Now that we know that Natsu and the other DS came from 400 years that could be Natsu as END.
Also, we know that Acnologia once faced or at least met END since Igneel mentioned that Acnologia feared END. So that would explain why Acnologia hasn't recognized Natsu the times they met because Natsu once had a Etherious form.
Or he simply didn't seem to care enough to remember his face. They met once, and Acnologia simply flew over Tenroujima and nuked it. That whole fight didn't happen in manga, he simply came and dropped a Roar on their asses, then left.
Or he simply didn't seem to care enough to remember his face. They met once, and Acnologia simply flew over Tenroujima and nuked it. That whole fight didn't happen in manga, he simply came and dropped a Roar on their asses, then left.
He did land, he trashed Makarov and they came back to spam spells at his body, but he simply took off and nuked them. There was no triple roar that knocked him into the water, he simply came, destroyed the island, raped Makarov, nuked, left. No time to look at their faces, and even if he did he'd have forgotten it in 8 years
The Tartarus demons were obsessed with cancelling all magic by detonating Face. Perhaps having NO magic on the continent, is a trigger to release/invoke END's Flame Demon Form. I have a feeling that "Fairy Heart", although different in purpose and function, might also be a trigger to invoking END. I know that Fairy Heart is an endless supply/source of magic, but what if the consequences thereof are 1. Awakening END, 2. Loss of every mage's magic abilities. The only way that Fairy Heart can be deactivated is if an outcome is decided between which new element will exist; Curse (END) or Magic (Natsu). Somehow, I have no idea how (without magic), Natsu will have to Defeat END. Zeref seemed adamant that Mavis knew the consequences of activating "Fairy Heart", almost as if the consequences would be too dire for all concerned.
I'll try not to get too off-topic, but Zeref might not completely know all there is about Fairy Heart. I think he knows some information from Obra via Ivan, and Zeref is also a genius himself - he might have figured out what Mavis is. However there is a chance he might not know something about it. Precht and Mavis are probably the ones I would say have the most knowledge of FH.
If you guys remember, there was a magician that canceled other's magic power at Phantom Lord Arc. He defeated Makarov by emptying his magic power. Scene where FT invaded their guild he atacked Natsu and tried to empty his magic power too. At somepoint scene changed and some kind of green light seen in Natsu's eyes but that guy stopped by Erza and he couldnt finish what he started and couldnt nullified Natsu's magic. And what Mard geer tried to is almost exactyl same but with larger effect. What if his magic power is the one stopping E.N.D. and from what i see, White dragneel is gonna be the one who is gonna relase Natsu by taking his Magic/Soul from him in somepoint.
I don't think END from 400 years ago was anywhere near Acnologia's level. When Natsu pointed out that if he was END then Igneel could have crushed him with a toe, Zeref admitted that Igneel could have killed END but the only reason he didn't was because Igneel loved him. If END is a separate entity/split persona from Natsu, then I wouldn't put him above Igneel's level. Mard Geer may have hinted that Acnologia feared END, but Acnologia himself has denied that claim. Acnologia wasn't even scared of Igneel, and Igneel actually managed to take out one of Acnologia's arm. He's not afraid of Zeref, or any of the Spriggans either. I doubt there is anything that Acnologia is truly scared of.
Leaving MardGeer, the fact that the whole continent's magic had to be exhausted in order to just revive END is an indication in itself which shows he might be near to ACNOLOGIA's level.And , it was hinted that END was the one who almost killed IGNEEL 400 years ago....The only demon he could not defeat.And one other question , Why was he sealed back again?
Looking parallely, Natsu is alive due to ZEREF's magic.So, what the hell level of magic might ZEREF possess? NATSU lives his own life , has his own magic .....But , the source of his life are 2 things
1) THE BOOK OF END
2) ZEREF's MAGIC POWER.
IF END has his power of magic absorption, then including ACNOLOGIA & ZEREF , everyone will be in trouble as each & every sources of powers is magic itself. DS, DeS everything requires magic.
Mard Geer and Igneel, it wasn't just Mard Geer, Acnologia denying it is nothing short of bravado, you've seen how he reacts when he's confronted with the thought of something being stronger than him...when Eileen mentioned that Zeref could become more powerful with Fairy Heart, Acnologia perked up and denied the claim....Acnologia denying E.N.D is a threat to him might be nothing more than a brave front..
