Discussion Merlin

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Merlin is pretty shady...but I doubt she's the one who freed the vampires. Edinburgh was completely wiped out, they lost all their holy knights, as most of them were turned into ghouls. So if she's the one who did it, then it backfired really bad, an entire kingdom seems to have been destroyed and for what? To gather data on Escanor and Mel? I find it hard to believe.
I gotta agree with kkck here, the most likely candidate is Fraudrin. Since the vampires were sealed off by the demons, then it makes sense that a demon would know how to break their seal. As to why, well this could have been his first attempt to get rid of the sins. Although the vampires didn't stand much of a chance.However the timeline has these events happen 12 years ago, and we know Dreyfus got possessed 10 years ago. In Danafor we saw that Fraudrin was still affected by Mel's attack, so he might not have been the one who did it.
Alternatively it could be someone else, maybe even Merlin's master, or an accident of some sort.

 

[Holt]

I could see Merlin freeing them to gather data/test subjects.

Well that's the thing. If she did free them to use as test subjects, why didn't she do so afterwards?

 

[Gallon]

Well that's the thing. If she did free them to use as test subjects, why didn't she do so afterwards?

She used Orlondi's eye as a test subject.

I'm with kkck on this one.

 

[Holt]

Well I meant at the time she freed them, hypothetically speaking. I share the same opinion as well

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I just thought of something. Merlin can't use healing magic right? In Bastard!! a manga that deals with magic the main character, Dark Schneider which can be seen as the greatest wizard of all times specializes in fire spells, and can't use a single ice spell. It turns out that he's the son of Satan himself, and this explains why he can't use ice spells.
I can imagine Merlin as a half demon being unable to use healing magic like the druids because of that fact.

 

[ShadowHeart]

I just thought of something. Merlin can't use healing magic right? In Bastard!! a manga that deals with magic the main character, Dark Schneider which can be seen as the greatest wizard of all times specializes in fire spells, and can't use a single ice spell. It turns out that he's the son of Satan himself, and this explains why he can't use ice spells.
I can imagine Merlin as a half demon being unable to use healing magic like the druids because of that fact.

The only way I can see Merlin being the Demon King's daughter is Mel is not his son.

 

[Incognitop]

I just thought of something. Merlin can't use healing magic right? In Bastard!! a manga that deals with magic the main character, Dark Schneider which can be seen as the greatest wizard of all times specializes in fire spells, and can't use a single ice spell. It turns out that he's the son of Satan himself, and this explains why he can't use ice spells.
I can imagine Merlin as a half demon being unable to use healing magic like the druids because of that fact.

well this is interesting. You would think as powerful as Merlin is, she could atleast use some minor healing spell, even if it is nowhere near as powerful as a druid spell.

Maybe a demon half prevents her from accessing any white magic per say, like you said.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

well this is interesting. You would think as powerful as Merlin is, she could atleast use some minor healing spell, even if it is nowhere near as powerful as a druid spell.

Maybe a demon half prevents her from accessing any white magic per say, like you said.

Yes it's a matter of affinity, someone who is dark by nature might not be able to use white magic and vise versa.
It's a bit too cliche, but NnT isn't exactly the most original thing around so it wouldn't be impossible.
Most of Merlin's spells have a relation to the demon world, perfect cube is the perfect example. So I wouldn't be surprised that she had some sort of affinity to demon magic, in opposition to druid magic that she can't use. And that imo rules out the possibility that she's related to the goddess clan.

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The only way I can see Merlin being the Demon King's daughter is Mel is not his son.

Why does it have to be the demon king? It can be a random demon, I was just giving an example with DS and Satan.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think she would have noticed the awakening of the Commandments if she were a Demon. She'd probably be known by them too.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I think she would have noticed the awakening of the Commandments if she were a Demon. She'd probably be known by them too.

If she was the daughter of the demon king, maybe they would know her. If not then I fail to see how they'd know about her.
We'd have to assume that half demons are as strong as a full demon(Mel) which I really doubt.Which is why she might not have noticed their awakening.

 

[kkck]

I have a hard time seeing merlin as a half demon. Also, merlin makes the point that only the druids can heal because of their connection to nature. With that in mind it is not only merlin that can't heal... Anyone without druid/goddess blood can't heal nor has the capacity to learn how to do this.

As far as merlin's race goes... Maybe she is a human who got cursed with longevity? Although that wouldn't make her less human unless its a species changing curse. What other species and monsters appear in arthurian legend? Maybe she is from the river? In arthurian legend you have the lady in the river who gives arthur a sword. Maybe she is that?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I have a hard time seeing merlin as a half demon. Also, merlin makes the point that only the druids can heal because of their connection to nature. With that in mind it is not only merlin that can't heal... Anyone without druid/goddess blood can't heal nor has the capacity to learn how to do this.

