Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[ninjabot]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Wrong. I said he could still intend to wipe out the VILLAGERS. He may intend to preserve Konoha according to his own definitions - which may or may not include keeping the people in the village alive or not. Previously he wanted to murder every man, woman, and child in the village. After the Kage pow-wow all he said is that he was going to preserve Itachi's sacrifice. He didn't make any specific statement about what that meant.

You know, being revealed as a liar isn't the biggest revelation that's gonna be made about you in this reply. The biggest revelation is that you knew what was gonna happen. You knew all I had to do to prove you were a liar is click on your name, go right over to "view forum posts", and then pick out the damning proof.
Even better, I don't have to read the entire thread to find your slip ups! The first sentence is at the beginning of every revealed post. It's like the mods deliberately set this up for people to be easily... "corrected".

Now, I can't do that for this particular claim because it only goes back for a certain amount of posts. But rest assured you're arguing semantics to make it seem like you said something other than what you actually said. I still have plenty to go on to prove you're a complete liar, so it's still fine.

See below!

No - you're making this up entirely. I've never made any such argument as you're claiming. I take you to prove that I ever did. Bee's first stabbings may have been eventually fatal attacks, and Sauske did nothing to block them - let alone any raiton channeling. The only attack that was blocked was Bee's singular 'finishing stroke', which Suigetsu actually blocked. Sauske didn't block it. He just added his raiton to it in order to prevent Bee from welding his way through the blade and killing Sauske as he lay on the ground. You're going to have to supply actual references if you are going to prove your claim that I ever said Captain Emo activiated his raiton by 'accident'. Regardless, the initlal blows could by themselves have been fatal in time without Karin around.

Uh - Sauske didn't "avoid" a fatal blow from Bee's swords. That's like saying someone who accidentally lands in a truck of pillows after falling out a 3 story building used his skills to "avoid" the pavement. Bee's swords didn't insta-kill him because they didn't hit the heart or brain - but they did hit vital organs and Sauske was dying.

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...8-Discussion?p=3151416&highlight=#post3151416 The link.

You also erroniously claimed that the only thing Sasuke did to defend against Bee's attack was put Raiton through Suigetsu's sword. You completely cut out the parts of the chapter you were afraid of having to adress. And you asked me to prove it happened:

Please provide the evidence that proves Sauske deliberately used Raiton to disrupt the path of the 6/7 swords that Bee impaled him with. Otherwise you're just making up complete bull.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/7 I will apologize for stating that Juugo said this, when it was actually Killerbee who said it. Ofcourse this is a different translation and he simply states that he "diffused the raiton with his body so it wasn't a fatal blow". In the original onemanga scan he clearly states he ran raition through his body to misdirect the path of the swords so they wouldn't hit his vitals.

So, not wrong. Not me at least. Diffusing raiton in your body is not the same thing as runnin Chidori through someone's sword. That's 1.

I believe I said he could go crazy. That's not the same thing as saying he WILL go crazy. And I maintain that we still haven't seen his final disposition yet in that regard. His decision to murder the Bijju is a checkmark in the "could still be crazy" category in my book. Regardless, you're trying to turn an argument about an opinion about his possible state of mind which was being argued conditionally as some sort of "right/wrong" argument. That's not what it was. It was an "this COULD happen" discussion.

Another blatant lie. http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...-Predictions?p=3384609&highlight=#post3384609

I even THANKED this post because I thought you'd learned to stop being obnoxious since you HAD to be tired of being proven wrong so often.. But it turns out you were just covering your bases before I could get a chance to rub the events of the chapter in your face.

]Welp - like Naruto I have to eat some crow. I was 100% convinced that after Harashima's flashback, Sauske would put on a rape face and shout, "UUOOOAAAH! I hate the village even more!!!"But - I was wrong.

That's 2.

