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[Copy Panda]

A long time ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: Flashback

omomo

A relatively shorter while ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: [Before the presentation] Day 2 Belsaph arc got cut short by the Vankaku

One VanPlan in the backyard later

Spoiler: [Slide 1] - Night 2 The JoJo franchise collapses

Spoiler: [Slide 2] Day 3 Blackuchi bites the dust

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To be continued...

 

[Purity of Magi]

A bit of a flashback of this game

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Basically Takuans Lynch being discussed in a nutshell

Spoiler

Confirmed townie basically yet still pointed as suspicious

Spoiler

How to throw a game

Spoiler

Deadpad talk:

How the game basically ended:

How to use logic and gain trust in Raven style

Spoiler

What have we learned?

Nothing.



Mafia game basically

Spoiler

 

[Farfalla]

Ah ok, we were actually tidy so it was easy to make the final updates. Here are the lists:

Spoiler: Roles

Santa Gifts (Permanent Role Changes):

• Mason
• Mason
• Doctor (Sane if Town)
• Spy (Sane)
• Spirit Medium

Spoiler: Actions

And yes mafia was pink just cause pink = pretty red

 

[shinobi]

Spirit Medium shouldn't detect failed actions, so whether they were killed or died because Gruviii are scum would be undetectable. But you can ask the hosts for confirmation on that.

Apparently if MR targeted a mafia the SM should get the target's name.

 

[digitaldude]

If one of the nobles are traitors they should have lost the ability to use their role, good way to find them out. Blackuchi is 100% not traitor. Lambred....gryviindor. Cant really explain no kill other than traitor.

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vote kill graviiindor for now.

 

[Raven]

I suggest we pick the most suspected player and lynch them.

honestly, i find it really weird to have n1 and n4 without any kills from mafia, But sometimes you find 2 kills per night which is weird.

They could have won by now, If they managed to kill 2 players per night. Idk if the mafia is really dumb or they are just not active

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I prefer we skip day phase like yesterday, It was awesome.

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So boring lmao

say your thoughts or anything, fight eachother, initiate votekills/locks, and play the game?

 

[Takuan]

Also, hi there @BlackTiger and @Takuan

Yeah, hi.


Anyway... I haven't been following at all lately, but props to you guys for killing Santa.

So... No kill tonight? Traitor imo.
I kinda believe Haven to be traitors, because of that Plain Townie claim/hint D2... I see it as begging to get recruited.

But as i said, i stopped paying attention so i'm most likely wrong, so just chose whoever you want to lynch.

 

[Gryffindor]

So you were Sleeper after all and got recruited?

Insert :waitwhat emote. No, not recruited.

At this point I should just post our Role PM

 

[Copy Panda]

omo ò.ó

 

[Asako]

Yeah, hi.


Anyway... I haven't been following at all lately, but props to you guys for killing Santa.

So... No kill tonight? Traitor imo.
I kinda believe Haven to be traitors, because of that Plain Townie claim/hint D2... I see it as begging to get recruited.

But as i said, i stopped paying attention so i'm most likely wrong, so just chose whoever you want to lynch.

UwU haven is second noble
Welcome back Jesus kun

 

[Lambu]

If one of the confirmed nobles/prosecutor is a traitor.....rip townies.

Ikr, because Prosecutor Traitor makes soo much sense

If one of the Nobles is a Traitor tho... it would have to be Haven for the reluctance to show their powers before. Making a wild guess it could mean they didn't want to show the ability in case they got recruited and lose it.
At the same time... I couldn't find any signs of "notice me senpai!" attempts from Holt or Raven after checking their posts so I will trust them for now, even so...

If one of the nobles are traitors they should have lost the ability to use their role, good way to find them out

This is very true, they should use their extra votes soon so we can scratch their names off the suspect list.

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Ok, some analysis and reflexion on my part.

BrandX results have just been corroborated by the hosts, which means Brandish was telling the truth about Santa gifting him Spirit Medium. They said their role was changed and the same hosts said the change granted by the presents is permanent.