That being said though, if Invel managed to get the best of Gray and Juvia this early, this means that Fairy Heart will definitely be completely extracted by Eileen...I'm not sure how that would bode for Mavis since she'll be left with a magicless body
I don't think END from 400 years ago was anywhere near Acnologia's level. When Natsu pointed out that if he was END then Igneel could have crushed him with a toe, Zeref admitted that Igneel could have killed END but the only reason he didn't was because Igneel loved him. If END is a separate entity/split persona from Natsu, then I wouldn't put him above Igneel's level. Mard Geer may have hinted that Acnologia feared END, but Acnologia himself has denied that claim. Acnologia wasn't even scared of Igneel, and Igneel actually managed to take out one of Acnologia's arm. He's not afraid of Zeref, or any of the Spriggans either. I doubt there is anything that Acnologia is truly scared of.
Actually I think that END from "400 years ago" was not really "active"?
Remember that Natsu was in Zeref's care before he started training with Igneel.
While writing this I invented a new theory.
Hallelujah labi is the best xD
It was stated that 400 years ago the Ethernano wasn't big enough and the Dragons were weak.
But that REALLY contradicts with the Dragon war. I mean if there were so much Dragons... Dragons (with a magical container as big as idk what) and they had a war there would be almost no ethernano in the air then that war would've been impossible.
Do you think that maybe the sealing of END took the Ethernano out of the air? I mean wouldn't it make sense? Actually it would cuz i think that would explain why the entire magic of Ishgar/Fiore would have to be taken away for END's revival.
As i wanted to say before but i didn't get to it cuz of my fabolous theory xD:
Maybe at that time they didn't call Natsu "Natsu" but END?
I mean something like "when their plan was in motion and there wasn't much Ethernano in the air END was already sealed.
That would explain why Igneel couldn't kill Natsu cuz he loved him.
I mean if he met Natsu as" END" then and there he wouldn't have loved him from first sight lol. He wouldn't have hesistated to kill him while knowing of his true nature. That means he knew Natsu wouldn't be or become a treat cuz his memories were sealed.
Leaving MardGeer, the fact that the whole continent's magic had to be exhausted in order to just revive END is an indication in itself which shows he might be near to ACNOLOGIA's level.And , it was hinted that END was the one who almost killed IGNEEL 400 years ago....The only demon he could not defeat.And one other question , Why was he sealed back again?
Looking parallely, Natsu is alive due to ZEREF's magic.So, what the hell level of magic might ZEREF possess? NATSU lives his own life , has his own magic .....But , the source of his life are 2 things
1) THE BOOK OF END
2) ZEREF's MAGIC POWER.
IF END has his power of magic absorption, then including ACNOLOGIA & ZEREF , everyone will be in trouble as each & every sources of powers is magic itself. DS, DeS everything requires magic.
They had to wipe out all magic from the continent to break the seal. That means the seal is really powerful, not necessarily END. Acnologia was the one who stole Igneel's soul and left him in a half dead state, not END.
Mard Geer and Igneel, it wasn't just Mard Geer, Acnologia denying it is nothing short of bravado, you've seen how he reacts when he's confronted with the thought of something being stronger than him...when Eileen mentioned that Zeref could become more powerful with Fairy Heart, Acnologia perked up and denied the claim....Acnologia denying E.N.D is a threat to him might be nothing more than a brave front..
That being said though, if Invel managed to get the best of Gray and Juvia this early, this means that Fairy Heart will definitely be completely extracted by Eileen...I'm not sure how that would bode for Mavis since she'll be left with a magicless body
It's would only be bravado if it's a simple bluff and Acnologia isn't willing to fight. Again, Igneel managed to tear off one of Acnologia's arms and Acnologia still wasn't afraid. It's one thing to say that Acnologia is bluffing, but we know that in Rogue's future he went ahead and conquered the world.
END.
If you are competent enough and do a little maths about the "END couldn't be killed by Igneel 400 years ago" thing you would see that Natsu was small at that time. END or not, in the state of a child he couldn't be much of a threat. I honestly believe the END hype EVEN FROM ZEREFS WORDS.
