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[Copy Panda]

A long time ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: Flashback

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A relatively shorter while ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: [Before the presentation] Day 2 Belsaph arc got cut short by the Vankaku

One VanPlan in the backyard later

Spoiler: [Slide 1] - Night 2 The JoJo franchise collapses

Spoiler: [Slide 2] Day 3 Blackuchi bites the dust

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To be continued...

 

[Purity of Magi]

A bit of a flashback of this game

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Basically Takuans Lynch being discussed in a nutshell

Spoiler

Confirmed townie basically yet still pointed as suspicious

Spoiler

How to throw a game

Spoiler

Deadpad talk:

How the game basically ended:

How to use logic and gain trust in Raven style

Spoiler

What have we learned?

Nothing.



Mafia game basically

Spoiler

 

[Farfalla]

Ah ok, we were actually tidy so it was easy to make the final updates. Here are the lists:

Spoiler: Roles

Santa Gifts (Permanent Role Changes):

• Mason
• Mason
• Doctor (Sane if Town)
• Spy (Sane)
• Spirit Medium

Spoiler: Actions

And yes mafia was pink just cause pink = pretty red

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't hate the DD lynch. It's kinda exciting.

 

[Gryffindor]

Brandish, I meant no offense as in I don't mean anything rude by what I say lol, but you having no offense is true as well

 

[Brandish μ]

That's your best fake.

 

[Lambu]

Can be around for 10 minutes.

How is no one on N3 a thing if Gruvii was their choice and MR dies?

This is true, unless Lawlsz protected them and accidentally killed them (assuming I. Doctor) Shinko's claim makes no sense. Something to consider.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Well, we did just have a DTV Traitor so.......

Dont remind me of that, but if DTV makes little to no sense, Prosecutor is impossible. It can only survive by shooting scum. We didnt shoot a TP but a mafia, that automatically clear us 100%.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

It has not been nefarious at all, our play isn't different than 90% of the pairs remaining but you like to tunnel vision on us the same way you like to do it to Takuan, and that didn't go too well did it? Already called you out on making stuff up and you decided to drop it because "we were going in circles", but if you want to start that conversation again then so be it.

Didnt make up stuff, exaggerated the events in order to get a reaction from you (one that I didnt like) but didnt lie about a single thing. Your play being extra safe makes sense if Freeman but it doesnt not to voice thoughts on developments and lurk around with posts lacking content.

Also claiming Regular Townie when Freeman is a big derp if true, thats why it seems like an improvisation on your part.

BlackTaku brought their demise on themselves btw, not going to elaborate much now cause of limited time but they just played like scum this game, do not regret lynching them and I would have done it with anyone that pulled that stunt.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

Lets be aware of Shinko too.

Ok leaving now.

 

[Gryffindor]

Can be around for 10 minutes.



This is true, unless Lawlsz protected them and accidentally killed them (assuming I. Doctor) Shinko's claim makes no sense. Something to consider.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Dont remind me of that, but if DTV makes little to no sense, Prosecutor is impossible. It can only survive by shooting scum. We didnt shoot a TP but a mafia, that automatically clear us 100%.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

Didnt make up stuff, exaggerated the events in order to get a reaction from you (one that I didnt like) but didnt lie about a single thing. Your play being extra safe makes sense if Freeman but it doesnt not to voice thoughts on developments and lurk around with posts lacking content.

Also claiming Regular Townie when Freeman is a big derp if true, thats why it seems like an improvisation on your part.

BlackTaku brought their demise on themselves btw, not going to elaborate much now cause of limited time but they just played like scum this game, do not regret lynching them and I would have done it with anyone that pulled that stunt.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

Lets be aware of Shinko too.

Ok leaving now.

Saying I waited around 10 hours waiting for a wagon to latch onto is the very definition of making stuff up.

Saying I have tendencies to do certain things when I provided examples showing otherwise is the very definition of making things up

I also voiced my thoughts on the game and did not lurk. I’m online when I’m online, when I don’t post for a few hours it doesn’t mean I’m lurking. Again, you are making stuff up. This criteria of yours applies to most pairs remaining today as well, but tunnel vision wins I guess.

It’s not an improvisation. We claimed “not useful” the DAY prior. It was only until Shinko pulled their stunt that we did as such and already explained, which to nobody’s surprise is being dismissed.

What stunt? That they didn’t play the role the way you think it should be played? This just reeks of refusing to acknowledge a mistake. Only reason it doesn’t draw much reaction from others is because they came back.

This day has dragged on and we are here just discussing us while other pairs wait in the background, that should be your first warning sign.

 

[Holt]

I don't understand how Gruuvi can still be alive. That's the biggest issue I have.
The mafia know there's no blocking role in the game. Given what Gruuvi said yesterday, it just makes no sense

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Did Brandish ever post the corrected results? I think I missed it

 

[Juviii]

I don't understand how Gruuvi can still be alive. That's the biggest issue I have.
The mafia know there's no blocking role in the game. Given what Gruuvi said yesterday, it just makes no sense

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Did Brandish ever post the corrected results? I think I missed it

We are lynch candidates. And the no kills seems like they prefered to increase their numbers and lynch us today.

