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Re: [Shoujo] Nana by Yazawa Ai
well sleepycat, here's what i think.
all this time I really thought that Takumi's feelings for Reira are more of a brotherly, possessive type. like he has to be responsible for her, if something goes wrong it's gonna be his fault, etc. etc. because he took her, showed her the possibilities, showed her the dream that she's living now, and he can't leave her because of that. However, Takumi doesn't see Reira as a woman, but as a child that he has reared, or a sister, or a doll that he has created to perfection. That was why, when he decided to "take her sadness away" and volunteered himself to ease her loneliness, he seemed like he was committing something incestuous.
From there it's really clear how different he looks at Reira vs Hachi. On the other hand, he views Hachi as a woman with a strong sense of beliefs, and believes in herself (as opposed to Reira who is constantly insecure). There are qualities of Hachi that Takumi has gone to admire over time, like Hachi taking responsibility of her baby and not blaming him about it, again, as opposed to the time when he impregnated someone for the first time, and he was asked to take responsibility for everything. (see my post above)
I think that Takumi cannot leave Trapnest, or that business, that's why we see the future shots and he's still in London, and can't stop working. And this is because it's his life, all along, and it's his passion, that he cannot trade for the comforts of a stable family life, no matter how much he loves his children. He has put way too much burden on his shoulders that to put it down would no longer be comfortable for him. Or so he thinks. We'll see if he's able to do that in the epilogue.
RE: 2nd child,
good point, lil Ren hasn't been shown to communicate with Hachi yet, and it does leave the suspense. I open my mind on that, but it will most probably be Hachi's son that she was carrying during the time of Ren's death. It is also the reason why Reira wants to hate the kid and "destroy him" for being Hachi and Takumi's child. Remember when she said she wanted to destroy everything dear to Takumi? Most likely she said that out of bitterness, because she could never be loved by Takumi the way he loves Hachi or his kids. Sure, Reira may be no. 1, most important figure in his heart, but he doesn't see her as a woman the way he loves Hachi.
well sleepycat, here's what i think.
all this time I really thought that Takumi's feelings for Reira are more of a brotherly, possessive type. like he has to be responsible for her, if something goes wrong it's gonna be his fault, etc. etc. because he took her, showed her the possibilities, showed her the dream that she's living now, and he can't leave her because of that. However, Takumi doesn't see Reira as a woman, but as a child that he has reared, or a sister, or a doll that he has created to perfection. That was why, when he decided to "take her sadness away" and volunteered himself to ease her loneliness, he seemed like he was committing something incestuous.
From there it's really clear how different he looks at Reira vs Hachi. On the other hand, he views Hachi as a woman with a strong sense of beliefs, and believes in herself (as opposed to Reira who is constantly insecure). There are qualities of Hachi that Takumi has gone to admire over time, like Hachi taking responsibility of her baby and not blaming him about it, again, as opposed to the time when he impregnated someone for the first time, and he was asked to take responsibility for everything. (see my post above)
I think that Takumi cannot leave Trapnest, or that business, that's why we see the future shots and he's still in London, and can't stop working. And this is because it's his life, all along, and it's his passion, that he cannot trade for the comforts of a stable family life, no matter how much he loves his children. He has put way too much burden on his shoulders that to put it down would no longer be comfortable for him. Or so he thinks. We'll see if he's able to do that in the epilogue.
RE: 2nd child,
good point, lil Ren hasn't been shown to communicate with Hachi yet, and it does leave the suspense. I open my mind on that, but it will most probably be Hachi's son that she was carrying during the time of Ren's death. It is also the reason why Reira wants to hate the kid and "destroy him" for being Hachi and Takumi's child. Remember when she said she wanted to destroy everything dear to Takumi? Most likely she said that out of bitterness, because she could never be loved by Takumi the way he loves Hachi or his kids. Sure, Reira may be no. 1, most important figure in his heart, but he doesn't see her as a woman the way he loves Hachi.
Really enjoyed hearing all the different views!!
You made some great points. When you talk about when there is lust, can love be between them. I am sure that is a very important theme. In defense of Takumi & Hachi, I think love did develop. . When he said to Hachi, you are the one I truly love, do you think that was a lie?
if we don't see him as the doting father that he is in the future chapters, this simply means that he doesn't love hachi at all, but when his kid gets born he changes perspective.
Maybe they should order out for Thai.
if they want to make a live-action that much, they should just turn it into a drama series instead of movie sequels.