Games Mafia Game 84 - MH Hydra - END GAME

[Copy Panda]

A long time ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: Flashback

omomo

A relatively shorter while ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: [Before the presentation] Day 2 Belsaph arc got cut short by the Vankaku

One VanPlan in the backyard later

Spoiler: [Slide 1] - Night 2 The JoJo franchise collapses

Spoiler: [Slide 2] Day 3 Blackuchi bites the dust

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To be continued...

 

[Purity of Magi]

A bit of a flashback of this game

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Basically Takuans Lynch being discussed in a nutshell

Spoiler

Confirmed townie basically yet still pointed as suspicious

Spoiler

How to throw a game

Spoiler

Deadpad talk:

How the game basically ended:

How to use logic and gain trust in Raven style

Spoiler

What have we learned?

Nothing.



Mafia game basically

Spoiler

 

[Farfalla]

Ah ok, we were actually tidy so it was easy to make the final updates. Here are the lists:

Spoiler: Roles

Santa Gifts (Permanent Role Changes):

• Mason
• Mason
• Doctor (Sane if Town)
• Spy (Sane)
• Spirit Medium

Spoiler: Actions

And yes mafia was pink just cause pink = pretty red

 

[Farfalla]

Excuse me? Where's my thank you?

Lmao I did intend to write you thx for holding my shit while freaking out as well lmao. I got carried away writing the bible tho and forgot to mention but yeah, ty, ototo

 

[Hardy]

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, I knew this would happen when I saw the few posts..... a single mafia winning because town is too lazy to spam. What a befitting ending for a Panda game, lol.

@digitaldude Thanks for being my Hydra Partner, it was fun. Shame we didn't win but we still got all the glory of taking down the Mafia Politician, ain't nobody gonna take that from us.^^

@Copy Panda and @Farfalla Thanks for this double head mafia game. Would have loved to play a large mafia game with 30+ roles but considering the activity of some players that game could have broken the host kill record we have so far. XD

Good game, everyone! Except for town for dropping the ball on the last day, lol. XD XD XD

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I dunno, Hardspeed. 10:6 isn't a 3:1 ratio, heck, it ain't even a 2:1! Even with all the strong roles town could have lost this easily after BP lynch day 1 and if traitor got recurited night 1, leaving 8 townies vs 5 mafias and a santa who had the power to end our single det with one gift and who would not hand over spy except as last gift obviously. I still think the old Santa version where he had no clue what gifts he were handing out exactly was better because a Santa can plan to keep the best town gift for last whereas with rng he can only he picks it as last gift. Basically if town had a bad day, and there were many games with town just lynching towns over and over the first three days, game would have ended day 3 after a town lynch with 5 towns 5 mafia and a santa, that would have been reaaaally lame and a host should take care that this cannot happen and town has enough chances to get some mafia.

I mean if the 3:1 (or 2.9:1 or 2.8:1 or 2.7:1, you get what I mean, not 1.6:1 for a 16 role game) is not needed why even bother putting it in the rules, you know?
The naive traitor and traitor were a nice idea but then it would have been good to see that the BG died a naive traitor so we could guess the real size of mafia more easily. I couldn't imagine a game with 7 scum aka 4 mafia + 2 traitors + santa, so I always thought we had 3 mafias in the game overall and that is also why I thought dying was fine as long as we take down gruviii because then only ONE mafia scum would remain to be lynched if the 2nd traitor had been recruited and not TWO plus if the 2nd traitor had not been recruited then gruviii would have been the last mafia thus ending the game with town win after killing him with our VT kill action. Which is what I was going for though considering Brand X behaviour I thought town still had to do a lynch next day but that would not have really lessen our glory that much.
And then Scari did not vote and suddenly we had not only Brand X but also Scari as potential scum just after we died.......

If I had known that 3 mafias were still around, gruviii, brand x and scari, due SonofSin dying as naive traitor I would have not wanted to die that day and played differently and maybe digi would have done so too. But so I thought town was on the winner road already vs 1 max 2 mafia scumbags left.

And I agree with @GrySun that the naive traitor BG usually wouldn't really be seen as a "full town" because a BG would be careful about using his protection role in case of a 2nd or even 3rd killing party besides Mafia thus increasing his chances to die to insane doc or serial killer. I think Mafia should have been 3 roles but then with a strong one among them, like exchange pirate for janitor for example, and then the game would have still been very tense with ??? kills and mafia arguing whenever to use janitor to hide town roles or to use robber to gain an extra vote for themselves. Heck, if Mafia Robber had made it to day 3 with a vote then town was already done for! 6 town votes vs 6 mafia votes vs 1 Santa vote! On day 3! That's just too much of an advantage to speedwin as Mafia if everything were to go right.

Thankfully it didn't thus we made it till this dayphase where town lost due inactivity (lolololol) and got robbed (heh) of the awesome 2 vs 1 last day debate battle as we had a doc saving PomSun from being poisoned but if they had gone for scari for whatever reason n1 or n2 and town kept lynching townies then day 3 would have been the final day and even for 16 roles that is a very fastforward end to a game.

