Discussion Mihawk's Power Level

[Kaiten]

Other than being former rivals, why do you think Shanks and Mihawk are comparable? There last fight was over ten years ago, before Shanks lost his arm. Comparing Mihwak to Whitebeard seems downright heretical, to me, running counter to everything the manga said about Newgate.

 

[Schabrak]

Don't mistake me with DutchPhoenix, she's the one who threw that stuff about WB into the discussion. There was/is an equilibrium between the Yonkou, with Shanks, an emperor being a rival to Mihawk, who also hold the position of Zoro's ultimate goal and to whom Oda indicated a succession from the Dark King himself in the StrongWorld one shot. But that's a topic for the Luffy/Zorro thread and has been discussed in there far too often already.

 

[Kaiten]

Mihawk's rivalry with Shanks carries the same significance as Newgate's rivalry with Roger. Newgate was strong enough to fight Roger to a draw. It would be ridiculous to take that to mean he was as strong as the Pirate King. His rivalry with Shanks does not establish Mihwak as Shanks equal, or equal to any of the other Yonkou. It establishes him as a formidable pirate, reinforcing what we saw at Baratie, and making his epithet as "World's Greatest Swordsman" more than just empty words. Yonkou and Admiral are not power levels. One Piece is not Bleach. Could Mihawk fight Big Mom or Kaido, one on one, and win? I don't know. There is nothing in the manga that makes me think there is an answer to that question. Yes, no, and maybe are all equally incorrect.

 

[Schabrak]

It establishes him as someone who can fight admirals and probably emperors, but doesn't give a fuck about reigning large territories.

But Newgate was as strong or nearly as strong as the Pirate King, Oda made a huge point of WB never having the same goals as Gol, so they wouldn't get in each others way aside from a couple skirmishes.

making his epithet as "World's Greatest Swordsman" more than just empty words.

And Edward had to fight in the war to establish himself as the worlds strongest man? He did not, the marineford war was a show off of some power houses, which wouldn't be able to have as much panel time later on.

Of course they aren't power levels, but we know that all of them are near end game character, who have reached the highest form of their "careers", who are clearly established fighters with the power to back themself up against other monsters.

 

[kkck]

Well, to be fair we do have little to go on about regarding how shanks and WB would compare. All we know is that shanks had a brief skirmish with WB however that actually says little about how they would ultimately compare if they were to fight to a draw. A yonko is not a yonko just because of strength, a yonko is a pirate that has influence over territory thanks to a vast amount of subordinates which follow them. A yonko does not have to be as strong as WB or even comparable for that matter, he just needs to get people to follow him. Strength is a given to get that but not necessarily the defining factor. For all we know shanks didn't even win his little skirmish with WB or mihawk would be able to do the same.

 

[Ninomiya]

A yonko does not have to be as strong as WB or even comparable for that matter, he just needs to get people to follow him.

Do you think someone outside of the World Govt or not a Shichibukai can really do this without having insane power?
Like... Really own a whole bunch of villages/cities/towns?

I think that's the whole point behind these ranks such as Admiral/Yonkou etc.
It'd be foolish to think that they don't indicate a minimum level of immense power. Whilst there is nothing to prove all Yonkou's are equal, there must obviously be a minimum level of power they have to be to able to monopolize areas across the world.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

buggy is a feared warlord

 

[M3J]

buggy is a feared warlord

Where did you get that from? As far as I recall, no one was even remotely scared of Buggy whenever we saw him. It seems the only reason why he's a shichibukai is because of the powerful former prisoners that joined Buggy's crew, whose power would be troublesome for the Marines. As far as we see and know, Mihawk is a lone man.

 

[kkck]

As far as we know people are scared shitless of buggy. Well, strong people aren't necessarily like that however in the vast majority of cases his name alone willl be enough to intimidate a decent number of pirates. As far as we know he has a decent number of level 4 and 5 prisoners following him. Even if someone challenges him odds are they have to get past them first. Its not necessarily an easy task.

I am not saying a yonko does not have to be powerful, I am just saying he does not have to be as strong as WB or an admiral. They key here is gathering powerful followers, not being individually that strong.

 

[M3J]

Could you provide links? Because I don't remember anyone not part of his crew respecting or fearing him much. The only reason why he's feared now is because of his crew, the amount of powerful prisoners that joined him. Whitebeard and Sengoku said it themselves, which is why Whitebeard wanted Buggy to join his side.

True. Though we can determine Shanks is pretty strong, if Mihawk didn't hold back. All we know is that Mihawk is allegedly the greatest swordsman who became a shichibukai. He also seems to have no crew, yet he's traveling by himself and willing to slice ships in half and piss off people. He's also probably the only one who took out Zoro at full health effortlessly. Mihawk is likely pretty powerful, probably near Shanks or an admiral's strength.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

yes i agree, shanks is nearly as powerfull as mihawk, thats why hes younko, but not strongest swordsman.

