Discussion Merlin

[ShadowHeart]

Could Morgan Le Fey be Merlin master and prehaps even the strongest Goddess?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Could Morgan Le Fey be Merlin master and prehaps even the strongest Goddess?

Merlin is well Merlin. The gender swap aside, we even have her working with Arthur just like in the legends, so so far it's rather faithful to the arthurian legends.
Morgan le Fay according to the legends is Arthur's half sister, from his mother Igraine. So that would make Arthur and Merlin in the manga siblings....yeah not sure if it should happen, given that Arthur likes Merlin.
Although it is worth noting that Morgan seduces her brother in the legends, to have his son who's called Mordred. In "La morte d'Arthur" Mordred and Arthur kill each other in the end.
....But we never know with Nakaba.Incest ftw.

 

[Incognitop]

Merlin is well Merlin. The gender swap aside, we even have her working with Arthur just like in the legends, so so far it's rather faithful to the arthurian legends.
Morgan le Fay according to the legends is Arthur's half sister, from his mother Igraine. So that would make Arthur and Merlin in the manga siblings....yeah not sure if it should happen, given that Arthur likes Merlin.
Although it is worth noting that Morgan seduces her brother in the legends, to have his son who's called Mordred. In "La morte d'Arthur" Mordred and Arthur kill each other in the end.
....But we never know with Nakaba.Incest ftw.

I doubt we will get an incest route.

What I think might happen is that Merlin will reveal she didn't just stumble upon Arthur and decide to teach him.
She may have been secretly grooming him from his birth or something.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I doubt we will get an incest route.

What I think might happen is that Merlin will reveal she didn't just stumble upon Arthur and decide to teach him.
She may have been secretly grooming him from his birth or something.

Yes and all based on Bartra's prediction. It's quite possible I would say.

 

[ShadowHeart]

I doubt we will get an incest route.

What I think might happen is that Merlin will reveal she didn't just stumble upon Arthur and decide to teach him.
She may have been secretly grooming him from his birth or something.

You think she's the reason why Excalibar appeared out nowhere?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Re: Your favourite Sin

I have never really perceived merlin as ambiguous to be honest. To me she seems every bit as good as the other sins for the most part. I mean, what has she done that makes her ambiguous? She took away mel's power because she thought there was genuine risk of him obliterating another country, she seems to have raised arthur so he could lead the world, she saved the kings life... She is sneaky but none of it really adds up to merlin being a questionably character in this context.

Gowther is different but I wouldn't say he is "ambiguous" either. Gowther is amoral, he is literally unable to grasp emotions to an extent.

There's something fishy going on with her and the ten commandments, and of course the demon king. It's even speculated that she made Balor's eye for the demons. That makes her ambiguous. And even now we don't know where her true allegiance lies, is it with the sins? Or Camelot? Or maybe the demons...
Yeah and that's why he has a better chance of being guilty, and he won't even realize that what he did is bad since he has no emotions or values...

 

[kkck]

Re: Your favourite Sin

There's something fishy going on with her and the ten commandments, and of course the demon king. It's even speculated that she made Balor's eye for the demons. That makes her ambiguous. And even now we don't know where her true allegiance lies, is it with the sins? Or Camelot? Or maybe the demons...
Yeah and that's why he has a better chance of being guilty, and he won't even realize that what he did is bad since he has no emotions or values...

Well, merascylla mentioned that they would be able to tell pl if they had balor's power eye. That suggests that those were a thing 3000 years ago. So unless merlin was alive and capable of making such a thing 3000 years ago it sounds unlikely that she would have anything to do with those. 3000 years is a long time for all races, several times what average fairies and demons live.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Re: Your favourite Sin

Well, merascylla mentioned that they would be able to tell pl if they had balor's power eye. That suggests that those were a thing 3000 years ago. So unless merlin was alive and capable of making such a thing 3000 years ago it sounds unlikely that she would have anything to do with those. 3000 years is a long time for all races, several times what average fairies and demons live.

Well she claims she made them. Was it the same item 3000 years ago? I'm more of the idea that the ones Mera talked about were the real deal, it was actually Balor's eye, while the ones Merlin made are replicas. But still that remains a possibility, given we don't know her age or race. So she might have been alive 3000 years ago.
My point was that she could have some ties to the demons or is simply fascinated by them. So that makes her more ambiguous in my eyes than the good sins like King or Ban or anyone else other than her and Gowther.

 

[Gallon]

Re: Your favourite Sin

She said she made it for a royal family, which is likely the Demon King's.

 

[kkck]

Re: Your favourite Sin

Well she claims she made them. Was it the same item 3000 years ago? I'm more of the idea that the ones Mera talked about were the real deal, it was actually Balor's eye, while the ones Merlin made are replicas. But still that remains a possibility, given we don't know her age or race. So she might have been alive 3000 years ago.
My point was that she could have some ties to the demons or is simply fascinated by them. So that makes her more ambiguous in my eyes than the good sins like King or Ban or anyone else other than her and Gowther.

