Shoujo Nana by Ai Yazawa

[lalamesilly]

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omg the wait was sooo long ^0^. But I have a feeling I'm going to be very upset with the new chapter...

 

[svart_lotus]

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Its that time again, the first 20 pages of nana 74 is out at celestial delinquent! Cant write more, reading

 

[baboysai]

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Hallelujiah!

*goes to CD's page*

Thanks for the heads up, svart!

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Actually, it's complete.

http://celestial-delinquent.com/

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wow. what did you guys think of that chapter??

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so like... it's confirmed, the boy's name is ren. It's not sure but I'm going for the theory that he's Takumi and Hachi's boy, younger than satsuki, I guess. Because Hachi said she'd been looking for a flower to name the kids, and she'd name it most likely after ren if she couldn't find another flower. Besides, I don't think Reira would name the kid ren.

I strike that "younger than satsuki" part because satsuki did say "nii-san". Perhaps he's older than satsuki then, and was actually born first. Am I right that Hachi hasn't had another ultrasound yet and that she doesn't know the sex of the current baby in her belly?

Which is quite positive that at least, Hachi and Takumi still love each other to the point of having a second child.

The mystery here is why the kid ren doesn't wanna go back to Japan. (He's adorable, btw, and doubly so when he hugged Takumi and said his dad was being bullied. Kawaaaaiii! ) And I'm not too sure if Takumi meant sleeping with Reira as the sacrifice.

I think something will happen in Nana O.'s birthday. And I'm kinda leaning on the theory that Ren Honjou is probably dead in the future So Hachi wasn't asking Takumi about him in London, but was actually asking about the other Ren, her son.

It's actually quite confusing, I have to read it again, I think.

 

[Satsuki]

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I TOTALLY agree with you.

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I'm thinking it's also possible for Ren to be Satsuki's twin. They look the same age. I don't know if Hachi's at the point yet where twins would show up on an ultrasound, but it's possible. And even though Satsuki called him "nii-san" in Japan they always note who was born first, even in twins. So if you have a twin but was born second you call your twin "futago (twin) no ane/ani."

I am like 90% convinced that Ren is Hachi's kid though. Going back through all the "future" chapters, it all makes sense. Still a slight possibility that it's Reira's kid, but I doubt it. I don't think Ren would call her by her first name if she was his mother. (unless she is and Hachi just took him to raise, but I doubt that too).

But yeah, if this is true then I'm thinking original Ren must really be dead. Likely of a drug overdose if the story continues in the direction it's going.

 

[Nami]

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Baboysai & Satsuki....

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And I'm not too sure if Takumi meant sleeping with Reira as the sacrifice.

I intepreted the sacrifice as in, in order to save Trapnest, he even sacrifice being with Hachi, by sleeping with Reira, and now he's suffering the retribution, meaning that he and hachi is separated because of this, possible?

@ Satsuki, yes, i'm agreeing with you, i'm beginning to wonder maybe the real Ren is dead as Reira seems to be talking to a dead person, and she's even tearing while 'recollecting of the past'

And, twins - Satsuki & Ren? Though Ren looks kind of older than Satsuki, maybe that's why Satsuki is no longer called Sachiko as wanted by Takumi

 

[baboysai]

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Nami!

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Well, it was kinda explained why the daughter was called Satsuki instead because Ren named her that way. Sigh. I thought it was a big deal and it turned out as simple as that. >.>

If Takumi refers to sleeping with Reira to keep trapnest and destroy his marriage as the sacrifice, then that's a good note for him- in the sense that it means he's not happy that his marriage turned out that way just because of work. Then it means he must still think highly of Hachi. The sad part about his attitude is that he seems to have given up in putting the family back together, because he thinks he should suffer. And that's just so sad! I hope he realizes that he shouldn't suffer forever or something. And get back with Hachi because they need each other *stab in the heart*

I hope that next chapter, it will be revealed why little Ren doesn't wanna go back to Japan. I mean, doesn't he miss his mom? And takumi loves his children, it's adorable! I'm still praying that deep inside he's hoping to bring his family together because that's what he truly wanted (opposite from what he's experienced).

 

[lalamesilly]

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booyaya! Little Ren is not Reira's kid! Reason being... Little Ren is older than Satsuki (proven when Hachi asked Satsuki is the chocolate for your older brother?). If it was Reira's the child has to be younger than Satsuki.

One theory thats been going around is that something happened to Ren and little Ren was named Ren because of that. It's sweet to see that Takumi is a loving father. And it's nice that he regrets what he has done to Hachi and his family. All because of work...