Yesterday they said their role was changed from Prostitute (SuperMason) to Spirit Medium. Yesterday, if they had said they got a Spirit Medium action only they would have said that to begin with to avoid contradictions, both if they are Townie or Mafia, so we can assume their role was effectively changed. I have yet to understand how a Spirit Medium Mafia version works btw, its very weird to say the least.
Also comes with the Second SuperMason claim that makes a lot of sense (one Doc SM + 1 Blocker SM is perfectly plausible for a set up). This also means that if they are Traitor that also means they got 2 secondary roles, which again its very weird. Even so, Asako opened that box in the past with that MasonRecruiter Lover-Traitor shinobi in the Kingdom Hearts game so I can see Panfalla reusing the idea... still intrincate as hell. We need to re-read previous post from them to see if they subtly asked for recruitment tho, I can't right now, have to sleep.

They have been one of the forces to cement the lynch on Hardy on D2 aswell... since we dont know who is the Politician it could have been a mess up fixed with the vote corruption of SirMalade, but I dont think Cres is the kind of person to sacrifice a "teammate" like that, thats why I believed them to be TP Mentor if anything, but with that one seemingly out of the equation the case crumbles.

Which means that at the very least for today, BrandX is not the correct lynch. That is the first conclusion I reached.

 

[riki]

Scav and I are planning to use our secret vote in the last minute of the day.

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We’re still waiting on a clear target

 

[James Rye]

I think we should pick Gruviiidor after all. He was most likely the target that got the MR killed by recruiting him.

 

[Juviii]

I think we should pick Gruviiidor after all. He was most likely the target that got the MR killed by recruiting him.

The insistence on us and your lack of suicidal tendencies this game makes me think you are lying about your role.

 

[Lambu]

Then we have Shinko, they claim Detective that got recruited into the masons against BenoNacho's will. This fits with what he said about Santa messing up with him (I wish they had revealed the details behind it with more clarity tho, they took those important facts to the grave...). Shinko claims to be the only detective in game but their vote history is shadier than BrandX.
Town is also looking very strong even without a Det (2 Docs, 2 Nobles, 1 Jesus, 1 BP, 1 Mason Recruiter, 1 "Prostitute"). This ties with Gruvii's claim, but I will come to that later.

The key here lies in the possibility of Shinko being a Detective Traitor, which would connect well with Panda's tendency to go for the complete unexpected. Is it a bastard's move to give Traitor to Town's Det? Yes, yes it is. Is it possible? Of course it is, even more so if Town looks that strong.
Shinko has been rather elusive too, even after getting recruited, maybe its a plain activity thing but it caught my attention.

Both BrandX and Shinko are interesting choices for a kill but I still expected the mafos to target the Nobles or us the Prosecutor.

On a personal level I want to believe Asako-shinobi are telling the truth, they look relaxed in their threads posts, like not restrained by lies.

Scav and I are planning to use our secret vote in the last minute of the day.

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We’re still waiting on a clear target

Why? It makes no sense to do that, use it soon so we can know you are still with us, free us of the doubt come on.

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Both BrandX and Shinko are interesting choices for a kill but I still expected the mafos to target the Nobles or us the Prosecutor.

What I meant with this bit is that very possibly the scum noticed some kind of message that made it kill another person to increase their numbers (classic vote stacking to get attention maybe, but we cannot keep track of those things).

 

[James Rye]

The insistence on us and your lack of suicidal tendencies this game makes me think you are lying about your role.

Well, I am fine with getting lynched. DD and I will just kill you then once we died.

 

[Lambu]

Gruviidor comes next, their gameplay has been nefarious most of the time, I read their post and my instinct tells me "scum", its their damn claim what makes sense and I friggin hate it: They claim Freeman (no point hiding it). They have the posts of a "dead man" rn, awaiting judgement instead of fighting to win towns trust which is scummy as hell too. If they are telling the truth we fucked up for good but as things go for now I would take the risk head on.