Merlin seems to lack certain crucial information about demons, to me that makes it a tad unlikely for her to have been around 3000 years ago. Of course, she could have been around 3000 years and never really met any of them. However if she was active and had some measure of power it would make sense that she knew more about the commandments, such as their decrees and power. Also worth noting, her lifespan would be extremely unusual if she was around 3000 years ago. Mel has already lived several times the actual lifespan of a demon, fairies live on average around 1300 years IIRC... The only guys around who seem to normally have the required lifespans are specifically the fairy king and maybe giants.

I don't think a fascination with demons is something that should be taken as an indication of potential treachery or ambiguity. Even if she actually was part demon it shouldn't be taken as indication of that. It's not like being of a race or having curiosity about one would make her evil. I doubt demons are normally inherently evil, at least meliodas is evidence of that. Overall merlin has been exclusively a positive force in the manga, we have never seen her do anything maliciously.

 

[ShadowHeart]

If Merlin is not a part of the Goddess clan which species do you think she's is? I originally thought a Succubus but that's a demon taking female human form. I'm really struggling thinking what species she is if not a Goddess.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

For me if she's not a Goddess, then she's a Cambion like in the tales, born from an incubus(the male version of succubus) and a human. Cure angel comes from the demon realm, so clearly there are more species in there other than the regular demons.

 

[ShadowHeart]

For me if she's not a Goddess, then she's a Cambion like in the tales, born from an incubus(the male version of succubus) and a human. Cure angel comes from the demon realm, so clearly there are more species in there other than the regular demons.

Ain't they kinda still part of the demon clan? I thought in the legends Merlin father is Lucifer or is that what the people believed?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Ain't they kinda still part of the demon clan? I thought in the legends Merlin father is Lucifer or is that what the people believed?

Yes succubus/incubus is a demon who mostly feeds on human's energy during intercourse. The way they reproduce is by having sex with humans.A child born of that union is called a Cambion. In the folklore Merlin is the child of an incubi, I don't think it was ever said it was Lucifer.
You're prolly mistaking it with the manga, since Merlin's ST is called "Morning Star Aldan. Aldan is actually the name of Merlin's mother in the folklore, while "Morning Star" is the epithet of "Lucifer", the angel who rebelled against god, and is also the other name of the planet Venus which can be sometimes seen during the day.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Yes succubus/incubus is a demon who mostly feeds on human's energy during intercourse. The way they reproduce is by having sex with humans.A child born of that union is called a Cambion. In the folklore Merlin is the child of an incubi, I don't think it was ever said it was Lucifer.
You're prolly mistaking it with the manga, since Merlin's ST is called "Morning Star Aldan. Aldan is actually the name of Merlin's mother in the folklore, while "Morning Star" is the epithet of "Lucifer", the angel who rebelled against god, and is also the other name of the planet Venus which can be sometimes seen during the day.

Hmm if Merlin is a cambion that make's her a part of the demon clan. So she can't be one since we know the sins are of different races. It's the people who believed Lucifer to be Merlin father that's what It says on Wikipedia.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Hmm if Merlin is a cambion that make's her a part of the demon clan. So she can't be one since we know the sins are of different races. It's the people who believed Lucifer to be Merlin father that's what It says on Wikipedia.

Yeah the people but it's not actually him.She can be a hybrid,a cambion is half demon half human remember?It could be like Escanor who is human and Ban is a former human. And we can't discuss this till the chapter is out, but there is another case like that.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Yeah the people but it's not actually him.She can be a hybrid,a cambion is half demon half human remember?It could be like Escanor who is human and Ban is a former human. And we can't discuss this till the chapter is out, but there is another case like that.

I think we can safely say after this chapter Merlin won't be a part of the demon clan. Having 3 demon in the sins will be overkill.

 

[Beatrice]

It's all in the name.
Nakaba hasn't connected her with "Morning Star" for no reason. That's literally translating to the fallen rebel angel Lucifer.

Fallen Goddess and we have all 5 major clans together in the sins.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I think we can safely say after this chapter Merlin won't be a part of the demon clan. Having 3 demon in the sins will be overkill.

Yeah prolly, but even then the rule was already broken with Mel and Gowther both being demons.So it prolly doesn't change much, and like I said hybrid isn't the same thing as full demon.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Yeah prolly, but even then the rule was already broken with Mel and Gowther both being demons.So it prolly doesn't change much, and like I said hybrid isn't the same thing as full demon.

Still even being a hybrid that would makes 3 Sins connected to demon tribe. That's too much imo considering the Sins is most diverse group in this manga.