Fantasy Mercophobia vs Igneel

[WoWfan]

Wanting justice is not succumbing to rage and going crazy, that is revenge, he clearly knew what he was doing and had no intention to kill when he had every opportunity to do so, he had self restraint and if he went all out, the the Sabertooth building and more would have been destroyed

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

So Acno also wanted Justice. Justice for against a race who killed his family and a family. He was running on POF as well against Igneel.

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Spoiler: Doesn't look Sting is holding back here

 

[Seven777]

Sting didn't attempt to get justice, his attack was driven by pure anger, as anyone who's read the manga would know.

Spoiler

Extreme rage, as you all can plainly see.

Anger is a source of PoF, it has always been a source of PoF, even since the beginning of the manga. PoF being restricted to positive feelings is head canon, absolutely nothing in the manga states this, and it's provably false, even by WoW's own argument. Acnologia has anger over his family's death, therefore he has PoF, as much as Igneel did anyway.

 

[WoWfan]

No he just wants to kill everything until he is satisfied, that is beyond revenge at this point, justice does not work like that, it is like saying you justify the holocaust

There is a difference, anger for the sake of others is more benevolent, anger for the sake of hatred or self interest is not and is not PoF. Mavis stated this, as I am sure there are a few other sources would confirm this as well. Genocide is not a factor in this, even love is the Source of all magic, which would reflect positive feelings too, or curses that use negative emotions. This is canon in the manga.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I provided you panel proving Acnologia was fighting for justice. So he was running on POF against Igneel. In his eyes Igneel was another dragon responsible for his parent's death.

 

[WoWfan]

So you are justifying the holocaust? Because that is basically what Acnologia was doing in FT world

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Holocost or not. In his his mind he was fighting for justice. He viewed dragons responsible for his parents death. So he was on POF against Igneel. He was just a dragon responsible for his family death.

 

[WoWfan]

So you do justify the holocaust, PoF does not support this, it is for the sake of others, not one’s self interest, which is what Acno was doing. The dragon was dead yet did not stop so it is not justice at this point but mass slaughter

 

[Seven777]

No one has to justify a holocaust, what a ridiculously absurd straw man argument. It's the power of feelings, not the power of facts, if Acnologia thinks its justice then its PoF.

Oh and Mavis never said PoF has to be for the sake of others, she simply said that bonds can make you stronger(Acno had bonds to his family and that little girl too btw), she does not exclude negative emotions from PoF in that statement, nor does she state that bonds are the only way to have PoF. Anger is PoF, this is a fact of the manga, always has been, as you can clearly see from Sting who acted out of pure anger. Erza's first instance of PoF was from sorrow as well.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He was fighting for others. He fought for dead parents and sonya. Yes he was on pof.

 

[WoWfan]

He was fighting for himself, his family was not murdered by Igneel or any other dragon except for the ones that were actually responsible.

 

[Seven777]

Irrelevant, its power of feelings, not power of facts. Whether or not Igneel is responsible, If Acnologia blames him and all dragons for his families death and feels anger towards them, then it's PoF.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Irrelevant. He blame all dragons for death of his parents. He was running on POF against Igneel.

 

[WoWfan]

That is not how power of feelings works, it is the feelings you have for others that turn to strength, not the feelings for one self which Acno was doing, so he had no one to blame but himself.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Acnologia was also fighting for others. His Parents and Sonya. He was on POF against Igneel.

 

[WoWfan]

No, it would be understandable for that one dragon, but now he is doing it for himself as he just wants destruction for everything, he doesn’t care as he kills humans too

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

It doesn't matter whether he killed one dragon or hundreds. He held every dragon responsible for his parents death. What matters is what he thinks. Igneel in his eyes was just another dragon that responsible for his family death. He was on POF just as much as Igneel was.

 

[LaGOAT]

No, Natsu clearly did not get driven by revenge, he did not set out to kill Rogue, he did not see him suffer, he was going to stop him from succeeding. PoF is used when you are fighting for the sake of others, not for the sake of making oneself feel better at the expense of others. END possesses Curse power is powered by Negative Emotions, two different things.


No, Acno was fighting for malevolent revenge at one point, but now he is just killing just to kill for no reason. Sting just attacked Jimena because he killed Lector, Sting did not kill Jiemma, he did not enjoy it, made him suffer, torturing the ones he cared about nor started killing others that did not kill lector, he is not that kind of person

Bro natsu was emotional (cried) when future Lucy was killed that was POF momemnt. Natsu was fighting for the sake of his friends future not just for himself stop it. Exactly my point negative emotions till POF. POF isn’t strictly positive it can be also negative. Gray des was in POF when fighting END sting was too etc.

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No one has to justify a holocaust, what a ridiculously absurd straw man argument. It's the power of feelings, not the power of facts

Oh and Mavis never said PoF has to be for the sake of others, she simply said that bonds can make you stronger(Acno had bonds to his family and that little girl too btw), she does not exclude negative emotions from PoF in that statement, nor does she state that bonds are the only way to have PoF. Anger is PoF, this is a fact of the manga, always has been, as you can clearly see from Sting who acted out of pure anger. Erza's first instance of PoF was from sorrow as well.

I was dying when I read this

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That is not how power of feelings works, it is the feelings you have for others that turn to strength, not the feelings for one self which Acno was doing, so he had no one to blame but himself.

Until u show us a panel of what ur saying then it’s headcanon so far u haven’t provided proof of Ur claims and expect us to believe what ur saying

 

[WoWfan]

And that is why he doesn’t have PoF because it does not respond that way of thinking. It is more for the preservation of life rather than taking it away. Go to chapter 296, Sting and Rogue were also fighting with anger too, with power they stated to kill dragons and for their cats, yet lost to natsu, because the former were doing it for the wrong reasons while Natsu fights for his friends. between others that makes one strong Igneel has more reason to have PoF than Acno since he is legitimately fighting to preserve the lives of the humans and his son, and taking responsibility for his kins’ actions. Acno is fighting for the sake of destruction of all things, he has no bonds, so he doesn’t have anything to give him PoF

 

[Axiomus]

Sting had PoF, and his POF when he attacked Jiemma was out of vengeance for Lector. This is no different than Acnologia wanting vengeance on dragons for his family and friends. Power of feelings just means turning emotions into power. Every emotion will work, not just ones related to your friends. Also, Mavis never said that you can only use power of feelings with emotions. She said that if there was one power that could surpass physical might, it was the power of feelings. She said that a guild is a place where you can cultivate those feelings. She never said you can't use power of feelings from negative emotions.

There is absolutely no reason to assume that Igneel was using PoF. The dialogue simply doesn't imply it. Nowhere in Igneel's speech did he make a mentioning to protecting his friends or anything like that. He just said he wanted to kill Acnologia. You are basically saying that just because Igneel is a good guy that he must be using POF, and therefore his feats are invalid. That's such a silly argument.

Finally, even if we exclude Igneel ripping of Acnologia's arm (which is a legitimate feat despite the ridiculous attempt to downplay it), Igneel still did way better against Acnologia than Mercphobia did against Natsu. Acnologia had to fight Igneel for 20 minutes. Both Acnologia and Igneel was bloody and battered by the end of it. Natsu basically punked Mercphobia. Mercphobia lasted 4 hits, and could barely do any damage to Natsu.