This is another case where whatever muddled recollection of events exists in your head is not matched by actual reality. So imma gonna have to ask again for you to prove this by citation. Where did I ever say that Amaterasu comes from Susanoo? I've always maintained that his Amaterasu comes from the Sharingan. The only argument I've made along these lines that I can recall is that the Kagutsuchi from from his Susanoo because that's the only time we've ever seen them.

We've seen Sasuke use Kagutsuchi without Susanoo even being active, so that's wrong.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/632/19

As for your question of where you said Amaterasu comes from Susanoo?

All Sauske is doing is using Susanoo as an extension of his own chakra. It is no different than Naruto's Kurama cloak. It's a chakra envelope that acts as an extension of the jutsu caster's body. It can be shaped, molded, and used to create elemental shapes as if it was the shinobi's own body. That's why Naruto can create Mini Fuuton Rasenshuriken by shape molding entirely new little arms from his fingers. That is why Sauske can create Amaterasu flames in his Susanoo's ribs (or hands) even when his eyes are closed and he isn't looking. Derp.

You also tried to say he can cast Amaterasu on something he's NOT looking at. Lmao.

That's 3. THHHRREEEEEE.

So that's all of 'em save for the one I couldn't find, but know for a fact you said.

That's game.

 

[Bradhimself]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

You know, being revealed as a liar isn't the biggest revelation that's gonna be made about you in this reply. The biggest revelation is that you knew what was gonna happen. You knew all I had to do to prove you were a liar is click on your name, go right over to "view forum posts", and then pick out the damning proof.
Even better, I don't have to read the entire thread to find your slip ups! The first sentence is at the beginning of every revealed post. It's like the mods deliberately set this up for people to be easily... "corrected".

Now, I can't do that for this particular claim because it only goes back for a certain amount of posts. But rest assured you're arguing semantics to make it seem like you said something other than what you actually said. I still have plenty to go on to prove you're a complete liar, so it's still fine.

See below!







http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...8-Discussion?p=3151416&highlight=#post3151416 The link.

You also erroniously claimed that the only thing Sasuke did to defend against Bee's attack was put Raiton through Suigetsu's sword. You completely cut out the parts of the chapter you were afraid of having to adress. And you asked me to prove it happened:



http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/7 I will apologize for stating that Juugo said this, when it was actually Killerbee who said it. Ofcourse this is a different translation and he simply states that he "diffused the raiton with his body so it wasn't a fatal blow". In the original onemanga scan he clearly states he ran raition through his body to misdirect the path of the swords so they wouldn't hit his vitals.

So, not wrong. Not me at least. Diffusing raiton in your body is not the same thing as runnin Chidori through someone's sword. That's 1.



Another blatant lie. http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...-Predictions?p=3384609&highlight=#post3384609

I even THANKED this post because I thought you'd learned to stop being obnoxious since you HAD to be tired of being proven wrong so often.. But it turns out you were just covering your bases before I could get a chance to rub the events of the chapter in your face.



That's 2.



We've seen Sasuke use Kagutsuchi without Susanoo even being active, so that's wrong.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/632/19

As for your question of where you said Amaterasu comes from Susanoo?



You also tried to say he can cast Amaterasu on something he's NOT looking at. Lmao.

That's 3. THHHRREEEEEE.

So that's all of 'em save for the one I couldn't find, but know for a fact you said.

That's game.

Soo much work, no reward. You're not going to make him eat his words. Because he is still right because he says so.

Dude can cast Izanagi on himself and come out new haha.

But on the topic of Amaterasu comes from Susano'o, I always thought that they were separate, and the flames coming off Susano'o were chakra not Amaterasu.

 

[Exodi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

You know, being revealed as a liar isn't the biggest revelation that's gonna be made about you in this reply. The biggest revelation is that you knew what was gonna happen. You knew all I had to do to prove you were a liar is click on your name, go right over to "view forum posts", and then pick out the damning proof.
Even better, I don't have to read the entire thread to find your slip ups! The first sentence is at the beginning of every revealed post. It's like the mods deliberately set this up for people to be easily... "corrected".

