Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[Stormsfury]

Nothing. Because he wont kill him. Just defeat.
And after it Zeref and Mavis find a island for live together and making Zervis frames.

That sounds like cancer. Zeref should die, the fact that Mavis is alive again pisses me off.

 

[GodOfDestruction]

Damn you guy's are right I totally forgot about that.

 

[Shasha23]

Yes

You clearly don't because if you did you wouldn't be saying #### like this!

 

[kemor]

Zeref: You are a demon of the Book of Zeref. Once you kill me, you will cease to exist as well.
Natsu: LIKE I GIVE A DAMN!

There you have it, your answer. Zeref will not be defeated by END, not unless Hiro is planning on killing Natsu.

 

[Hermit]

Not sure if this has been posted before or not, but I have a new headcanon on what exactly the Book of E.N.D may contain, bar the obvious demonic transformation some of the fandom is expecting. Realistically speaking, the Book should also contain Natsu's memories from 400 years ago.
Okay so you all remember the Tartaros Arc chapters, right? They all came in parts, starting from Volume 1: Immorality and Sinners and ending with the Magna Carta. Personally, I think each of these parts represents chapters in the Book of END as well. My personal take on it is:
Chapter 1: Immorality and Sinners- This is the section of the Book referring to E.N.D's birth. We all know E.N.D was born when Zeref resurrected his dead brother. In this case, 'Immorality' refers to Zeref breaking the rules of life and death and reviving someone who should have stayed dead, and his sin lies in the actual act of bringing Natsu back to life. Even his teachers at Mildian pointed out he did something he shouldn't have.

Spoiler: Zeref is cursed for toying with life and death

Spoiler: Zeref's Sin

Part 2 of Tartaros was called: The Song of the Sky Dragon, which I think refers to Wendy Marvell. From the moment Natsu and Wendy met, we were already shown that these 2 had a connection, as she was the only DS from the past who Natsu actually seemed to remember.

Spoiler: Natsu meets Wendy

Interestingly enough, Wendy is the only DS who Natsu hasn't fought first then made friends with them later (this is why I strongly believe that God Serena will come back in the latest arc and fight Natsu in a 1 on 1), but that's besides the point. We know from Grandeenay's conversation with Igneel that Natsu and Wendy knew each other in the past, so there was a chance that either both Wendy and Grandeenay could have assisted Igneel with the whole E.N.D ordeal.

Spoiler: Igneel and Grandeenay talk about Natsu and Wendy

That, coupled with the fact that Wendy has Sky Magic, which is an immediate counter to Natsu's Fire Dragon Slaying Magic, tells me that once Natsu awakens as END, aside from the obvious Gray vs E.N.D. We can have Wendy vs E.N.D. There's also this:

Spoiler: Wendy completely heals Natsu's scarf

I always felt the fact that Wendy could heal Natsu's scarf which was stained by life stealing magic was underrated a lot, so I think this will definitely come into play later on. Maybe she can purify Curse Power?
Chapter 3: The King of Hades
This part of course referred to E.N.D being referred to by Zeref as his greatest creation, and also by several other people in the series referring to him as the most powerful demon from Zeref's books. In the Tartaros Arc, we had Mard Geer act as a de facto King through leading Tartaros, but I strongly believe that this section of the Book of E.N.D is what holds E.N.D's abilities, and explains why Acnologia views him as a threat.

Spoiler: Atlas Flame talks about E.N.D

Spoiler: Cobra tells Mest about E.N.D

Spoiler: Silver reveals E.N.D's abilities

Chapter 4: Father and Son: This is the section of the Book that holds Natsu's memories from when Igneel fought him(?) and eventually managed to seal him away, effectively also sealing away his Curse Power.

Spoiler: Zeref tells Natsu about E.N.D

Spoiler: The truth behind Igneel vs E.N.D

Ironically enough, Igneel fought Natsu (E.N.D) 400 years ago, but in Tartaros, the two were fighting together against Mard Geer and Acnologia

Spoiler: Father-Son badassery

The fifth and final part of Tartaros was called Magna Carta, which are the events that unfolded after E.N.D was sealed away by Igneel. Natsu, now just a human devoid of any Curse Power, was taken by Igneel as his own son and he conceded to teach him Dragon Slaying Magic. This also applied to the other Dragon Slayers who were taken up by their foster dragons.

Spoiler: Igneel agreeing to teach Natsu Dragon Slaying Magic

Spoiler: Grandeenay talking about the Magna Carta

So, that was pretty much it, my long winded explanation on the Book of E.N.D, and how it relates to the Tartaros chapter segments. I think that once the actual Book opens, these events might play out again in a similar fashion as to 400 years ago...