Reira-something is wrong with this girl. She's been pampered too much. And she doesnt have that strength, that need to move on like both Nana's do.

Hachi being a loyal person she is, is endlessly waiting for nana to return. I think this really is the main reason why she's not going to London. However I do think something happened... I mean in order for Hachi to think about divorce, I think one of the things that may have happened is (maybe)
-She finds out about Reira and Takumi affair
Thats all I could think of at this moment...

I hope Ren didn't pass away... Since Naoki is waiting for the day for Trapnest to reunite, maybe Ren is still fine??? Cuz for Trapnest to rise again, it's gonna need Ren.

As for how lil Ren acts towards about going to Japan... I think that's just him and his personality. He might just like the UK better than Japan, there might be no hidden meaning.

Takumi obviously wants the family to be together. During the past time I thought it was a relief when Takumi says basically my world would be hell if Hachi leaves me. Because this reinforces that Takumi does really love Hachi. And he prob. still does in the future. We already know that Hachi fell in love with Takumi and still is to this day.

So as for a TakumixHachi fan its a relief. Because now it doesn't look like they are going to get a divorce. Considering Takumi is Ai Yazawa's favorite character... Most likely it will be a happy/content ending for him and his family.

I don't mind NobuxHachi but unfortunately I think that ship has sailed. Its a low possibility that may happen again. It's not impossible but the probability is too low.

lil Ren is like a male version of Hachi with a Takumi attitude, while Satsuki is a female version of Takumi with the sweet personality of Hachi. Its so cute
^0^

 

[baboysai]

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But lalamesilly,

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if the only reason for the divorce is Reira and Takumi's affair, in the future when Junko suggested the divorce, that was about 7 years ago. Surely Hachi has forgiven him if that was the case?

My take is that, Takumi might have continually "comforted" Reira, as in like, for years. Wow. >.>

Your point on Ren being alive though is also a possibility because of what Naoki suggested. Hmm, it's all confusing now because, well, would Takumi allow his kid to be named Ren if the other Ren were still alive?

Nana O. and Ren are drifting farther and farther apart. And this depresses Nana even more, knowing that she and Ren want different things. Ren wants to have a family, and she doesn't, that's why she was disgusted when she was talking with Hachi about Ren naming the kid.

Anyway, I just realized something. Could it be that Ren decided to leave Trapnest to finally be with Nana? shocking! Is that what will drive Nana away though? And do you guys have any speculation about Nana's sister?

And question, the last frame was Nana in London, right? So is she finally going home??

 

[Satsuki]

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Can I just give a little shout out love to Naoki here? He is like the one sane member of Trapnest.

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@lalamesilly: Again, I think it's possible for Ren and Satsuki to be twins. Because if Ren was technically born first Satsuki would still call him "nii-san" as per the Japanese tradition.

@baboysai: Ugh, I hope Takumi doesn't take that affair into several years. I will say though that these recent events have really made me loose faith in Reira. You say you're lonely, Reira? Well guess what? WE'RE ALL LONELY AT POINTS IN OUR LIVES. Get over it.

I have doubts that Ren left to be with Nana, given Nana's seemingly complete and utter depression. It is possible that Ren is alive if Naoki is calling for a reunion, but remember that Trapnest existed for a while even before Ren, so Naoki may just want to regroup and get a new guitarist like they had in the past.

I think Nana's sister will probably in some way force a meeting between Nana and her mother, which will probably have very negative psychological affects on Nana, given how ruthless her mother is.

And yes, the last frame is Nana in England (we're not sure it's London), but when she was talking about the plane ticket she was lamenting how she could never actually go through with it.

 

[admirenkiwi]

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aww crap man =/
gotta catch up on nana too...but did nana ever end yet?
if it did i think i was already done...
seemed like the end

and cant help notice these are all females posting

 

[lalamesilly]

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Baboysai what I meant was the Reira thing was maybe one of the reasons why or part of the reason not necessarily the only reason. And if that "thing/comfort" did happen for a couple of years I would be pretty pissed, but at the same time ok because I know it will be over soon enough (no matter how many years it takes ToT).

But now I am very excited and can't wait for the next chapter ^0^

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oh and the last frame... I personally think Nana IS going back to Tokyo... But at the same time a couple of chapters before it was mentioned that Hachi herself will go to England to look for Nana. Wouldnt that be so crazy if they ended up in different places?

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oh and the last frame... I personally think Nana IS going back to Tokyo... But at the same time a couple of chapters before it was mentioned that Hachi herself will go to England to look for Nana. Wouldnt that be so crazy if they ended up in different places?