As far as merlin's race goes... Maybe she is a human who got cursed with longevity? Although that wouldn't make her less human unless its a species changing curse. What other species and monsters appear in arthurian legend? Maybe she is from the river? In arthurian legend you have the lady in the river who gives arthur a sword. Maybe she is that?

If we go by the arthurian legends where Merlin appears , Merlin is a cambion, which is the offspring of a succubus(female) or incubus(male). In his case his father was an incubus, while his mother was human. And her name was Aldan.
Incubi are by essence demons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin

...Later writers expanded the account to produce a fuller image of the wizard. Merlin's traditional biography casts him as a cambion: born of a mortal woman, sired by an incubus, the non-human from whom he inherits his supernatural powers and abilities.

The lady of the lake was Merlin's apprentice, and she tricked him in order to learn his secrets. Her name is Vivian is some versions.So she's kinda already accounted for.

 

[kkck]

Ahh,i see. In this case it would be extremely unlikely that merlin's potential sucubus half would be the same as mel though. If it is the case odds are that the succubus will be a different species from demons. Maybe related but still different. It wouldn't be weird if they were at some point subordinate to the demon clan, as the vampires were. Though considering merlin alone we could make the case they were more powerful than the vampire clan.

 

[ShadowHeart]

So of the 5 major races 4 of them are part of the Sins. I just can't see the author not making Merlin a Goddess to comple the set.

 

[oxtopus]

So of the 5 major races 4 of them are part of the Sins. I just can't see the author not making Merlin a Goddess to comple the set.

elizabeth is the goddess representative in the group.

 

[ShadowHeart]

elizabeth is the goddess representative in the group.

Elizabeth is not a member of the Sins and she's only an Apostle of the Goddess.

 

[kiriya]

I don't think Merlin has demon blood. In the fanbook, it says that she was the one to create the Goddess Ambers, an item that the druids also used back in the cave training arc to store all those monsters. The druids worship the Goddess clan - I'm not sure if they'd be too keen on using a thing that was invented by a member of the Demon clan, who are the Goddesses' enemies. Also, if she had demon blood, it would be really weird for her to make something that could backfire on her, wouldn't it? I mean, she could get sealed herself.

 

[Holt]

I don't think Merlin has demon blood. In the fanbook, it says that she was the one to create the Goddess Ambers, an item that the druids also used back in the cave training arc to store all those monsters. The druids worship the Goddess clan - I'm not sure if they'd be too keen on using a thing that was invented by a member of the Demon clan, who are the Goddesses' enemies. Also, if she had demon blood, it would be really weird for her to make something that could backfire on her, wouldn't it? I mean, she could get sealed herself.

Merlin also made the balor's eye or somehow got it and she even uses demon related techniques like perfect cube. Merlin like to dabble in different stuff. The other time we saw here taking a vampire eye for experiments or to use in some way. I don't think we can say Merlin is x or y based on what she does. We probably need to wait for some manga confirmation either from her or another character who could know.

 

[kiriya]

Merlin also made the balor's eye or somehow got it and she even uses demon related techniques like perfect cube. Merlin like to dabble in different stuff. The other time we saw here taking a vampire eye for experiments or to use in some way. I don't think we can say Merlin is x or y based on what she does. We probably need to wait for some manga confirmation either from her or another character who could know.

That's different, though. Balor's Power Eye and Perfect Cube aren't really things that can backfire in the same way as the Goddess Amber can. If she had demon blood and screwed up with the Goddess Amber, she'd get sealed, and she probably wouldn't be able to get out - Mel had to go full demon to break out, and even then that was tough. That means that the amber could be used as a weapon against her too, which would be really disadvantageous. It'd also probably make it really hard to use, because it's possible that it could also turn on her and seal her with the thing that she's trying to seal.

On the other hand, if she screwed up with the power eye, well.... nothing would probably really happen? I mean, it seems like it's just an object that lets you judge power levels so far... though it wouldn't surprise me if it was like. embued with the magic or soul of balor or something complicated like that. Either way, it's not as directly dangerous to her as the Goddess Amber would be if she had demon blood, because messing up with it probably wouldn't cause her any harm.

Other than that, though, I agree. Merlin's really shady and she's hiding a lot, so pretty much everything is just speculation... I hope we find out what she is soon, it's getting really interesting.

 

[kkck]

Can't the goddess amber be used to seal anyone or anything to begin with? We saw the goddess ambers the druids used for training and it seemed like there were varied non demon creatures within them. Dragons, spirits and whatnot. It is entirely possible goddess amber could be custom made or can generally seal more abstract "evil" as in not only what is physically manifested in power (such as demon powers which has a dark connotation to it) but also feelings of more generic aggression.