Is just a "he may be so strong" I mean for me otherwise it doesn't make sense...
Natsu was a child. How could Zeref have known END's power? Enlighten me please if you have anything that proves me wrong cuz i don't remember anything.
And it honestly was never claimed how strong END was. I think at least..
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Zeref said END was his strongest Demon.
Igneel said Acnologia feared END.
Do you think those could've just been assumptions? I mean otherwise I really am brainfucked and FT time doesn't make sense anymore..
They had to wipe out all magic from the continent to break the seal. That means the seal is really powerful, not necessarily END. Acnologia was the one who stole Igneel's soul and left him in a half dead state, not END.
No , it was never stated that ACNOLOGIA defeated IGNEEL . And , IGNEEL was the only dragon alive ...Metallicana mentioned "EVEN IGNEEL WAS NOT ABLE TO DEFEAT ACNOLOGIA. Though Igneel was only possessing power of his half dead state. We have successfully prevented the resurrection of END" during Tartaros arc. The other dragons had their soul extracted from their bodies by ACNO not IGNEEL.
AND ,l it is just a common thinking that you only apply strong seal so as to seal something which is strong so that it cannot appear or escape that....AND, during the SUN VILLAGE arc & TArtaros arc , it was mentioned that IGNEEL was not able to defeat the demon END. So, it can be said he left him in a half dead state before getting sealed.
It's would only be bravado if it's a simple bluff and Acnologia isn't willing to fight. Again, Igneel managed to tear off one of Acnologia's arms and Acnologia still wasn't afraid. It's one thing to say that Acnologia is bluffing, but we know that in Rogue's future he went ahead and conquered the world.
Sorry , but ACNOLOGIA was forced to run away before he can harm any humans. ISN't running away the sign that he had been injured & was forced to regress leaving his usual habit of DESTRUCTION?
No , it was never stated that ACNOLOGIA defeated IGNEEL . And , IGNEEL was the only dragon alive ...Metallicana mentioned "EVEN IGNEEL WAS NOT ABLE TO DEFEAT ACNOLOGIA. Though Igneel was only possessing power of his half dead state. We have successfully prevented the resurrection of END" during Tartaros arc. The other dragons had their soul extracted from their bodies by ACNO not IGNEEL.
AND ,l it is just a common thinking that you only apply strong seal so as to seal something which is strong so that it cannot appear or escape that....AND, during the SUN VILLAGE arc & TArtaros arc , it was mentioned that IGNEEL was not able to defeat the demon END. So, it can be said he left him in a half dead state before getting sealed.
Acnologia was the one who stole the souls from all the parent dragons, including Igneel. That's why they needed to seal themselves inside the dragon slayers. Strictly speaking you can say that Acnologia beat Igneel twice. Once when he extracted Igneel's soul 400 years ago, causing him to weaken. Once again when he killed him during Tartarus.
END was never mentioned to be involved in harming Igneel in any way. All that was said was that Igneel couldn't kill him. The reason for that was elaborated on by Zeref later on. Zeref says here that there was no physical reason why Igneel couldn't kill END, and that the only reason he didn't was because he loved Natsu. This was in response to Natsu claiming that Igneel could have crushed him with a big toe if he was END.
Sorry , but ACNOLOGIA was forced to run away before he can harm any humans. ISN't running away the sign that he had been injured & was forced to regress leaving his usual habit of DESTRUCTION?
Acnologia was the one who stole the souls from all the parent dragons, including Igneel. That's why they needed to seal themselves inside the dragon slayers. Strictly speaking you can say that Acnologia beat Igneel twice. Once when he extracted Igneel's soul 400 years ago, causing him to weaken. Once again when he killed him during Tartarus.
END was never mentioned to be involved in harming Igneel in any way. All that was said was that Igneel couldn't kill him. The reason for that was elaborated on by Zeref later on. Zeref says here that there was no physical reason why Igneel couldn't kill END, and that the only reason he didn't was because he loved Natsu. This was in response to Natsu claiming that Igneel could have crushed him with a big toe if he was END.
Exactly , METALLICANA states HALF- DEAD state.......for IGNEEL....