 

[baboysai]

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oh and the last frame... I personally think Nana IS going back to Tokyo... But at the same time a couple of chapters before it was mentioned that Hachi herself will go to England to look for Nana. Wouldnt that be so crazy if they ended up in different places?

If that happens I'd be pissed.

I personally think that won't happen though as it would drag the story too long, and it's a stupid mistake. You know when that happens in the movies? I get irritated at scenes like that.

I hope they meet in Tokyo. But if that happens, Hachi has to stay with her, and Takumi and Hachi will still be apart.

Does anybody have any theory why Takumi is still in England though? Is it to be with Reira? So why is Reira still being a b*tch and trying to hate everything Takumi treasures when Takumi has already left his family to keep her company?

Why is Reira in England too?

I still can't get over the fact that Ren is leaving trapnest to be with Nana.

 

[svart_lotus]

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Guess i have to post some thoughts.

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sacrifice... well, there are lots of things that could happen there. Takumi will do anything for Trapnest, so there might be lots of small things, but i think it might happen something like this.
1. Ren wants to leav Trapnest to be with Nana.
2. Takumi finds a way to keep Ren in Trapnest.
3. The Media publish more "Scandals" about Blast and that in turn reflects badly on Trapnest.
4. Takumi does what he can to save Trapnest, cutting connections between Blast and Trapnest.
5. Ai finaly renames the manga to the more fitting name "Takumi".
6. Ren offs himself. OD sounds unlikely, he should know his dosage and most people that OD are inexperienced users.
7. Nana is crushed and flees. Everyone blames Takumi, thats usually the way it goes.
8. Trapnest splits up, Takumi gets a job for the company in UK. Reira cant be in a room by her self for more then 2 min, so she runs after Takumi.

Not sure i belive this my self, but it could happen, we will have to wait and see.
About the kid Ren, i still think he looks a litle to much like Shin... had a though a couple of hours ago: What if it turns out that Hachis first child is Shins? Laughed my ass of
On another note, someone here said something about Hachi crying and that it meant something sad had happend... well, i have yet to find a chapter Hachi doesent cry in... she could be in a spanish soap

 

[baboysai]

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5. Ai finaly renames the manga to the more fitting name "Takumi".

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Just a thought:

when Hachi finds out about Takumi and Reira, and Hachi gets to see Reira face to face, what do you think both women will do? Boy that's interesting. I mean, I really love to see Reira embarrassed for stealing a husband, LOL. But Hachi's so soft-hearted I doubt she'd do anything harsh. She'd probably just stand there.

 

[svart_lotus]

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Hmm... think Hachi cries and Reira runs away... then everything goes back to normal Starting to hate Reira... she is the type of girl that cant do anything for her self and i do normaly dislike that, but for some reasson i also fall for that... damn im weak

 

[lalamesilly]

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Hmm... think Hachi cries and Reira runs away... then everything goes back to normal Starting to hate Reira... she is the type of girl that cant do anything for her self and i do normaly dislike that, but for some reasson i also fall for that... damn im weak

You fall for dependent girls??? Unique taste. Usually all the guys I've dated want a girl thats not entirely independent but could fend for herself somewhat.

 

[death4578]

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Just read the last chapter, but i still don't understand what happened since all this future stuff arrived >.< So, can someone explain this to my poor male brain ? >.<

 

[baboysai]

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If you can scroll back a few posts, you can read our thoughts on the chapter, death-san.

additional thoughts, guys:

Someone suggested to me that Ren might also be Nobu's kid. Here's what I think:

There is about 2% chance that Ren is Nobu's kid. 100% Nobu used condoms, and we know condoms are about 97% effective. Also, If we consider that Ren is the first child, he was conceived even before Nobu and Hachi got together, right? And Hachi knows this. We may scroll way back when the gyne explains how many weeks old the fetus was in her belly. I can't remember for sure but I think it was discussed that time that the baby was indeed some few weeks already.

I also thought the twins theory was good until someone mentioned about the ultrasound too, where the gyne never mentioned having two fetuses, but only one. That, I think, totally debunks the twins theory. -_-

 

[svart_lotus]

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Doubt its Nobus child, even with the chance of a broken condom. If the condom broke they would have noticed it and even if it did it is still not a big chance that she would get pregnant (heard sowhere that the odds that the condom breaks and you get a girl pregnant is about 1 in 6 000 000).
About ultra sound (did some wikipedia), you can detect if you are pregnant after 4-6 weeks, you can also see if its twins then.
In short, think Nana might go on for a long while

 

[lalamesilly]

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If the kid is Nobu's child that would make things soo much more complicated, and NANA is twisted as it is I really don't think we need more of that.