Now, I can't do that for this particular claim because it only goes back for a certain amount of posts. But rest assured you're arguing semantics to make it seem like you said something other than what you actually said. I still have plenty to go on to prove you're a complete liar, so it's still fine.

See below!







http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...8-Discussion?p=3151416&highlight=#post3151416 The link.

You also erroniously claimed that the only thing Sasuke did to defend against Bee's attack was put Raiton through Suigetsu's sword. You completely cut out the parts of the chapter you were afraid of having to adress. And you asked me to prove it happened:



http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/7 I will apologize for stating that Juugo said this, when it was actually Killerbee who said it. Ofcourse this is a different translation and he simply states that he "diffused the raiton with his body so it wasn't a fatal blow". In the original onemanga scan he clearly states he ran raition through his body to misdirect the path of the swords so they wouldn't hit his vitals.

So, not wrong. Not me at least. Diffusing raiton in your body is not the same thing as runnin Chidori through someone's sword. That's 1.



Another blatant lie. http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...-Predictions?p=3384609&highlight=#post3384609

I even THANKED this post because I thought you'd learned to stop being obnoxious since you HAD to be tired of being proven wrong so often.. But it turns out you were just covering your bases before I could get a chance to rub the events of the chapter in your face.



That's 2.



We've seen Sasuke use Kagutsuchi without Susanoo even being active, so that's wrong.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/632/19

As for your question of where you said Amaterasu comes from Susanoo?



You also tried to say he can cast Amaterasu on something he's NOT looking at. Lmao.

That's 3. THHHRREEEEEE.

So that's all of 'em save for the one I couldn't find, but know for a fact you said.

That's game.

Pretty much my reactions after reading this.

 

[ninjabot]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

But on the topic of Amaterasu comes from Susano'o, I always thought that they were separate, and the flames coming off Susano'o were chakra not Amaterasu.

They are separate. The only time any form of Enton comes from Susanoo is when Susanoo is active and you actually see the flames come OUT of the orb within Susanoo's second right hand. So when Sasuke used Kagutsuchi to coat his Susanoo riblets against Raikage? That was him using the flames he hit a samurai with. He has to have access to the flames before using Enton OR use his eyes to focus on the area where he creates the Enton. Examples?

When he uses the Kagutsuchi slash he used to protect Sakura? The flames were on his actual sword and he creates a second sword FROM those flames (that's why you see a separate in the other hand). Another example?

When Sasuke and Naruto make an Enton Rasengan, Sasuke's eyes are focusing on the area at his hand, showing that he's manifesting the Amaterasu there.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

You know, being revealed as a liar isn't the biggest revelation that's gonna be made about you in this reply. The biggest revelation is that you knew what was gonna happen. You knew all I had to do to prove you were a liar is click on your name, go right over to "view forum posts", and then pick out the damning proof.
Even better, I don't have to read the entire thread to find your slip ups! The first sentence is at the beginning of every revealed post. It's like the mods deliberately set this up for people to be easily... "corrected".

Now, I can't do that for this particular claim because it only goes back for a certain amount of posts. But rest assured you're arguing semantics to make it seem like you said something other than what you actually said. I still have plenty to go on to prove you're a complete liar, so it's still fine.

See below!







http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...8-Discussion?p=3151416&highlight=#post3151416 The link.

You also erroniously claimed that the only thing Sasuke did to defend against Bee's attack was put Raiton through Suigetsu's sword. You completely cut out the parts of the chapter you were afraid of having to adress. And you asked me to prove it happened:



http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/7 I will apologize for stating that Juugo said this, when it was actually Killerbee who said it. Ofcourse this is a different translation and he simply states that he "diffused the raiton with his body so it wasn't a fatal blow". In the original onemanga scan he clearly states he ran raition through his body to misdirect the path of the swords so they wouldn't hit his vitals.

So, not wrong. Not me at least. Diffusing raiton in your body is not the same thing as runnin Chidori through someone's sword. That's 1.



