL;DR
- I refuse to believe in 4 mafias + SK, too many.
- All circumstances surrounding Tatsu, Brandish and Baka show they are town.
- Mafia must be between either James or Holt.
Neither of the 2 has a great voting record or had notable interactions with mafias.
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@Brandish μ do you have enough Spice left to use GB's Mortician?
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Shit no you don't. Maximum sadness.
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This be a real hard choice.
1. Lynch James - Flips town (1 v 4)
Scum would be Holt. I can't see Tatsu, Bran or Baka fit as mafia. Bran BG on Tatsu, Tatsu Doc on Bran, I hide behind one of you, mafia forced to kill either Holt or Baka. Shad no kill.
Baka dies, 1v3, Shad revives, 1v4. We have 2 mislynches. Lynch Holt, then if game not over lynch Tatsu I guess?
2. Lynch James - Flips mafia, game not over (1 v 4)
Bran use BG on Tatsu. Tatsu use Doctor on Holt or Bran. I hide behind one of you three. Shad no kill.
Baka probably dies, Shad revives, 1v4. Holt will be alive to confirm another person(Tatsu/Bran), we lynch Holt for safety, then we lynch the remaining unconfirmed player(Tatsu/Bran). We win.
3. Lynch Holt - Flips town (1 v 4)
Scum would be James with Mason+Boss. Bran Det use on Tatsu. Tatsu protect Bran. I hide behind Bran. Shad no kill.
Baka probably dies, Shad revives, 1v4. We lynch Tatsu if found by Bran, or James if Tatsu cleared. We win.
4. Lynch Holt - Flips mafia, game not over (1 v 4)
Bran BG on Tatsu, Tatsu Doc on Bran. I hide behind one of you and be safe. Mafia forced to kill James or Baka. Shad no kill.
Baka probably dies, Shad revives, 1v4. We lynch James, if game still not over then we have one more chance between Tatsu, Bran and me final day of 3.
Either way we win, I don't see how mafia can squeeze out a win without having 2 members who are both very well hidden like Bran + Baka.
@Shad do not use your kill, this gives us 2 lynch chances in most calculations. But I can't stop you so worst case we have only the final day when you revive to lynch correctly.
I'd like to think we win regardless, just which option between James and Holt is more comfortable?
Again, look at last game, no two passives on anybody.I mean then are you saying Holt is the real Det and you're the M. Boss?
Maybe we had no functioning Dets and they had no Bosses. They knew right away your uselessness when you had same result on Tatsu and Sam. Tatsu result then doesn't matter.
Plan was maybe to kill me and Shad, Shad shoots either Tatsu or Brand, Holt stalls by finding a Guilty on someone. Then it would work this way:
1v4 today with me dead and shad dead.
1v3 after mislynch on Tatsu.
1v2 after Shad shoots Brandish.
1v1 with Holt killing Baka.
Shad respawns. Final day Shad, Holt and James. Shad will happily lynch James as according to older posts. Holt wins?
My survival doesn't even mess up the plan much, Shad just has too shoot a townie for it to be worth it.
Not all has to be true at the same time though.Here are a few things to keep in mind Gry. James got guilty on Tatsu, Sam and me. Like I said previously, if both of us are not mafia, then James is paranoid. If I'm mafia, then town only had a paranoid det. Me being mafia would also mean we'd have to consider Marm was not paranoid and I really checked James N1. I went at James from the moment he revealed det and especially when he mentioned it was an omo. My basis for that was my det being an aigoo. Additionally, I pressured him more on his aigoo however, this is something I should have known since I would've checked his role prior. Ofc the argument can be made that I am not a M.Det but some other role, however, I could not have been certain enough of Gaj being scum if I wasn't M.Det so that argument falls apart. As you rightly mentioned, M.Det would've had to stop using their role and start killing by themselves so that leaves me only N1 and N2, in which I found both sole det and tp. Not impossible, but those sure are some great odds.
You mentioned that I had to think of myself first and thus give up Gajeel for trust points, but the thing is I didn't need to. If anything, I was expected to have checked James. The same result I have today could have been used yesterday, and frankly there would have been a lot more chaos, it is debatable that I could be lynched for safety/checking purposes but that is a bit unlikely, especially with how insistent Shad was on Tatsu being mentor. Basically, I could've likely gotten away with keeping me and Gaj alive to double kill at night. So yes it is understandable that I could give up Gaj for my survival, but it was not the only play, and certainly not the best one.
It's possible I'm biased because of my result on James, but I'm thinking more about roles/results because the last mafia has played their hand quite well so far. Doing more of a process of elimination. Brandish confirmed by GB, Baka confirmed by Brandish, I confirmed James, you're host confirmed. There are nuances that could invalidate these confirmations, but at this point, there is only Tatsu who doesn't have that going for her. It's putting the cart before the horse for me to think of lynching anyone before her. Trying not to tunnel here but it's a math solution imo.
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I can only give results tbh, and if Tatsu isn’t scum, and my result on Baka or Brandish doesn’t bring any new information to light, I’d likely turn back on James as the most likely to be scum. I’ve explained my thought process on not going after James first before Tatsu. Still though, I guess circling back to James might be inevitable. Also there’s less damage done than if Tatsu is legit Doc. Plus it would still work out as long as either way as long as Shad doesn’t shoot. Or atleast he doesn’t do so carelessly. I’m already getting tired at this point so I’m honestly fine with whichever line of action is deemed most optimalJust tell me where you see the future going Holt. If Tatsu isn't mafia then what? Lynch James for being Boss? Lynch Brandish or Baka who you may or may not find Innocent on?
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If Tatsu is a recruited Traitor it would fit that she was against the mafias because she knew who they were. But then I fail to see who her teammate is if not you or James. So we must wade through the 2 Dets regardless.
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