Edit: typo

 

[Gryffindor]

I don't understand how Gruuvi can still be alive. That's the biggest issue I have.
The mafia know there's no blocking role in the game. Given what Gruuvi said yesterday, it just makes no sense

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Did Brandish ever post the corrected results? I think I missed it

It’s precisely for that reason that we are lol.

Why waste a night action on us when town could do them the favor and they get 2 free shots instead of one.

Like I told Vandred, on their end it probably hasn’t reached the point where they need to target us, but if they become desperate then they obviously will.

 

[Holt]

No. That argument doesn't fly imo. I don't recall a time ever when Mafia passed up a freeman kill because they are lynch candidates. If anything, claiming freeman imo is way to not get lynched. If you're not mafia, the mafia know you're legit and also know odds of town taking that risk would be low. I don't see why they would hesitate to take you out.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

We are lynch candidates. And the no kills seems like they prefered to increase their numbers and lynch us today.

Edit: typo

On this too, so much emphasis on increasing their numbers. That's a very weird thing to say, considering there'd be no reason for Mafia to assume there was another traitor. At this point, they are going for kills as much as possible, not hoping and trying to increase their numbers

 

[shinobi]

Then we have Shinko, they claim Detective that got recruited into the masons against BenoNacho's will. This fits with what he said about Santa messing up with him (I wish they had revealed the details behind it with more clarity tho, they took those important facts to the grave...). Shinko claims to be the only detective in game but their vote history is shadier than BrandX.
Town is also looking very strong even without a Det (2 Docs, 2 Nobles, 1 Jesus, 1 BP, 1 Mason Recruiter, 1 "Prostitute"). This ties with Gruvii's claim, but I will come to that later.

The key here lies in the possibility of Shinko being a Detective Traitor, which would connect well with Panda's tendency to go for the complete unexpected. Is it a bastard's move to give Traitor to Town's Det? Yes, yes it is. Is it possible? Of course it is, even more so if Town looks that strong.
Shinko has been rather elusive too, even after getting recruited, maybe its a plain activity thing but it caught my attention.

Both BrandX and Shinko are interesting choices for a kill but I still expected the mafos to target the Nobles or us the Prosecutor.

On a personal level I want to believe Asako-shinobi are telling the truth, they look relaxed in their threads posts, like not restrained by lies.



Why? It makes no sense to do that, use it soon so we can know you are still with us, free us of the doubt come on.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020 ---

What I meant with this bit is that very possibly the scum noticed some kind of message that made it kill another person to increase their numbers (classic vote stacking to get attention maybe, but we cannot keep track of those things).

BenoNacho informed you before they died that there are other masons and told you that there is a santa in game and that something weird happened N1, our recruitment is the weird thing they mentioned.
We are also not elusive, we said everything, answered every question, and explained again and again.
We were detectives, why we have all these strong roles, things about game construction and what fits and what's too much are too much and what's not necessary for the game is not a question for us, we did not wait for everyone to reveal before we said we were detectives. . All I know is were detectives and now masons.

It's not like they needed to...

Santa gifts could be pretty much anything, so yeah. Doesn't matter much either way.



Ah, the flashbacks are coming back to me now.
So regardless of their N3 target, BenoNacho would have been killed directly either by mafia or Insane Doc, or hit a PGO.

Your opinions on today's lynching targets, ShinKo?




Huh.

Would either of you mind explaining why you decided to claim Regular Townie yesterday?
If you hadn't been "forced" to hint Freeman, would you have kept the RT claim?
Do you think that would have kept the mafia away from you?

You said it's either ShinKo or Brand-X. If we had ten seconds to decide, which one would it be?

If Brand-X results are legit, then BenoNacho were killed that night by mafia. And Asako also thinks a freeman would fit with this lineup.
The other thing we're thinking is that Gruviii and Brand-X could be working together, coz, someone was recruited last night after all. And I think everyone got the freeman thing yesterday so why Gruviii are still here looks strange.
If all 3 of us are telling the truth I don't know anymore.

Can be around for 10 minutes.



This is true, unless Lawlsz protected them and accidentally killed them (assuming I. Doctor) Shinko's claim makes no sense. Something to consider.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Dont remind me of that, but if DTV makes little to no sense, Prosecutor is impossible. It can only survive by shooting scum. We didnt shoot a TP but a mafia, that automatically clear us 100%.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

Didnt make up stuff, exaggerated the events in order to get a reaction from you (one that I didnt like) but didnt lie about a single thing. Your play being extra safe makes sense if Freeman but it doesnt not to voice thoughts on developments and lurk around with posts lacking content.

Also claiming Regular Townie when Freeman is a big derp if true, thats why it seems like an improvisation on your part.

BlackTaku brought their demise on themselves btw, not going to elaborate much now cause of limited time but they just played like scum this game, do not regret lynching them and I would have done it with anyone that pulled that stunt.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020 ---

Lets be aware of Shinko too.

Ok leaving now.

What doesn't make sense? If BenoNacho were targeted and killed MS shouldn't get result on them, that or BrandX is lying about N3 results.