I am just glad that didn't happen, lol, town would be so mad losing with 5 townies alive and poor Santa never got to his 4th present because mafia was so good and town so bad. This game was overall fun and the ending was very panda-like almost as if he had planned for town to forget about the 3 post rule/votelock rule, I wouldn't put it past him tbh.
Still means my and @Asako 's game is the sole game townie actually won this year, lol. XD

With that train of thought, mafia is outnumbered 4 (and a half?) vs 11, with town having very strong roles. Sounds unfair, doesn't it?

 

[Raven]

i think having traitors in townies with confirmable roles out weight anything townies that might have.

hence Mafia > Townies

even if outnumbered

 

[Hardy]

i think having traitors in townies with confirmable roles out weight anything townies that might have.

hence Mafia > Townies

even if outnumbered

How is that the case here if the fact that it was confirmable is what fucked scav? He got confirmed as a noble and the moment he became a mafia and lost his ability people jumped on him.

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On a more general note I think doing it with a prosecutor, vigilante, jesus, etc is too much though yeah

 

[Raven]

How is that the case here if the fact that it was confirmable is what fucked scav? He got confirmed as a noble and the moment he became a mafia and lost his ability people jumped on him.

It's fucked him but he still wasted townies time plus he choose to reveal his role early and confirming himself as noble. If he did it very late in the game and Mafia targetted him, He would still be the reason why townies is doomed.

This game should have ended up with townies wining but people were afk.

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Townies were wining because of mafia bad playing^ forgot to add that post

 

[Hardy]

It's fucked him but he still wasted townies time plus he choose to reveal his role early and confirming himself as noble. If he did it very late in the game and Mafia targetted him, He would still be the reason why townies is doomed.

This game should have ended up with townies wining but people were afk.

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Townies were wining because of mafia bad playing^ forgot to add that post

It didn't win any time at all, for some reason you guys were fixated on digirye (and juv/gryf but that one is more understandable as the recruiter literally died going for them).

If scav the traitor didn't actively try to kill me day 2 and used his ability, we would had won by night 4. Lots of ifs, not what happened. Brand-x wasn't a sure lynch for the last day anyway.

Townies weren't good, that's unfair.

 

[Raven]

It didn't win any time at all, for some reason you guys were fixated on digirye (and juv/gryf but that one is more understandable as the recruiter literally died going for them).

If scav the traitor didn't actively try to kill me day 2 and used his ability, we would had won by night 4. Lots of ifs, not what happened. Brand-x wasn't a sure lynch for the last day anyway.

Townies weren't good, that's unfair.

I didn't say that townies played good, They played as bad or even worse.

If you didn't get lynched like the way you did and M.P revealed his existence very early then i guess Mafia could have stomped. Given that a noble would die instead of you.

 

[Hardy]

Given that a noble would die instead of you.

It was the prosecutor that for some reason was dying without using their ability.

 

[Raven]

I lost my 1st game because of a troll townie.
1 lost my 2nd game and got lynched on D1.
3rd game, I lost because of afk townie.

 

[GrySun]

I lost my 1st game because of a troll townie.

Nah iirc you lost your 1st one because you lynched lawl instead of the last mafia.

 

[Hardy]

Nah iirc you lost your 1st one because you lynched lawl instead of the last mafia.

It was the opposite, lawl got tired of her and trolled her.

 

[Raven]

Nah iirc you lost your 1st one because you lynched lawl instead of the last mafia.

i think you have memory problems.

 

[GrySun]

It was the opposite, lawl got tired of her and trolled her.

Prolly tired of her because she distrusted him

 

[Raven]

It was the opposite, lawl got tired of her and trolled her.

Half true, He was kinda of upset that i wanted to lynch him but i was fake claiming so Sam don't kill me early in the day before i can votelock, I made Sam believe that i doubted lawt so he would go for someone else.

He got with an argument with sons of daws in the last 2 min and decided to troll after it. I got pissed because i wanted to double lynch but he ruined it.

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I also got pissed because of the time that me and everyone has wasted. It was long 10 days phases and 9 nights. And made grfindoor and sam getting all the credit while them being lucky lol.

 

[Hardy]

Gryf is the goat wdym

 

[GrySun]

Gryf is the goat wdym

Nah the boi fumbles on a daily basis

 

[Raven]

@Hardy i just noticed that you got lynched in this game just like i got lynched in that grysun game.

Karma.

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[GrySun]

Btw @Hardy why did you pull that move D1 on Demon? Pretty bad choice, got you lynched(albeit barely). Like, I didn‘t get this game half of mafia‘s decisions, that weird Demon lynch included. You did a 180 for no reason, Haven wasn‘t even your teammate.

 

[Hardy]

Btw @Hardy why did you pull that move D1 on Demon? Pretty bad choice, got you lynched(albeit barely). Like, I didn‘t get this game half of mafia‘s decisions, that weird Demon lynch included. You did a 180 for no reason, Haven wasn‘t even your teammate.

I actually wanted to look nice and make an extension while voting for the biggest threat but fucked up. It wasn't a mafia move to make, I still don't know why I got voted.

 

[Raven]

told you karma.