 

[vagabond87]

Other than being former rivals, why do you think Shanks and Mihawk are comparable? There last fight was over ten years ago, before Shanks lost his arm. Comparing Mihwak to Whitebeard seems downright heretical, to me, running counter to everything the manga said about Newgate.

Why?

Whitebeard and Mihawk would have quite a nice fight if they fought one on one during Marineford.
WB wasnt at his prime and Mihawk was at his best for what we know. They should be around same strength with Whitebeard being more of a big gun at his prime, but he was not at his prime during war as we all know.

Luffy is set to be Pirate King and Zoro is aiming to be world greatest swordsman. Those two titles does not have big gap between when it comes to combat power of people who are entiteled like that. Its worth to be thought through instead of calling this comparing as something heretical.

 

[MBVC]

As far as we know people are scared shitless of buggy. Well, strong people aren't necessarily like that however in the vast majority of cases his name alone willl be enough to intimidate a decent number of pirates. As far as we know he has a decent number of level 4 and 5 prisoners following him. Even if someone challenges him odds are they have to get past them first. Its not necessarily an easy task.

I am not saying a yonko does not have to be powerful, I am just saying he does not have to be as strong as WB or an admiral. They key here is gathering powerful followers, not being individually that strong.

Well, Cavendish can erase most of them without any problem. The moral story: Buggy is feared by weak pirates, it he encounters someone like Kid, Law etc... then his lifespan will be shorten.

 

[nfinitfx]

Would say Mihawk is weaker than Akainu, but stronger than Purple Tiger, and Don Flamingo, and on the same level as Aokiji

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buggy is a feared warlord

Buggy is the warlord the marines needs but not the one it deserves

 

[Ninomiya]

buggy is a feared warlord

Wasn't even relevant to my point of Yonkou though. Let alone an accurate statement.

 

[M3J]

Wasn't even relevant to my point of Yonkou though. Let alone an accurate statement.

It is an accurate statement, though. Buggy's crew is the reason why he's feared, but he's feared. Whitebeard and Sengoku acknowledged this. While they have no respect for Buggy, they certainly were wary of the freed prisoners that Whitebeard extended a hand.


If Mihawk does not have a crew at all, it'd actually say a lot about his power.

 

[Kaiten]

If Mihawk does not have a crew at all, it'd actually say a lot about his power.

Or it could just say something about his personality. Maybe he is a loner.

 

[M3J]

Most likely so, but I'm talking about his power. is there any shichibukai, apart from possibly Kuma, who are as powerful as they are seemingly without a crew? Jinbei, Crocodile, Doflamingo, Buggy, Boa, Law, Blackbeard, Ace, and Moria all have or had their crew. Kuma and Mihawk are the only ones who haven't been seen with a crew, yet they became shichibukai.

 

[Josef]

Most likely so, but I'm talking about his power. is there any shichibukai, apart from possibly Kuma, who are as powerful as they are seemingly without a crew? Jinbei, Crocodile, Doflamingo, Buggy, Boa, Law, Blackbeard, Ace, and Moria all have or had their crew. Kuma and Mihawk are the only ones who haven't been seen with a crew, yet they became shichibukai.

We did not see DDs crew until his own arc, plus Kuma was a revolutionary so they are his "crew", but he might have some sort of crew here and there. Mihawk can also have a crew ... we just have not seem them as the central antagonists I think. But then again the status of the crew and Shichi is not actually solved in OP.

 

[RichardMNixon]

They key here is gathering powerful followers, not being individually that strong.

So when Shanks attacked Kaido and his army of Zoan users, he did ok for himself because Beckmann, Roux, and Yasopp can take on Kaido?
Yes, a Yonkou's crew is important and part of why the WG fears them, but it takes more than a strong crew to attack Kaido and come out in one piece. Do you think Mihawk can go 1v1 with Kaido?

Most likely so, but I'm talking about his power. is there any shichibukai, apart from possibly Kuma, who are as powerful as they are seemingly without a crew? Jinbei, Crocodile, Doflamingo, Buggy, Boa, Law, Blackbeard, Ace, and Moria all have or had their crew. Kuma and Mihawk are the only ones who haven't been seen with a crew, yet they became shichibukai.

Jinbei may have had a crew at one point, but it doesn't seem like he did as a Shichibukai. More importantly, when they were called to Marineford, it was them called for, not their crews. Boa and Doflamingo fought alone. The WG wants them, pardoning their crew is just a perk of the job. Buggy getting the bat for his crew is the exception, not the norm.