 

[Ebony Maw]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but shouldn't Gray have found out about Natsu being E.N.D? His Devil Slaying Magic lets him tell if someone is a demon (going by wiki here) just by looking at them so shouldn't he have realized?

 

[GodOfDestruction]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but shouldn't Gray have found out about Natsu being E.N.D? His Devil Slaying Magic lets him tell if someone is a demon (going by wiki here) just by looking at them so shouldn't he have realized?

Well Natsu is E.N.D but he's not in E.N.D form so Gray wouldn't be able to tell.

 

[Static]

There's one problem with your post though Spriggy. You have no evidence to show that the names of the titles is related to END. Otherwise, I like your post though. We can only speculate on how the END plot line will go but all I hope for him is that he lives up to his hype or Tartaros would've been for nothing.

 

[THE ALMIGHTY CRYBABY]

There's one problem with your post though Spriggy. You have no evidence to show that the names of the titles is related to END. Otherwise, I like your post though. We can only speculate on how the END plot line will go but all I hope for him is that he lives up to his hype or Tartaros would've been for nothing.

I personally think that Zeref < E.N.D < Acnologia because Zeref stopped to create further etherious demons after E.N.D! He was praised many times by different people as the pinnacle creation of the demons of the books of Zeref. There must be also a reason why E.N.D didn't appear in the tartaros arc ( I guess, that he was too op back then )
But the question is why was E.N.D sealed again???

 

[reesestl]

I think that once the actual Book opens, these events might play out again in a similar fashion as to 400 years ago...

U mean that we will go back in time and that there would be containing the story if what happened in the past.
I like this theory. I think it's correct.
Seems like E.N.D was causing havoc using his power and Zeref was trying to reform him and when he failed to do so, Igneel took over. What I cant reconcile is whether END was a truant kid or a dangerous demon before Igneel took him in. Seems like both which is a bit weird. ANd zeref was he already a villain or still good. On one hand he was already inflicted by the Ankhseram curse causing ppl around him to die; on the other hand, Igneel considered him as a friend so he must not be that bad!
Also MArd Geer supposedly picked up the book and created the demons. Then how come Zeref sent hm back into the book!! He never belonged there to begin with.

 

[M3J]

If Natsu dies and END emerges his personality will disappear. The kind, childish and naive kid will turn into a killing machine. Zeref said Natsu was a demon when it comes to behaviour and he'd rather "act like a beast than learn to read and write". Hiro will probably do shit like "Natsu is dead, END appears and Lucy saves him with One Magic" but that'd be too cliche. I want END to be Natsu, but with more power and more bloodthirsty. By bloodthirsty i mean not afraid to kill his enemies. It'd be a nice memorial to all those years he spent with FT and Igneel.

I think the horrible personality would be temporary or short lived. There's a chance the good Natsu is powerful and has such strong bonds he overcomes the bad side of END and regains or keeps control of his body, at least for a while.

Would love to see him be more bloodthirsty regardless. Could actually make this manga a bit better than mediocre.

 

[Arjuna]

@BluePegasus I saw you making a comment so i thought this thread may be suitable for it.You said Natsu may die due to Bradman's MPB.But will that really be possible?Natsu is END and as an Etherious he may have MPB in his body like other Etherious Keith,Tempesta and Bradman.

 

[Hermit]

Natsu is END and as an Etherious he may have MPB in his body like other Etherious Keith,Tempesta and Bradman.

I doubt it, if that was simply the case then he would have survived Torafuzar's Sea of Hades, we already saw that Tempesta wasn't affected by it and he was at the very bottom of it and not afloat like Natsu, Gajeel, Juvia and Lucy...I still strongly believe that Natsu is in his human body and not in his Etherious/Demonic form

 

[Arjuna]

I doubt it, if that was simply the case then he would have survived Torafuzar's Sea of Hades, we already saw that Tempesta wasn't affected by it and he was at the very bottom of it and not afloat like Natsu, Gajeel, Juvia and Lucy...I still strongly believe that Natsu is in his human body and not in his Etherious/Demonic form

Not fully Demonic but surely he has some amount of Ether particles in his body because he was brought back to life from Hell's core using those particles.And those Ether particles keep him alive.And that is why he was one shotted by Silver.But when he turns into END he will be demonic.