Edit typo

 

[Holt]

Scav and I are planning to use our secret vote in the last minute of the day.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 12, 2020 ---

We’re still waiting on a clear target

Why?

 

[Gryffindor]

No. That argument doesn't fly imo. I don't recall a time ever when Mafia passed up a freeman kill because they are lynch candidates. If anything, claiming freeman imo is way to not get lynched. If you're not mafia, the mafia know you're legit and also know odds of town taking that risk would be low. I don't see why they would hesitate to take you out.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

On this too, so much emphasis on increasing their numbers. That's a very weird thing to say, considering there'd be no reason for Mafia to assume there was another traitor. At this point, they are going for kills as much as possible, not hoping and trying to increase their numbers

It does fly lol, that is exactly what is happening. Using the events to their advantage. With everyone “claimed” they know who is what and what conditions are needed to win, like I said, if they absolutely must then we will definitely be gone. Just look at the eerie silence, they are content with what is going on.

BenoNacho informed you before they died that there are other masons and told you that there is a santa in game and that something weird happened N1, our recruitment is the weird thing they mentioned.
We are also not elusive, we said everything, answered every question, and explained again and again.
We were detectives, why we have all these strong roles, things about game construction and what fits and what's too much are too much and what's not necessary for the game is not a question for us, we did not wait for everyone to reveal before we said we were detectives. . All I know is were detectives and now masons.


If Brand-X results are legit, then BenoNacho were killed that night by mafia. And Asako also thinks a freeman would fit with this lineup.
The other thing we're thinking is that Gruviii and Brand-X could be working together, coz, someone was recruited last night after all. And I think everyone got the freeman thing yesterday so why Gruviii are still here looks strange.
If all 3 of us are telling the truth I don't know anymore.


What doesn't make sense? If BenoNacho were targeted and killed MS shouldn't get result on them, that or BrandX is lying about N3 results.

Edit typo

if we were working together then at the very least there would have been a name on that N3 result lol, I can guarantee you that.

 

[Holt]

@Brandish μ @Crescent Jinx why didn't you post the corrected results?

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

It does fly lol, that is exactly what is happening. Using the events to their advantage. With everyone “claimed” they know who is what and what conditions are needed to win, like I said, if they absolutely must then we will definitely be gone. Just look at the eerie silence, they are content with what is going on.

No it is not, do you see any votes on you? Town will always be wary about potentially lynching a freeman. It almost never happens.

Anyway, tell me the conditions they need to win. Who was targeted last night? Who is likely going next? What conditions do town need to take to win?

 

[Asako]

It does fly lol, that is exactly what is happening. Using the events to their advantage. With everyone “claimed” they know who is what and what conditions are needed to win, like I said, if they absolutely must then we will definitely be gone. Just look at the eerie silence, they are content with what is going on.


if we were working together then at the very least there would have been a name on that N3 result lol, I can guarantee you that.

Btw shino said this but with the way the game is looking like and the roles, I think freeman could fit the game so kinda trust you now, especially if gajeel was killed and zasz was santa killed by poison
Shino said all the theories we had

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Also gajeel already said there other mason in game gruviii so what you're saying is debunked

 

[Juviii]

No. That argument doesn't fly imo. I don't recall a time ever when Mafia passed up a freeman kill because they are lynch candidates. If anything, claiming freeman imo is way to not get lynched. If you're not mafia, the mafia know you're legit and also know odds of town taking that risk would be low. I don't see why they would hesitate to take you out.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

On this too, so much emphasis on increasing their numbers. That's a very weird thing to say, considering there'd be no reason for Mafia to assume there was another traitor. At this point, they are going for kills as much as possible, not hoping and trying to increase their numbers

It was stated if we survived yesterday we were gonna be lynched today. Simple. Besides what if they hinted something?

Mafia needs to leave people alive to be lynched, that also happens every game.

 

[Gryffindor]

@Brandish μ @Crescent Jinx why didn't you post the corrected results?

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

No it is not, do you see any votes on you? Town will always be wary about potentially lynching a freeman. It almost never happens.

Anyway, tell me the conditions they need to win. Who was targeted last night? Who is likely going next? What conditions do town need to take to win?

That is not true. Juviii and shinobi are the 2 most recent Freeman I remember in the game, and they were both lynched. Don’t act like it is an unlynchable role.

 

[Holt]

It was stated if we survived yesterday we were gonna be lynched today. Simple. Besides what if they hinted something?

Mafia needs to leave people alive to be lynched, that also happens every game.

It would be naive of mafia to assume things would've be that easy

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

That is not true. Juviii and shinobi are the 2 most recent Freeman I remember in the game, and they were both lynched. Don’t act like it is an unlynchable role.

Not saying it isn't, just saying the odds are very low all things considered

 

[Asako]

Not really holt, especially when there a chance they could be lynched I could see that happen

 

[Gryffindor]

It would be naive of mafia to assume things would've be that easy

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2020 ---

Not saying it isn't, just saying the odds are very low all things considered

Bruh, that literally happened in back to back games, iirc. Cmon now.

 

[Asako]

If I were mafia I could leave the claimed freeman to be lynched and go for someone confirmed or trusted instead not one to be lynched