Another blatant lie. http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showt...-Predictions?p=3384609&highlight=#post3384609

I even THANKED this post because I thought you'd learned to stop being obnoxious since you HAD to be tired of being proven wrong so often.. But it turns out you were just covering your bases before I could get a chance to rub the events of the chapter in your face.



That's 2.



We've seen Sasuke use Kagutsuchi without Susanoo even being active, so that's wrong.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/632/19

As for your question of where you said Amaterasu comes from Susanoo?



You also tried to say he can cast Amaterasu on something he's NOT looking at. Lmao.

That's 3. THHHRREEEEEE.

So that's all of 'em save for the one I couldn't find, but know for a fact you said.

That's game.

ninjabot is throwing haymakers!!!!

jesus i had no idea i missed out on all the fun yesterday!!!

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Soo much work, no reward. You're not going to make him eat his words. Because he is still right because he says so.

Dude can cast Izanagi on himself and come out new haha.

But on the topic of Amaterasu comes from Susano'o, I always thought that they were separate, and the flames coming off Susano'o were chakra not Amaterasu.

the only time ive seen the black flames of amaterasu coming off of susano'o was when the Kagutsuchi arrow is used, which i believe is an arrow coated in the black flames of amaterasu

 

[Invader]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

In Vegas on vacation but in brief...

Point 1: only translations I have ever seen say nothing about sauske using ration to save his life from the first stabbings. All bee says is sauske forced away the ration on the finishing blow. So far I see no reason to revise my original position. Seems to me you're cherry picking your translation to suit you interpretation which is common for you. You still lose this one. One for me.

Point 2: this is still a discussion where sauskes ultimate end is not known and I said could so often that even your selective cherry picking would see it. The fact that you ignore that is just more evidence of your desperation in failing to prove anything except what was already known. I had already said I thought captain emo would lose it after talking to the ages and was wrong on that point, but that he still could (there's that word again in case you missed it - and since you don't seem to understand it) do go crazy. The evidence he could still lose it was in his evil eye as he was about to muder the bijju. My original error was not in discussion.

Point 3: you have still given NO evidence that I ever said Amaterasu comes from susanoo. Point for me. You lose. Clear the fanboy out of you head before you try again or you'll just continue to embarrass yourself as usual. You lose again.

Game set and match. Invader wins again. As usual. But keep trying. It is amusing to watch your failures multiply as you seek to justify your mistakes and constant errors. You'd do better if you weren't such a blatant fan of captain emo that you allow yourself to believe in things that aren't ther in order to support your personal fantasies about him. So I guess you better check that dream journal you keep for some more of your imagined conversations because the ones that happened in real life keep proving you wrong. As usual. Repetitive, but you never seem to tire of it...

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

You also tried to say he can cast Amaterasu on something he's NOT looking at. Lmao.

Didn't Sasuke do something similar here?

He made Amaterasu emerge from the back of his Susano'o( blind spot).

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

He didn't cast it there,He moved the flames that were already cast made it into a shield.You can see C saying so.

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

That's not likely the case. The flames he casted previously struck the Samurai and were at least a few meters away from him. If the Anime is anything to go by, then the flame definitely appeared from the back of his Susano'o.

 

[Exodi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Point 1: only translations I have ever seen say nothing about sauske using ration to save his life from the first stabbings. All bee says is sauske forced away the ration on the finishing blow. So far I see no reason to revise my original position. Seems to me you're cherry picking your translation to suit you interpretation which is common for you. You still lose this one. One for me.

I just want to touch on this part here:

http://mangahelpers.com/t/torachan/releases/7593
http://mangahelpers.com/t/hisshouburaiken/releases/1145
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/723
http://mangahelpers.com/t/xophien/releases/2799
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/412/7
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/411/18

Based on the translations I linked, Bee says a lot more than "he forced away the raiton."
They all specifically mention his body. Running Raiton through it. Missing vital points. Not dying.

