Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[dark123]

Nobody said Gray will 1v1 E.N.D and come out victorious. We're just saying with Gray will probably be the one to defeat E.N.D with the help of others. If you don't think so, then we'll just leave it as that. It is a matter of opinion and we shouldn't state these predictions as a fact.



You are wrong when you say you cannot defeat a being that is stronger than you. There are too many factors to name such as the level of intelligence of each character which Erza and Gray has proved in their fights many time and the condition of the battle like the terrain/place, distance, etc. You may or may not be able to 1v1 them. That depends on which exact battle we are talking about like Acnologia vs Natsu, Zeref vs Gray, Ankhseram vs Gildarts. Those are unrealistic and Natsu, Gray, along with Gildarts will lose. However, a weaker person can surely beat someone that is stronger than them otherwise, each fight would be too predictable.

You can bit someone stronger than you but we are talking about difference in power like between human and god. Or wait hmm Human is too much i think. There is difference in power like between god and bug. Acnologia can destroy whole country and real power of Natsu is supposed to be even greater so who has right?

 

[Brandish μ]

END is inferior to Acnologia. Zeref sent END/Natsu to Igneel so that he could learn dragon slayer magic, so that Acnologia can be beaten. END with fire curse power is not enough. That is how I believe it went down - speculation just like most things 400 years before the series.

 

[DemonKing888]

END, Acnologia, and Zered should be a trinity of powerful beings that exceed anything any other character can do. To just say someone could fight or go one on one with any of these three is just pure fanboyism.

 

[Holt]

END, Acnologia, and Zered should be a trinity of powerful beings that exceed anything any other character can do. To just say someone could fight or go one on one with any of these three is just pure fanboyism.

Igneel already went toe to toe with acnologia and even took an arm from him. That was a half dead Igneel btw.

 

[DemonKing888]

Igneel already went toe to toe with acnologia and even took an arm from him. That was a half dead Igneel btw.

But Igneel was a dragon that could kill another dragon, name a human mage that could kill a dragon other then acnologia.

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Also Igneel Is dead. No other living being at this point should be able to kill Zeref, END, or Acnologia other then eachother.

 

[Holt]

But Igneel was a dragon that could kill another dragon, name a human mage that could kill a dragon other then acnologia.

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Also Igneel Is dead. No other living being at this point should be able to kill Zeref, END, or Acnologia other then eachother.

Dragon slayers in the past could kill dragons. There's the possibility of one or two dragon slayers being able to reach that level as well.

 

[DemonKing888]

Yes while Gajeel and Laxus should be at the level that's needed to kill a dragon, I don't see them being Acnologia level, nor could they kill END or Zeref. Which need special magic to defeat them.

 

[dark123]

Dragon slayers in the past could kill dragons. There's the possibility of one or two dragon slayers being able to reach that level as well.

Only one dragon slayer was able to kill dragons and that was Acnologia He was only one who bathed in their blood.

 

[DemonKing888]

Only one dragon slayer was able to kill dragons and that was Acnologia He was only one who bathed in their blood.

No other dragonslayers killed dragons in the dragon war but Acnologia killed them all, which shows his power.

 

[MangerDan]

Reread what zirconis said, acnologia wasn't the only one that could kill dragons there were several dragon slayers that could. He just went overboard with it and decided to kill every single dragon no matter what.

 

[Arjuna]

Nobody said Gray will 1v1 E.N.D and come out victorious. We're just saying with Gray will probably be the one to defeat E.N.D with the help of others. If you don't think so, then we'll just leave it as that. It is a matter of opinion and we shouldn't state these predictions as a fact.



You are wrong when you say you cannot defeat a being that is stronger than you. There are too many factors to name such as the level of intelligence of each character which Erza and Gray has proved in their fights many time and the condition of the battle like the terrain/place, distance, etc. You may or may not be able to 1v1 them. That depends on which exact battle we are talking about like Acnologia vs Natsu, Zeref vs Gray, Ankhseram vs Gildarts. Those are unrealistic and Natsu, Gray, along with Gildarts will lose. However, a weaker person can surely beat someone that is stronger than them otherwise, each fight would be too predictable.

Yes you may be right it will be a Fairytail VS Master END fight until Lucy awakens him.

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END is inferior to Acnologia. Zeref sent END/Natsu to Igneel so that he could learn dragon slayer magic, so that Acnologia can be beaten. END with fire curse power is not enough. That is how I believe it went down - speculation just like most things 400 years before the series.

We really don't know Master END's true power.Only instances we got were
1.Acnologia coming to destroy Master END before his revival It was said that Acnologia was afraid of Master END.
2.The Mural of DKF which shows Master END fighting Acnologia on equal terms.

 

[dark123]

Everything what was told about END in tartaros arc had been changed in Zeref's flashbacks. In flashbacks it was clearly confirmed that END is just Natsu. END was created after tartaros demons and he had form of a child. Whats more he was confined in his cocon so he couldnt create tartaros and curses. For me everything what was said about him was bullshit. Zeref simply let Igneel to raise him and teach him dragon slaying magic. Also as Natsu grows up his power also grows up until he awaken his etherious power and then he will be able to defeat whole evil. END is evil? He is not because he was child and he was created in one purpose to devour whole darkness.

 

[DemonKing888]

Everything what was told about END in tartaros arc had been changed in Zeref's flashbacks. In flashbacks it was clearly confirmed that END is just Natsu. END was created after tartaros demons and he had form of a child. Whats more he was confined in his cocon so he couldnt create tartaros and curses. For me everything what was said about him was bullshit. Zeref simply let Igneel to raise him and teach him dragon slaying magic. Also as Natsu grows up his power also grows up until he awaken his etherious power and then he will be able to defeat whole evil. END is evil? He is not because he was child and he was created in one purpose to devour whole darkness.