And, Grandeney says "WE died a long time ago" which is applicable to other dragons excluding IGNEEL. And, "EVEN IGNEEL COULDN'T DEFEAT ACNOLOGIA WAS STATED for their current fight....Even Igneel stated "I had been waiting to fight u ACNOLOGIA for the predaciment u brought on the dragons 400 years ago.......I will defeat ACNOLOGIA myself." "
Do refer SUN VILLAGE & TARTAROS ARC where ATLAS FLAME & ZEREF both had stated that IGNEEL was not able to defeat END.
When do u retreat ? Means he was afraid for the moment & his injury as u already stated.
Exactly , METALLICANA states HALF- DEAD state.......for IGNEEL....
And, Grandeney says "WE died a long time ago" which is applicable to other dragons excluding IGNEEL. And, "EVEN IGNEEL COULDN'T DEFEAT ACNOLOGIA WAS STATED for their current fight....Even Igneel stated "I had been waiting to fight u ACNOLOGIA for the predaciment u brought on the dragons 400 years ago.......I will defeat ACNOLOGIA myself." "
Do refer SUN VILLAGE & TARTAROS ARC where ATLAS FLAME & ZEREF both had stated that IGNEEL eas not able to defeat END.
The official translations doesn't refer to Igneel as half dead, but it doesn't even matter. Weisslogia says that it's half-true to say that they died. This implies that they are half-dead. Grandeeney also goes on to say that another reason to hide inside the dragon slayers was to extend their lives. Obviously the parent dragons were not fully dead. They were in the exact same boat as Igneel was. Their souls was extracted by Acnologia's dragon slaying magic, and so they needed to seal themselves in the dragon slayers to prolong their lives.
Natsu heard that Igneel couldn't destroy END from Atlas Flame. Atlas never specified why. Zeref revealed that Igneel was perfectly capable of physically killing END, but didn't do so because he loved Natsu. This was Zeref's answer to why Igneel couldn't kill END. He didn't say that Igneel couldn't kill END because END was too strong. In fact, there was no physical reason Igneel couldn't kill END. He just couldn't bring himself to kill Natsu out of love.
Actually I think that END from "400 years ago" was not really "active"?
Remember that Natsu was in Zeref's care before he started training with Igneel.
While writing this I invented a new theory.
Hallelujah labi is the best xD
It was stated that 400 years ago the Ethernano wasn't big enough and the Dragons were weak.
But that REALLY contradicts with the Dragon war. I mean if there were so much Dragons... Dragons (with a magical container as big as idk what) and they had a war there would be almost no ethernano in the air then that war would've been impossible.
Do you think that maybe the sealing of END took the Ethernano out of the air? I mean wouldn't it make sense? Actually it would cuz i think that would explain why the entire magic of Ishgar/Fiore would have to be taken away for END's revival.
As i wanted to say before but i didn't get to it cuz of my fabolous theory xD:
Maybe at that time they didn't call Natsu "Natsu" but END?
I mean something like "when their plan was in motion and there wasn't much Ethernano in the air END was already sealed.
That would explain why Igneel couldn't kill Natsu cuz he loved him.
I mean if he met Natsu as" END" then and there he wouldn't have loved him from first sight lol. He wouldn't have hesistated to kill him while knowing of his true nature. That means he knew Natsu wouldn't be or become a treat cuz his memories were sealed.
Well, like you said, Natsu would have been a kid back then. I have my doubts that END in any form was really "active" 400 years ago. If he was, he probably wasn't on Acnologia's level. Otherwise, Zeref wouldn't have decided it was better for Igneel to train Natsu to become strong enough to kill him. He could have just asked evil kid Natsu to do it.
I don't think having a low concentration of ethernano 400 years ago contradicts what we know about the dragon civil war. If anything, having a bunch of dragons flying around could explain why the ethernano concentration was thinning out. All magic users replenish their magical containers by absorbing ethernano from the atmosphere. If you had a bunch of dragons exhausting themselves and then taking the ethernano out of the atmosphere, it stands to reason that the ethernnao would deplete. Ethernano is a resource. If there are more powerful mages running around, there would be less in the atmosphere to go around.
Sealing END might also have taken a lot of ethernano, sure.