Though, I suppose that it seems it could go either way, really, if you don't read carefully enough. It's probably more likely that Bee is referring to Sasuke being stabbed by his 7 swords, since he mentions Karin healing him in the same sentence. Why would he do that if he wasn't referencing an attack already dealt to Sasuke, as opposed to the one you're claiming Bee is talking about, which actually didn't touch Sasuke? Also, most people don't live after being stabbed by a bunch of swords. Hence Bee's surprise.

Like I said, I suppose it's kind of, sort of maybe ambiguous?

Point 3: you have still given NO evidence that I ever said Amaterasu comes from susanoo. Point for me. You lose. Clear the fanboy out of you head before you try again or you'll just continue to embarrass yourself as usual. You lose again.

As far as that's concerned:

They are separate. The only time any form of Enton comes from Susanoo is when Susanoo is active and you actually see the flames come OUT of the orb within Susanoo's second right hand. So when Sasuke used Kagutsuchi to coat his Susanoo riblets against Raikage? That was him using the flames he hit a samurai with. He has to have access to the flames before using Enton OR use his eyes to focus on the area where he creates the Enton. Examples?

When he uses the Kagutsuchi slash he used to protect Sakura? The flames were on his actual sword and he creates a second sword FROM those flames (that's why you see a separate in the other hand). Another example?

When Sasuke and Naruto make an Enton Rasengan, Sasuke's eyes are focusing on the area at his hand, showing that he's manifesting the Amaterasu there.

@ninjabot:

There's no where in the same chapter that shows Sasuke using Amaterasu on his sword, not even in the panels before:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/632/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/632/18

Also, reading through Invader's posts, it seems that the general gist of his statements towards Amaterasu are:

1. Sasuke doesn't have to be focused on a target if he's using Amaterasu through Susanoo.
For example, Sasuke could possibly set Susanoo on black fire if he wanted to. He wouldn't necessarily have to look at the whole thing. Which he has sort of done:

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/14

2. Sasuke doesn't have to have his eyes open to use Amaterasu at a close range.

There's nothing that explicity states "Amaterasu comes from Susanoo". At least not that I could immediately find.

I both agree and disagre with his points, since the last times Sasuke used Amaterasu with just his eyes:

1. He helped make a flaming Rasenshuriken while looking directly at it
2. He spun around in a circle to surround himself and his brother with Amaterasu

But it's also clear he can make an Enton sword without focusing on his hand.

So, what's really happening here, is that Kishimoto Masashi is human and some of the stuff in this manga is inconsistent.

At the end of the day, guys, just have fun.

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

That's not likely the case. The flames he casted previously struck the Samurai and were at least a few meters away from him. If the Anime is anything to go by, then the flame definitely appeared from the back of his Susano'o.

Then why would C be thinking that he can control the flames? The control he is talking about is moving the flames that were already cast,Because he thinks this "Even changing their shape?!" after this "He can control the black flames?!"

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

He could have simply controlled the flames the instant they appeared out of his Susano'o. The flames that struck the Samurai remained there(as we later see Kankuro saving him from it). Here's the Anime adaption of that scene by the way.

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

He could have simply controlled the flames the instant they appeared out of his Susano'o. The flames that struck the Samurai remained there(as we later see Kankuro saving him from it). Here's the Anime adaption of that scene by the way.

You see,He had the word "Even" in his thoughts when he was thinking about Sasuke manipulating the flames into a definite shape,""Even changing their shape?!". Which means he witnessed something less impressive over Sasuke's control over the flames,That something would be moving the flames that he had already cast.The other translations imply the same thing.

Spoiler

cnet128's translation
Shii: (He can actually control those black flames?! Even using shape manipulation...!! // Is this boy even more skilled with the black flames than Itachi?)

HisshouBuraiKen's translation
Shii: He can control the black flames! And with shape manipulation?!