 

[smn612]

The big has to do something to natsu if igneel told him not to open it before zeref took it. Maybe the only way to open it is for either natsu and zeref to open it not that all magic has to be banished. So it probably contains his power and was sealed there because something happen. It was stated igneel was not able to kill end. Maybe natsus power went crazy and igneel tried to kill him but could not bring himself to do it and both him and zeref decided to seal it in the book and just focus on him learning dragon slayer powers solely. Maybe even their original plan was to train natsu to get stronger to kill acgnogia but that failed because he could not control his power. And that is when they came up with the other plan to send the dragons layers to the future.


Also I wonder zeref said if he does natsu will as well wonder if all his magic will disappear as well like the dragon slayers will be sent back to their original time if zeref does.

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Also I think gray will fail in beating end since he won't be powerful enough. I think it will take the whole guild and maybe the power of one used by Lucy somehow.

 

[Hermit]

I think the reason that Natsu doesn't remember his life before dying, i.e his life with his family as Zeref's brother has something to do with Hell's Core and him being revived using demon particles.
I'll draw an example using Tempesta.
In his fight with Laxus, when he lost, he told him that he would kill himself.

Spoiler: Tempesta 'dies'

But in reality, we realized that he didn't die, but instead he was going to be revived in Hell's Core, this was a way of introducing us to Tartaros's revive system, which I think was the same one Zeref used to revive Natsu.

Spoiler: Tempesta's Revival

Spoiler: Natsu's Revival

Now, the interesting thing to note here, is that when Tempesta was revived, he had a new form, similar to Jackal who came back with a tail. Hint to Natsu's E.N.D form?

Spoiler: Tempesta's new form

Spoiler: Jackal's new form

Spoiler: Tempesta doesn't have his memories

It would be similar to Natsu not remembering that he was Zeref's brother, or that he died once and was revived.

Spoiler: Natsu doesn't believe what Zeref is telling him

So yup, there's my take on why Natsu doesn't remember his life when he was alive^^

 

[Tryndamere]

I think the reason that Natsu doesn't remember his life before dying, i.e his life with his family as Zeref's brother has something to do with Hell's Core and him being revived using demon particles.
I'll draw an example using Tempesta.
In his fight with Laxus, when he lost, he told him that he would kill himself.

Spoiler: Tempesta 'dies'

But in reality, we realized that he didn't die, but instead he was going to be revived in Hell's Core, this was a way of introducing us to Tartaros's revive system, which I think was the same one Zeref used to revive Natsu.

Spoiler: Tempesta's Revival

Spoiler: Natsu's Revival

Now, the interesting thing to note here, is that when Tempesta was revived, he had a new form, similar to Jackal who came back with a tail. Hint to Natsu's E.N.D form?

Spoiler: Tempesta's new form

Spoiler: Jackal's new form

Spoiler: Tempesta doesn't have his memories

It would be similar to Natsu not remembering that he was Zeref's brother, or that he died once and was revived.

Spoiler: Natsu doesn't believe what Zeref is telling him

So yup, there's my take on why Natsu doesn't remember his life when he was alive^^

Why Jackal can remember everything whilst Tempesta can't ? this theory won't work imo

 

[reesestl]

In the chapter where Natsu fights Jackal, Michello, the cat-like councilor whom they were protecting opines that Tartaros is after Face and "White Legacy", which he thinks should remain hidden. Now, Tartaros' whole purpose was to revive END and kill Zeref. So we know all about Face and how it could eliminate magic to revive END; but any thoughts about what is White Legacy and how is it connected to END? If it is related to White Magic, why would the Demons powered by curses look for it?
Btw, this was chapter 360 named " The White Legacy"

 

[GodOfDestruction]

Okay let's talk everybodies favorite pink haired dragon slayer.
Natsu has had some hardcore battles up until now. But nearly every person Natsu fights comes back. There has only been a few who came back and didn't fight FT or became heroes. Those are Gajeel,Laxus,Yuka,Toby, and Cobra.(Plus Erigor Except he was still bad)
Other people he have fought came back and attacked again.

Jellal- Came back in OS arc with villain intentions.
Sting-Came back and lost to FT
Rogue- Came back and lost to Gajeel
Hades-Killed by Zeref
Zero-Came back and was killed by Cobra
Jackal- Came back and was killed by Lucy
Zancrow- Killed by Zeref.

What I'm getting at is that Natsu hasn't had a real villain to say he has actually defeated and they stayed defeated. Some became heroes, some came back and were defeated by others.

Who do you think will be Natsu's true villain?

 

[kemor]

Well duh, Natsu doesn't kill. The only way to make someone stay defeated is to either kill him or permamently injure. Zeref might be the first person to die by Natsu's hand. Unless END kills a Spriggan for lulz, but I guess that doens't count