Atlas Flame remember an battle between Igneel and END, Zeref said Igneel couldn't kill END, and the Dragon King Festival shows Natsu fighting Acnologia as a grown adult. Acnologia came for the Book of END in the tartaros arc.

It couldn't be farfetched to believe that END the strongest demon could round up all the other failed demons, teach them Cruse Magic and start a revolution that caused the DKF to happen.

Just because Natsu was the last demon to be made doesn't mean he couldn't still be guildmaster and teach the older demons how to use their hidden abilities. Also look at Mard Geers personality, would he really think highly of a weak child, he looked down on all the other Demons but let he admire END, there is a reason for that.

 

[dark123]

Atlas Flame remember an battle between Igneel and END, Zeref said Igneel couldn't kill END, and the Dragon King Festival shows Natsu fighting Acnologia as a grown adult. Acnologia came for the Book of END in the tartaros arc.

It couldn't be farfetched to believe that END the strongest demon could round up all the other failed demons, teach them Cruse Magic and start a revolution that caused the DKF to happen.

Just because Natsu was the last demon to be made doesn't mean he couldn't still be guildmaster and teach the older demons how to use their hidden abilities. Also look at Mard Geers personality, would he really think highly of a weak child, he looked down on all the other Demons but let he admire END, there is a reason for that.

Do you know what leneds are? Legends can be fake and author also can change story I told you Mshima changed story

 

[DemonKing888]

Do you know what leneds are? Legends can be fake and author also can change story I told you Mshima changed story

Why would an ancient painting of Natsu fighting Acnologia be made? Why would Atlas Flame know the name END? Why would Igneel fight END? Why would Zeref say Igneel couldn't or wouldn't kill END? Why would Acnologia be gunning down Natsu and Zeref everytime they're in proximity of each other?

This isn't made up characters who are 400 years old, know of a supernatural being called END, and the book of END was sealed long time ago by some force, making present day Natsu what he is today.

 

[kkck]

I got a weird idea about END. The point has been made that zeref created END. It might seem like semantics but isn't this perhaps a murky point at best? We know zeref originally had a little brother named natsu. Well, natsu is indeed supposed to be zeref's brother. So how exactly does this work? Is natsu zeref's actual little brother in an etherius body or is he an etherius that happens to look like zeref's brother?

Anyways, what if when zeref created natsu's body he also created something else? Or gave a body to something else? So he created the body for his little bro but alongside that he brought for something fundamentally malign, which is what came to be known as END.

Something else I just thought about, what if that something malign is also ankseram? Imagine ankseram as an old and ancient god who for whatever reason lost his body. So he wanders around in a diminished form looking for people who play with the concept of life and death or otherwise look to overcome it. And he does that with the sole purpose of manipulating those guys into making him a new body. And with END and zeref he finally succeeded in getting an immortal body made out of aether.

To further add to that, this would perhaps make sense with god slayers. God slayers are conclusive proof that at some point in the past beings called gods existed. So perhaps in the past there were gods that ruled upon the earth as such. Then came dragons and took over. Perhaps even dragons came up with god slayer magic. Then came humans and in turn used the dragon slaying magic they learned from dragons to take over dragons.

 

[MangerDan]

Wait didn't Natsu already have a body? Why would zeref have a need to make one for him. Plus zeref literally says that the current natsu is the etherious reincarnation of the old natsu.

 

[Arjuna]

I got a weird idea about END. The point has been made that zeref created END. It might seem like semantics but isn't this perhaps a murky point at best? We know zeref originally had a little brother named natsu. Well, natsu is indeed supposed to be zeref's brother. So how exactly does this work? Is natsu zeref's actual little brother in an etherius body or is he an etherius that happens to look like zeref's brother?

Anyways, what if when zeref created natsu's body he also created something else? Or gave a body to something else? So he created the body for his little bro but alongside that he brought for something fundamentally malign, which is what came to be known as END.

Something else I just thought about, what if that something malign is also ankseram? Imagine ankseram as an old and ancient god who for whatever reason lost his body. So he wanders around in a diminished form looking for people who play with the concept of life and death or otherwise look to overcome it. And he does that with the sole purpose of manipulating those guys into making him a new body. And with END and zeref he finally succeeded in getting an immortal body made out of aether.

To further add to that, this would perhaps make sense with god slayers. God slayers are conclusive proof that at some point in the past beings called gods existed. So perhaps in the past there were gods that ruled upon the earth as such. Then came dragons and took over. Perhaps even dragons came up with god slayer magic. Then came humans and in turn used the dragon slaying magic they learned from dragons to take over dragons.

I think Current Natsu is original Natsu and Master END is like Shadow possesing Rogue.Was it mentioned Gods lost to Dragons.God Slayer Magic is superior to Dragon Slaying Magic.Real God is stronger than Dragons.

 

[Dranzer]

I think Current Natsu is original Natsu and Master END is like Shadow possesing Rogue.Was it mentioned Gods lost to Dragons.God Slayer Magic is superior to Dragon Slaying Magic.Real God is stronger than Dragons.

Well judging from what the series has shown through the God Slayers vs Dragon Slayers, Dragon Slayers are superior, therefore Dragons are superior. We also saw Natsu one-shot a God, so I'm 100% sure that Dragons are much stronger than Gods.

 

[Holt]

Only one dragon slayer was able to kill dragons and that was Acnologia He was only one who bathed in their blood.

Nope, it's been specifically stated that dragon slayers could kill dragons in the past however, acnologia and a group of others were bloodthirsty Killers with acnologia being the worst of them in that he bathed in too much dragon blood.


And this was coming from a dragon who had participated or was alive during the war so it's authentic information.