Nagumo's translation
[6] He's controlling the black flames!? Well enough that he can change its shape!!? / Does that mean he's even better at using the black flames than Itachi was?

Yes Kankuro did save that Samurai but you can see the difference in the volume of flames.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Yes,In the anime it looked like the flames just originated over his Susanoo and C's words are different too.But it's anime and the translations of the manga that we have here seem to mean something else.

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

The Anime uses the same original dialogue and their translation is usually more accurate. The difference in the volume is more or less because Kankuro split the armor( and as such, the flames as well) in several parts, so it looks less than it actually is. Would you honestly say that you believe Kishimoto would just ignore showing us Sasuke pulling some of the flames from the Samurai, bringing it quickly enough to where he is and using it to guard himself before the Raikage(who is, in a way, faster than Amaterasu) reaches him? I don't honestly see that as a possibility.

 

[Knight of Stalwart Heart]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Would you honestly say that you believe Kishimoto would just ignore showing us Sasuke pulling some of the flames from the Samurai, bringing it quickly enough to where he is and using it to guard himself before the Raikage(who is, in a way, faster than Amaterasu) reaches him? I don't honestly see that as a possibility.

I do think Kishimoto should've shown it if that is how it was,But he just chose using C to convey what has happened to the readers.That is how it is I think.And Iam not sure that Raikage's speed is quicker than moving Amaterasu.We see that Sasuke missed Raikage because he focused at Raikage's afterimage,Because he couldn't follow his movements.That doesn't necessarily mean that the speed with which Sasuke moves Amaterasu from one point to another is less than Raikage's speed.

 

[KingOfNight]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Well, if that's what you think, we'll just agree to disagree.

 

[Invader]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Well - I'm back from Vegas and have a little more sleep than just 2 hours between casino binges, and more technology than just a smartphone so hopefully this'll be a little more coherent and less shrill.

Point 1 (Killer Bee & Raiton Channeling): I don't have access to the website you are referencing, so the only source I can look at besides MangaPanda is the Shonen Jump DVD. How good their English subtitles are I have no idea, but I am presuming they are at least as legitimate as the English version of the manga itself. The DVD subtitle has Bee saying, "He funneled the the Lightning Style through his body and shifted the course of my attack (singular). He avoided fatal injury..." Whether this comment is in regards to the first 7 swords or the 8th sword is the issue in question. I will allow that it is possible that he is referring to the 1st 7 attacks rather than the last 8th attack. That seems unlikely to me because (A) that was 7 attacks not one 'attack' and (B) there was not one single appearance of Raiton in any of the frames where he was being stabbed by those 7 swords. It is far more likely that he is referring to the 8th attack (a single one) where there IS art of Sauske channeling Raiton to stop a fatal attack. I maintain that I'm correct on this point, but I will allow that there is enough ambiguity there for your interpretation to be POSSIBLE - however unlikely that seems. So in this case, since there is no real solution, it'll have to be 0/0.

Point 2 (Sauske 'COULD'...): As is common, you appear to be mixing different points of a discussion and muddling them together in order to come to an incorrect conclusion. The sequence is as follows...
1. Discussion before the Hokage pow-wow is done where I postulate Sauske will go "WOOOOAAH! I HATE THE VILLAGE MORE THAN EVER!"
2. Pow-wow ends. Sasuke does not immediately go crazy. I admit that I was wrong. Discussion moves on.
3. At FUTURE point discussion comes up where I say Sauske still COULD want to kill the villagers and/or do something bad/evil/crazy.
4. You equate #3 as still somehow being a statement taking place before point #2.

This is where you often either (A) grossly err in a discussion or possibly (B) deliberately misstate the point. I assume it is (A) because I try to never ascribe to human malice that which can more easily be explained by human incompetence. Regardless, the outcome is the same. After #2 event has passed, and the discussion has moved on to a hypothetical "Sauske still COULD..." set of potentials and maybes - you are still stuck back on #2 harping on a point that everyone else has passed by a long time ago. All I can say here is that you need to get the intellectual lead out of your pants and get up to speed with everyone else. I'd already said I was wrong on point #2. That's the one time I really got Captain Emo wrong and I said that. You're trying to use that point as some sort of justification on other points that have not yet come to a conclusion. Did you see that horse? No? Maybe that's because you beat it to death a long time ago.