Finally we got DigiRye that is probably second best lynch, overtaking BrandX in that race for the time being in my book. This is simple, they have huge chances of being the Traitor.
We spoke about how stacked Town looks this game. What about a second Traitor that can kill a townie of their choice in retaliation? It works well and its surprising the idea isn't used more often. DD plays derpy as always but its James who worries me, extremely uninspired I dare say.
The "You can kill us if you want" bits from yesterday rang very wrong with me, its a rather basic psychological technique to show humility in order to look harmless and they showed a textbook example of it. The Vengeful townie claim happening so soon makes even more sense that way too.

They seem eager to lynch Gruvii too, which makes me scared to go for the portuguese duo, but it could also be an strategy set at night to look trustworthy in the coming phases.


@Vandred when you come back please check these last 3 posts

Same for:

@Brandish μ @Crescent Jinx @Asako @shinobi

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@Holt @Raven @Juviii @Gryffindor @digitaldude

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Want to point out too, this reasoning comes with the assumption that both Nobles use their anonymous vote early to check they still have them.

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@scav @riki and Haven have to use their anonymous before they vote and say on who they will place it, several hours before the Day ends.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

I won't be back for the end of the Dayphase (it will catch me at work), please give your impressions on my thoughts, it should help open new perspectives or stablish the current ones.

You will have to take this from here Van, Im already way past my time. Good luck.

 

[Gryffindor]

Ikr, because Prosecutor Traitor makes soo much sense

Well, we did just have a DTV Traitor so.......

I think we should pick Gruviiidor after all. He was most likely the target that got the MR killed by recruiting him.

Spirit Medium results say otherwise.

Gruviidor comes next, their gameplay has been nefarious most of the time, I read their post and my instinct tells me "scum", its their damn claim what makes sense and I friggin hate it: They claim Freeman (no point hiding it). They have the posts of a "dead man" rn, awaiting judgement instead of fighting to win towns trust which is scummy as hell too. If they are telling the truth we fucked up for good but as things go for now I would take the risk head on.


Finally we got DigiRye that is probably second best lynch, overtaking BrandX in that race for the time being in my book. This is simple, they have huge chances of being the Traitor.
We spoke about how stacked Town looks this game. What about a second Traitor that can kill a townie of their choice in retaliation? It works well and its surprising the idea isn't used more often. DD plays derpy as always but its James who worries me, extremely uninspired I dare say.
The "You can kill us if you want" bits from yesterday rang very wrong with me, its a rather basic psychological technique to show humility in order to look harmless and they showed a textbook example of it. The Vengeful townie claim happening so soon makes even more sense that way too.

They seem eager to lynch Gruvii too, which makes me scared to go for the portuguese duo, but it could also be an strategy set at night to look trustworthy in the coming phases.


@Vandred when you come back please check these last 3 posts

Same for:

@Brandish μ @Crescent Jinx @Asako @shinobi

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@Holt @Raven @Juviii @Gryffindor @digitaldude

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

Want to point out too, this reasoning comes with the assumption that both Nobles use their anonymous vote early to check they still have them.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

@scav @riki and Haven have to use their anonymous before they vote and say on who they will place it, several hours before the Day ends.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

I won't be back for the end of the Dayphase (it will catch me at work), please give your impressions on my thoughts, it should help open new perspectives or stablish the current ones.

You will have to take this from here Van, Im already way past my time. Good luck.

It has not been nefarious at all, our play isn't different than 90% of the pairs remaining but you like to tunnel vision on us the same way you like to do it to Takuan, and that didn't go too well did it? Already called you out on making stuff up and you decided to drop it because "we were going in circles", but if you want to start that conversation again then so be it.

We don't have the posts of a dead man, we've explained ourselves over and over but you guys dismiss every explanation. Just look at DigiRye for example, they still think we are some Sleeper/Traitor, they clearly are not even reading our posts. It's not our fault the thread is dead and everyone is going to wait to the last 30 minutes of the day, would you like me to spam "I'm innocent" every 5 minutes so that it seems we are fighting to survive? Not like I'm dodging questions or comments.

Just think from a Mafia's perspective, they prefer our lynch as opposed to them taking us out themselves, you guys do the job for them, they get 2 free strikes, you force them to take us out, then they only 1 free strike. Rest assured, for them it is not a "game winning/losing decision" yet, when it does come to that point they will have no choice but to take us out if Town doesn't do it for them.

