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Mard Geer VS Hades


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Changing my answer. Hades rd 2
 

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Natsu and Gray never tanked thorns though, they evaded them or broke them with magic before contract. And Mard never used high AOE thorns against them, simultaneously from beneath ground, unlike he did against CSK. He used thorns one by one so they could dodge, or visibly so they could destroy.

Only CSK actually got stabbed by them, and it went through CSK like hot knife through butter. It would've straight up killed him if CSK wasn't immortal himself.

If Hades get hit by it, it will go through him and do lethal damage. Hades has to dodge them or destroy them before contact. Unless GH heals lethal damage too. If GH heals lethal damage, and MM is restricted, Mard literally can't win
Yeah I forgot what he did to CSK... I admit it could pierce even Hades. But like you said, we don't know if GH could regenerate him, and Hades should be able to destroy the thorns before contact with his arsenal of spells. I'm mostly on his side because of his overwhelming offense, especially with Devil's Eye and Nemesis, but I admit it's debatable if Mard could keep dodging and blocking until Hades runs out of energy.
 

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Yeah I forgot what he did to CSK... I admit it could pierce even Hades. But like you said, we don't know if GH could regenerate him, and Hades should be able to destroy the thorns before contact with his arsenal of spells. I'm mostly on his side because of his overwhelming offense, especially with Devil's Eye and Nemesis, but I admit it's debatable if Mard could keep dodging and blocking until Hades runs out of energy.
Hades would never run out of energy tho, that's the point of GH. It's basically an infinite source of magic power, a non ideal replica of FH. The one on clock here is Mard, because his curse power is limited.

If GH can heal lethal damage and MM is restricted, then there is no way Mard can beat Hades.
If GH can't heal lethal damage, then it's a tough choice. I'd go with Mard
 

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Hades would never run out of energy tho, that's the point of GH. It's basically an infinite source of magic power, a non ideal replica of FH. The one on clock here is Mard, because his curse power is limited.

If GH can heal lethal damage and MM is restricted, then there is no way Mard can beat Hades.
If GH can't heal lethal damage, then it's a tough choice. I'd go with Mard
And even if Grimoire Law is restricted and GH can't heal lethal damage, I still go with Hades high-diff, but both our points of view are respectable. It was fun exchanging our opinions!
 

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MM and GL are both featless. They won't do anything.

With MM being a non-factor, thorns are the only thing Mard has in his offense, and they aren't exactly the most lethal things. Hades takes those all day baby. What made Mard a threat was his endurance and dura.
 

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Changing my answer for situation 1 since I thought "without heart" LITERALLY meant the heart wouldn't exist, making Hades as drained as when Natsu defeated him with his bare fists. But now that I understand people just mean not USING the heart to get back up or activate Devil's Eye, I wouldn't say Mard wins low-diff, but rather mid-diff.
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Natsu and Gray never tanked thorns though, they evaded them or broke them with magic before contract. And Mard never used high AOE thorns against them, simultaneously from beneath ground, unlike he did against CSK. He used thorns one by one so they could dodge, or visibly so they could destroy.
Actually, now that I remember, Mard DID use some AOE Thorns against Sting, Rogue and Natsu, but he still didn't manage to stab them. I think the reason is because Thorns aren't very accurate, they succesfully pierced CSK because he was huge and slow, while human mages are much smaller and faster targets.

I know Hades is surely not as fast as Tartaros Natsu or Gray, but he does have a lot of versatile spells to destroy the Thorns he can't dodge before contact.
 
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R1 : Mard Geer. I think Hadès was a very powerful wizard at his time and I do respect him. But I think, Mard Geer in on another level in every stats, even without Ethernous Form.
R2 : Well, the demon's eye and Heart are the same application of Tenro Tree for Fairy Tail's members : a magic boost and preserve them to die. But, even if Hadès is stronger, I put Mard Geer still above by some gap. So, as Hadès can't die, it will be a draw by mismatch, until Mard Geer uses Memento Mori to erase him form existence. It is a Malefice created to destroy Zeleph, an immortal deity, and victims of this curse is neither living or dying. They are erase or imprison in an another Plan Dimension. Mard Geer for the win.
 

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R1 : Mard Geer. I think Hadès was a very powerful wizard at his time and I do respect him. But I think, Mard Geer in on another level in every stats, even without Ethernous Form.
R2 : Well, the demon's eye and Heart are the same application of Tenro Tree for Fairy Tail's members : a magic boost and preserve them to die. But, even if Hadès is stronger, I put Mard Geer still above by some gap. So, as Hadès can't die, it will be a draw by mismatch, until Mard Geer uses Memento Mori to erase him form existence. It is a Malefice created to destroy Zeleph, an immortal deity, and victims of this curse is neither living or dying. They are erase or imprison in an another Plan Dimension. Mard Geer for the win.
I know newer Fairy Tail villains usually SEEM stronger than older ones, in fact I was almost convinced of Mard's superiority when I saw one of the nine demon gates had Hades' soul and was still weaker than Mard. But if you re-watch fights closely, here's what you can see:


-Franmalth didn't use any of Hades' most powerful spells (Amaterasu 100, Katsu, Devil's Eye, Nemesis, etc) and didn't have the Grimoire Heart, plus he didn't have HALF of Hades' durability. He was just a pale shadow of a Base Hades.

-Mard may have survived a fight with CSK, but he mostly just dodged his attacks until Lucy ran out of magic. He only blocked ONE direct hit, which wasn't CSK's most powerful attack, and he only hurt CSK ONCE with his Thorns, but CSK easily regenerated. It's still a great feat, but not enough to put Mard on CSK's level.

-Sure, Mard has Memento Mori to obliterate any target, but people forget Hades has Grimoire Law, which can ALSO 1-shot anything and has the same casting time. GL may not be able to obliterate Zeref, but it's still enough to kill Mard Geer, and it has MUCH more range and zone-effect than MM since Fairy Law almost wiped out an entire ARMY (and GL is pretty much the same spell), while MM only affected a 15 per 15 feet zone while Mard was 30 feet away.

-The Tartaros GUILD in general may be stronger than Grimoire Heart, but that doesn't necessarily mean the same goes for their masters. Even though Fairy Tail members grew stronger with time, it took roughly 1-2 of them to beat each Kin of Purgatory OR Demon Gate, but Natsu + Gray + Erza + Lucy + Wendy + Laxus weren't able to beat Hades until his heart got destroyed, while Mard was beat by Natsu + Slayer advantage Gray. The master/members gaps are different, Hades could wipe out his own guild if he wanted, while Mard would already have difficulties fighting Silver. To sum it all: Stronger guild ≠ stronger master.

-LFD Natsu "beating" Hades means nothing, Hades could've wiped out the whole Team Natsu + Laxus with an Amaterasu 100, but its blast is like 10 times bigger than his whole ship so it would've destroyed his heart too. And even IF Natsu was really too fast for him, Hades did have opportunities to quickly turn the tables when he immobilized Natsu's fists or when Natsu was charging his final roar, but he did nothing. You can tell he was just toying with Natsu to see the full extent of his strength.


Mashima is good at making it LOOK like some characters are stronger than others, but once we break these illusions, the final result can be quite surprising...
 
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