Point 3: (Susanoo & Amaterasu): I really can't say anything here because at no point in time have you ever proven that I ever at any time stated that "Amaterasu 'comes from' Susanoo". None of your citations ever proved your case. The only point in time I ever said anything 'comes from' Susanoo was in talking about the Kagutsuchi. This discussion is only tangentally related to Captain Emo in the sense that he's one of the three people that have shown the ability to fire Kagutsuchi. At the time this discussion took place, there was no instance of any Kagutsuchi ever having been used without a Susanoo also being present. But - as your link above shows - Sauske definitely did use a Kagatsuchi (Enton no less), and there is no Susanoo anywhere to be seen. So this one is a tie of 1/1 (you're wrong about Susanoo/Amaterasu, but were right about the Kagatsuchi).

On a parenthetical note, you have a terrible habit of miscasting what people say - particularly long after the discussion has ended & moved on. For example, you made the blatantly false statement that I said, "Sauske channeled chidori by accident". That's just plain factually wrong. I'd like to think you are simply so grossly mis-understanding that discussion that it is merely an embarrassingly stupid mistake rather than a deliberate falsification but only you know that for sure. Regardless, I never said any such thing. All I ever said was that "That's like saying someone who accidentally lands in a truck of pillows after falling out a 3 story building used his skills to "avoid" the pavement". You may not be aware, but there are these things called "metaphors" which are implied comparisons using "like" or "as", and when someone is using a metaphor it is not the same thing as saying "this literally IS" something.

It's like we are having a discussion and I say, "Sasuke is LIKE (hint!) a ball". And then a year later you say, "I'm right because Invader once said that Sauske IS a ball!" Uh - no - I didn't say that. That's just you making either an embarrassingly stupid mistake, or you deliberately wresting what was said to try to make a desperate point where none really exists. Similarly, I never said, "Sauske channeled chidori by accident!" Nope - you're the only one who ever said that. All I said was that on those first 7 swords, Sasuke didn't "avoid" them - he just "happened to survive" them - and that doing so didn't necessarily involve any skill on his part (see Point 1 above).

And lastly, you really need to quit with the "lurker ploy". It's a shallow and childish tactic. Discussions take place, and points go back and forth in a chapter review thread. Then the thread (essentially) closes and everyone moves on. Except you. You lurk around that thread and toss in a final point or two long after everyone has left and stopped caring. But simply because you go back and make a post that no one else sees (or cares about) you go around thinking that you're the Bee's Knees and somehow 'won'. No - you don't win. All that is happening in these cases is you are alone in an empty room talking to yourself. It like (HINT!) you're some guy that goes and buys himself a trophy and invents whole stories about how you 'won' the trophy, but really all you did was give it to yourself when no one was around. Or - to make a Naruto analogy - it is like you are casting a really lame version of Izanagi to create the illusion that you win an argument, but this version of Izanagi only affects yourself and has no effect on anyone else so you go around believing something that only exists in your head.

That's not a win. That's just a typical forum troll tactic. I'd hope you'd try to be better than that.

 

[ninjabot]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Didn't Sasuke do something similar here?

He didn't cast an Amaterasu, or else his eyes would've had to be looking in the direction the flames appeared. They appeared behind him, and he can't create flames somewhere where he's not looking.

What he did is used the flames he already had on the battlefield and with shape manipulation, coated his ribs.

There's no where in the same chapter that shows Sasuke using Amaterasu on his sword, not even in the panels before:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/632/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/632/18

It wasn't slowed into several panels, but he had to cast the Enton with his eyes first before wielding it. Remember the instantaneous nature of Amaterasu. We didn't see Madara get sniped in the back by it either, remember? One panel, one shot, instant flames.