Now for the rest of the post:
Vanbu, Blackuchi, plus the nobles are good in my book, they can prove themselves if needed. If the recruitment theory you guys are floating around is true, then its easy to put to the test.
DigiRye-don't trust, passive and ain't even making an effort to read. Like DD is on about the noble thing, but James is on about us? Throwin' darts.
Shinko-I don't think detectives are necessary for this game, if anything, they made you (4-3) on D2, and all the info conveniently comes out once EnoNacho is gone. And the recruitment stuff is all weird and they are in direct contradiction of BrandX, so you'll have to decide, because if they are both town, then no way should either of them be telling a different story from the other.
BrandX-Brandish isn't really into the rules and stuff(he got hostkilled not too long ago), so he was honest in his results imo, and was confident in the hosts proving him. Naturally, that only applies to one specific result, but the only lingering doubt is Crescent who indeed is very well versed in them but the results seem so weak that if they were made up I don't see what they would be trying to achieve with them. Though I didn't believe the Super Mason stuff, but you see it otherwise.

 

[Juviii]

Well, I am fine with getting lynched. DD and I will just kill you then once we died.

Too bad mafia can't kill after death.

Gruviidor comes next, their gameplay has been nefarious most of the time, I read their post and my instinct tells me "scum", its their damn claim what makes sense and I friggin hate it: They claim Freeman (no point hiding it). They have the posts of a "dead man" rn, awaiting judgement instead of fighting to win towns trust which is scummy as hell too. If they are telling the truth we fucked up for good but as things go for now I would take the risk head on.


Finally we got DigiRye that is probably second best lynch, overtaking BrandX in that race for the time being in my book. This is simple, they have huge chances of being the Traitor.
We spoke about how stacked Town looks this game. What about a second Traitor that can kill a townie of their choice in retaliation? It works well and its surprising the idea isn't used more often. DD plays derpy as always but its James who worries me, extremely uninspired I dare say.
The "You can kill us if you want" bits from yesterday rang very wrong with me, its a rather basic psychological technique to show humility in order to look harmless and they showed a textbook example of it. The Vengeful townie claim happening so soon makes even more sense that way too.

They seem eager to lynch Gruvii too, which makes me scared to go for the portuguese duo, but it could also be an strategy set at night to look trustworthy in the coming phases.


@Vandred when you come back please check these last 3 posts

Same for:

@Brandish μ @Crescent Jinx @Asako @shinobi

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 12, 2020 ---

@Holt @Raven @Juviii @Gryffindor @digitaldude

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

Want to point out too, this reasoning comes with the assumption that both Nobles use their anonymous vote early to check they still have them.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

@scav @riki and Haven have to use their anonymous before they vote and say on who they will place it, several hours before the Day ends.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

I won't be back for the end of the Dayphase (it will catch me at work), please give your impressions on my thoughts, it should help open new perspectives or stablish the current ones.

You will have to take this from here Van, Im already way past my time. Good luck.

I'm not waiting for any judgment but I've seen this scenario before and I'm sick and tired of it. I won't get trigger this time, I assure you. And it's not like I'm being targeted with actual arguments. Look at DD posts:
In the beginning: so we lynch Gruviii?
Brandish vs shinko happens
DD: let's kill Gruviii cause they were the target of the MR.

If you think my posts are nefarious look at them. I called out James for being detached and DD isn't better. They don't even bother giving arguments to try to lynch me. Just keep repeating the same MR story.

As for Brandish vs Shinko one of them is lying, that is certain. Unless there's some mind fk scenario that I'm not seeing. What I know, however, is that the MR didn't die on me.

 

[Vandred]

Ahhh..... make sense now that you mention it, remember that the politician never reused his role after D2
Santa gifts are weird

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I thought mafia can't role change to townie roles with santa gifts, with mason it had it's counter part mafia mason so didn't think much about all the others roles

It's not like they needed to...

Santa gifts could be pretty much anything, so yeah. Doesn't matter much either way.