1. Sasuke doesn't have to be focused on a target if he's using Amaterasu through Susanoo.
For example, Sasuke could possibly set Susanoo on black fire if he wanted to. He wouldn't necessarily have to look at the whole thing. Which he has sort of done:

He doesn't have to be focused if he's using it through Susanoo. But "using it through Susanoo is EXCLUSIVELY done through the Enton orb sitting in his second right hand. He can't just hulk up and make black flames erupt from his Susanoo's body. He can coat the body with his Enton, sure. Using the orb as a catalyst.

2. Sasuke doesn't have to have his eyes open to use Amaterasu at a close range.

There's nothing that explicity states "Amaterasu comes from Susanoo". At least not that I could immediately find.

He said it in the last sentence of the one I quoted for that particular reply. He said that using Enton through Susanoo is the same as Naruto creating Rasengan using his Kyuubi shroud. It ISN'T.

All Sauske is doing is using Susanoo as an extension of his own chakra. It is no different than Naruto's Kurama cloak. It's a chakra envelope that acts as an extension of the jutsu caster's body. It can be shaped, molded, and used to create elemental shapes as if it was the shinobi's own body. That's why Naruto can create Mini Fuuton Rasenshuriken by shape molding entirely new little arms from his fingers. That is why Sauske can create Amaterasu flames in his Susanoo's ribs (or hands) even when his eyes are closed and he isn't looking. Derp.

At the end of the day, guys, just have fun.

I'm TOTALLY having fun, lol.

Would you honestly say that you believe Kishimoto would just ignore showing us Sasuke pulling some of the flames from the Samurai, bringing it quickly enough to where he is and using it to guard himself before the Raikage(who is, in a way, faster than Amaterasu) reaches him?

Again, don't forget how quickly Amaterasu is cast. Now imagine it's already sitting on the battlefield somewhere, cutting casting time down even more.

@Invader: So that's it? Insults? Not even gonna try to disprove the actual quotes?

*shrugs* I've done my duty. Everyone here knows what kind of poster you are now. You managed to hide it behind a veil of Sasuke hatred for a while, and no one cared because, after all, it was (still is) COOL to hate Sasuke. But now...? Good luck being taken seriously by anyone here, ever again.

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Genuine question: what's wrong with killing the bijuu, beings who are mass of chakra that can regenerate at any time? Naruto's way was absolutely stupid, and the proof is undeniable. Instead of choosing to "kill" the bijuu, who could be regenerated over time, Naruto basically gave Tobi and later Madara tremendous amount of power. How anyone can complain about Sasuke's way is beyond me, and it shows either bias or lack of rationality.

Sasuke's way: kill bijuu, stop or delay evil guys' plan. No more danger.

Naruto's way: spare the bijuu, gave evil guys a chance to achieve their plans, tremendous danger where both Naruto and Sasuke almost died, but were saved only to fight an infinitely powerful being.

 

[Roman]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.13 <3

Genuine question: what's wrong with killing the bijuu, beings who are mass of chakra that can regenerate at any time? Naruto's way was absolutely stupid, and the proof is undeniable. Instead of choosing to "kill" the bijuu, who could be regenerated over time, Naruto basically gave Tobi and later Madara tremendous amount of power. How anyone can complain about Sasuke's way is beyond me, and it shows either bias or lack of rationality.

Sasuke's way: kill bijuu, stop or delay evil guys' plan. No more danger.

Naruto's way: spare the bijuu, gave evil guys a chance to achieve their plans, tremendous danger where both Naruto and Sasuke almost died, but were saved only to fight an infinitely powerful being.

If a being has conscious and emotion, how can you kill it? It's as simple as that. Will you kill a stray dog just because it doesn't have home?

Killing the Bijuu won't stop bad guys from coming. You don't eliminate means to do the chaos, you eliminate the reasoning to actually do it at all.