Apparently if MR targeted a mafia the SM should get the target's name.

Ah, the flashbacks are coming back to me now.
So regardless of their N3 target, BenoNacho would have been killed directly either by mafia or Insane Doc, or hit a PGO.

Your opinions on today's lynching targets, ShinKo?

@Vandred @Lambu like what is the point of me doing this? I’m lying I get lynched tomorrow anyway. Think from our perspective, isn’t obvious you’d be mute with the cards we got dealt

Too many silent people. We double claim, we are lynched. Also we only claimed today and we are top suspect, would mafia waste a kill to recruit someone that could be lynched the next day?

Huh.

Would either of you mind explaining why you decided to claim Regular Townie yesterday?
If you hadn't been "forced" to hint Freeman, would you have kept the RT claim?
Do you think that would have kept the mafia away from you?

You said it's either ShinKo or Brand-X. If we had ten seconds to decide, which one would it be?

 

[Gryffindor]

It's not like they needed to...

Santa gifts could be pretty much anything, so yeah. Doesn't matter much either way.



Ah, the flashbacks are coming back to me now.
So regardless of their N3 target, BenoNacho would have been killed directly either by mafia or Insane Doc, or hit a PGO.

Your opinions on today's lynching targets, ShinKo?




Huh.

Would either of you mind explaining why you decided to claim Regular Townie yesterday?
If you hadn't been "forced" to hint Freeman, would you have kept the RT claim?
Do you think that would have kept the mafia away from you?

You said it's either ShinKo or Brand-X. If we had ten seconds to decide, which one would it be?

Because we were accused of being anti-town because of the EnoNacho death, we didn't want to outright say it, but you guys were talking about letting Santa go until D5, and we were the only other option up for the lynch, I wanted to be discreet about it, and apparently it worked because some people still don't get it (see DigiRye). If I'm Mafia, what is the point of bluffing, just to switch the order of days we get lynched, not like SirMalade would've made it past D5. I don't feel you guys would've believed a bomb claim or anything similar, even something theme-fitting like Restless Spirit, especially considering the Blackuchi lynch, the day prior. So we felt it was closest to the truth without outright saying it. Do recall, that when we first hinted, we said we had nothing useful, not what I would call Mafia bait if we were a sleeper or traitor so yes, I feel it would've kept them away with the "not useful" bit, other priorities besides that I would like to think.

shinko or BrandX? I want to hear from Cres, but already mentioned to Lambu that Brandish is the more laidback type, and not the type to scheme something since rules/priorities is not his playbook(no offense). I ask you the question though, if he's lying(and you think he is I'm sure) what are the point of those results, what are they trying to achieve?

Don't want to leave our VT pair unaccounted for either.

 

[Brandish μ]

Look I can buy the Santa present N1 forcing the MR to take on a random, counting as an action on Shinako for my results.

How is no one on N3 a thing if Gruvii was their choice and MR dies?

This whole thing has made it shady for Shinako for me. And the way they were dancin' when they thought I forged some shit, which rubs me wrong.

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I really wanted to lynch Gryffindor for personal satisfaction. That's why I checked GajEno. And maybe I'll get what I want, but I did not get my smoking gun with the results so I am disappointed. Cres has her own reasons for checking GajEno too.

Gryff saying I got no offence smh. Repent in confession for lying.

I'm gonna be advocating the lynch on Shinako. I do think exploring DD-Rye is worth it too, if he's VT he can take down a suspect with him, or a random lol.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

Yea tunnel vision is certainly an issue in these games. Like the pile on for Tigeruan. That's what I feel is being invoked by this Gruviii recruit business. Get people shook.

 

[scav]

I don't trust anyone beside jesus , i won't throw randomly my anon vote like that when almost nobody voted. thats what mafia would want. yesterday i waited til someone got 5x locked vote before throwing away my 2nd vote.

you guys are just going back and forth. I believe safest lynch atm is DD since if he's town he can comeback and take down a suspect.

LOCK VOTEKILL DigiRye

It's almost 2AM here and i'm bout to pass out, i'll see tomorrow before the end what's up before sending 2nd vote.